DulceLabs.com Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 This was posted in my Synthesizers FB Group and I'm sharing here for those that are interested in this sort of thing. I am assuming that Musician's Friend is rolled into the GC sales totals. http://oi61.tinypic.com/15x1kd3.jpg Note this is gross revenue, I think a chart showing net would tell a very different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ITGITC Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Note this is gross revenue, I think a chart showing net would tell a very different story. This doesn't surprise me. Sweetwater Sound is trending way up, while Sam Ash Music Corp. probably won't be around for too much longer. It'll come down to what it already is: go check out the keyboard at Guitar Center, then buy it from Sweetwater. Next. "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and that which cannot remain silent." - Victor Hugo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 It'll come down to what it already is: go check out the keyboard at Guitar Center, then buy it from Sweetwater. Next. Fixed for my location - GC never has anything I want to try. Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill H. Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Retailer 1 -- Guitar Center, Inc: $2,239,000,000 Retailers 2 through 10 combined: $1,416,000,000 If those figures are correct I'm quite surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzmammal Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I wonder what percentage of that is our pro level keyboards vs all the little DJ/EDM keyboard controllers. Bob Hammond SK1, Mojo 61, Kurzweil PC3, Korg Pa3x, Roland FA06, Band in a Box, Real Band, Studio One, too much stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Retailer 1 -- Guitar Center, Inc: $2,239,000,000 Retailers 2 through 10 combined: $1,416,000,000 If those figures are correct I'm quite surprised. I'm guessing Scott's assumption that Musician's Friend's numbers are in there with the GC figure is correct, along with GC's other holdings (i.e. Woodwind and Brasswind, Zzounds, etc). On top of guitarcenter.com, GC has something like 250+ brick and mortar stores - waaaaaay more than retailers 2-10 combined and then some - so that number isn't really that hard to understand. dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doerfler Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I wonder what percentage of that is our pro level keyboards vs all the little DJ/EDM keyboard controllers. Bob too low to calculate, probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allan_evett Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Note this is gross revenue, I think a chart showing net would tell a very different story. This doesn't surprise me. Sweetwater Sound is trending way up, while Sam Ash Music Corp. probably won't be around for too much longer. It'll come down to what it already is: go check out the keyboard at Guitar Center, then buy it from Sweetwater. Next. And I like Sweetwater as much as the next technoid. But in the interest of fairness, GC Pro just did a fantastic job for me - working through an involved quote for two, church PA systems; we just completed an order for the gear and contracted installation. Now if only the overall GC keyboard retail staff were as well-trained and experienced as GC Pro. But that hasn't appeared to be a high priority for the holding company, whomever it is at the moment.. 'Someday, we'll look back on these days and laugh; likely a maniacal laugh from our padded cells, but a laugh nonetheless' - Mr. Boffo. We need a barfing cat emoticon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bif_ Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I wonder what percentage of those sales are instruments with mini-keys. Kurzweil Forte, Yamaha Motif ES7, Muse Receptor 2 Pro Max, Neo Ventilator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mate stubb Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 GC keyboard sales broken down by category: 70% mini keys 10% plastic controllers with normal sized keys but crap feel 7% demo Fantoms with broken keys 5% Motif 8% no name store brand pianos (Williams, anyone?) Moe --- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Kraft is on an uptick. That is nice. They always took care of me. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEB Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Retailer 1 -- Guitar Center, Inc: $2,239,000,000 Retailers 2 through 10 combined: $1,416,000,000 If those figures are correct I'm quite surprised. I'm guessing Scott's assumption that Musician's Friend's numbers are in there with the GC figure is correct, along with GC's other holdings (i.e. Woodwind and Brasswind, Zzounds, etc). On top of guitarcenter.com, GC has something like 250+ brick and mortar stores - waaaaaay more than retailers 2-10 combined and then some - so that number isn't really that hard to understand. dB I wonder how big the Woodwind and Brasswind piece is of the gross. Two children of mine play music at the University level. One play Euphonium the other Bari Sax ........... keyboards are effing cheap. Nord Stage 2 pffft! Please. "It doesn't have to be difficult to be cool" - Mitch Towne "A great musician can bring tears to your eyes!!! So can a auto Mechanic." - Stokes Hunt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zxcvbnm098 Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 Interesting to note that Chicago Music Exchange has a big uptick (although still a small player). I have found myself using Reverb a lot more lately, and I know they are behind that web site. So much better of a user experience than eBay..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Martin Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 I'm guessing Scott's assumption that Musician's Friend's numbers are in there with the GC figure is correct, along with GC's other holdings (i.e. Woodwind and Brasswind, Zzounds, etc). dB zZounds is not part of GC, they're part of American Musical Supply. In addition to the ones you listed there is also Music & Arts and Music123. -Mike Martin Casio Mike Martin Photography Instagram Facebook The Big Picture Photography Forum on Music Player Network The opinions I post here are my own and do not represent the company I work for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dana. Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 From Wikipedia: Guitar Center's sister companies/subsidiaries incorporate Music & Arts, Musician's Friend, GuitarCenter.com, LMI, Giardinelli, Musician.com, Private Reserve Guitars, Woodwind and Brasswind, Music 123, and Harmony Central. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoochie Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 That list doesn't surprise me at all. As a friend in the biz told me. It's all about sticks, pics, straps. Cheap acoustic guitars too. That's the profit center. With the bigger ticket items, especially keyboards, there is just too little margin and the little guys can't buy large quota so they make less after getting hammered by price matching the Internet. You would think with their resources we would see more keyboards at Guitar Center. But in the end it's all about retail so follow the money. Guitar Center is the only brick and mortar left in a lot of areas. And they are usually busy. People might go in kicking the tires on something expensive with the full intent of getting it on the internet, but they always leave with something. John Edited for clarity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted October 5, 2015 Share Posted October 5, 2015 zZounds is not part of GC, they're part of American Musical Supply. In addition to the ones you listed there is also Music & Arts and Music123. Thanks for the clarification! I can never keep zZounds and Music123 straight - don't do much biz with either. dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Grace Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 From Wikipedia: Guitar Center's sister companies/subsidiaries incorporate Music & Arts, Musician's Friend, GuitarCenter.com, LMI, Giardinelli, Musician.com, Private Reserve Guitars, Woodwind and Brasswind, Music 123, and Harmony Central. Someone should edit that listHarmony Central is owned by Gibson now. Best, Geoff My Blue Someday appears on Apple Music | Spotify | YouTube | Amazon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 GC never has anything I want to try. Same here. Our local GC dropped Roland a few years ago and now they only stock one or two Korg keyboards. Of course they always have the Motif XF and MOXF in stock... and plenty of (yawn) controllers. When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ksoper Posted October 7, 2015 Share Posted October 7, 2015 I think the coolest thing to note is that things, in general, are trending up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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