DallasPA Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Greetings, The seems to be an upheaval brewing in the DAW world not so much at the top, moreso in the middle. It seems early on the companies garner sales with the latest greatest feature set, and in the end it may take months or years, if ever-for the blasted updates to repair the bugs which allow you to use these features effectively. Daw instability will eventually erode your user base, look at MOTU!!!!!!!! So lets do a shoot out, lets rank the top 5 current DAWs based on stability alone, and the 5 most unstable DAWS. Currently I am a Pro Tools user. But I would like to layout my DAW history. I initially migrated from a Roland S50 which handle my sequencing and sampling (very stable) to Studio Vision(IMHO very stable). From there I jumped to Logic Audio (which seemed stable, but I was unable to get the enviroment thing). So I moved to Digital Performer 2.7, probably the biggest mistake I made in life. I mean I never got to even stress the audio engine, because the program popped & locked more than a LA street dancer while just handling midi data and small audio files. This was on a stock 450 MHZ B&W G3. After a few weeks of that crap I moved to PT. I've been happy with my stability since. Most Stable --- Pro Tools 5.1 OS 9.2.2 Least Stable --- Digital Performer 2.7 OS 9.2.2 Dallas http://TrilogySound.com Reading, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salyphus Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Digital Performer 4.12 Rocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talcott Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Daw's seem to be highly complex systems where a vast number of variables can affect performance. I run DP 3.11 on my now almost five year old G4/400. Rock Solid here. I don't know much about the others, becuase I am satisfied. Tascam 4 track cassette------>Roland1680(still use great little box)----------DP3 Ahh! Let us proclaim absolute truths. Let us dishonor war, No...glorious war does not exist. -Victor Hugo http://www.composerguitarist.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rog Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Nuendo 2 on Win 2K is as stable a DAW as I've ever seen. Under OS X it's not there yet though. Hopefully it will be soon. "That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." - Banky Edwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmstudio99 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 "Many Variables" Bingo. I mean, you cruise through the Cubase.net boards and you'd think Steinberg was selling disk-shaped platters of genuine human excrement, literally. Yet SL 1.0.6 has been virtually crash-free on both of my Mac systems. Gila Monster Studio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasPA Posted February 4, 2004 Author Share Posted February 4, 2004 GMstudio99, Whats Mac and operating system are you using, Thanks Dallas http://TrilogySound.com Reading, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmstudio99 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 One is an iMac G4/800 running OSX 10.2 with 768 RAM The other is an iBook G4/800 running 10.3 with 640 RAM I rewire Live and Reason pretty regularly, too. No "huge" plugs like Waves or anything, though. Reaktor Sessions and Absynth are the most taxing plugs I run. Gila Monster Studio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1970 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 DallasPA your statement is incomplete: which platform, which version? Most stable: Logic 6 OS X Least stable: Pro Tools 6 OS X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFTurner Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Sonar 2.2 stable as a rock on a 2.4 P4, XP, Echo Mia system. William F. Turner Songwriter turnersongs Sometimes the truth is rude... tough shit... get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.H. Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Digital Performer 3.0 G4/533 Peak 2.5, Reason, Cubase -------Stable 9.1 Pro-Tools 5.1 G4/733 Peak TDM,------------------------Stable 9.2.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Sonar 2.2 on Win 2K SP4 sans IE Explorer(none,as in stripped out).No dongles or PACE either.2 minor software crashes due to badly coded beta plugs,but no OS or host crash in over 3 years.Like a rock. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Sonar 3.0 Producer Edition Vegas 3 Sound Forge 5 Echo Mona audio interface Windows XP AMD Athlon 2200 Shuttle XPC Nforce2 chipset 1GB of RAM No problems here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tld Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Originally posted by DallasPA: Most Stable --- Pro Tools 5.1 OS 9.2.2 I gotta say (knock on wood) my PT Mix 5.1.1 on my 9600/350 running OS 9.0.4 is the most stable computer system of any sort (daw or otherwise) that I've ever worked with. I occasionally do stuff like running Disk Warrior on the drives, rebuilding the desktop, zapping pram. Were it any more stable I'd forget it uses a computer (knock on wood a second time ). Tom http://www.digitalaudiorock.com The Protools Plugin Preset Co-op Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bondsong Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Cubase SX1.06 Reason 2.5 Halion and some other softsynths Win XP Home AMD 1.4 768 RAM All runs fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark LaCoste Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 AMD Athlon 2100 ASUS Mobo WinXP w/minor tweaks for audio Networked (home/internet) Hammerfall 9652 Sonar 3 Producer, Sonar 2XL Sound Forge 5 Bunch o' pluggs and various audio No crashes. Stability hasn't been a problem since Windows 98 went out the door several years ago. Rubber Lizard Studio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where02190 Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 Here we use PTle5.2.1(the beta 32 track version) on a dual 1Ghz G-4 Quicksilver running OS9.2.2 with an 001 (iwth an appogee on the outs) wtih 1.5gb ram, 250mb allocated to PT and 200mb allocated to DAE. We can pretty much take the software to it's limits with no problems. Now, we do not record into the 001, we record into a Mackie HDR 24/96 and transfer tracks from that (or one of the two MDR 24/96 machines we use for remote recording). the HDR and 001 are sync'd, giving us 56 tracks of playback. No crashes, no problems, for over 2 yrs now. Hope this is helpful. NP Recording Studios Analog approach to digital recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 DallasPA, would you say that PT 5.1 is more stable on 9.2.2 than 9.1? Just curious. Thanks! Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasPA Posted February 4, 2004 Author Share Posted February 4, 2004 Ken, My machine came with 9.2.2 installed and personally it has ran ultra smooth. I've heard from others and they state that 9.2.2 was probably the most problem free pre-OSX operating system. Most people I know are running 9.2.2 or some version of 9.0.#. Dallas http://TrilogySound.com Reading, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not coaster MODERATOR Posted February 4, 2004 Share Posted February 4, 2004 pci324 card on osx is a bad mix. it crashes my system every 8 hours or so. i'll upgrade to the 424 card eventually and that should settle it down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philter Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 PT 24|Mix, OS 9.2.2 Simply doesn't crash. Ever. ---------------------------- Phil Mann http://www.wideblacksky.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenElevenShadows Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 While my system is fairly stable, I would not say it's rock-solid, FWIW. It crashes occasionally if I load DUY plug-ins in AudioSuite, and once in a rare while crashes while the program is loading. Again, it hangs on the DUY or occasionally the Waves plug-ins upon load-up. Other than that, if it's playing or recording or editing, it's very solid and efficient. PT 5.1/OS 9.1 on a Mac 466 MHz G4. Ken Lee Photography - photos and books Eleven Shadows ambient music The Mercury Seven-cool spacey music Linktree to various sites Instagram Nightaxians Video Podcast Eleven Shadows website Ken Lee Photography Pinterest Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veracohr Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Originally posted by DallasPA: Least Stable --- Digital Performer 2.7 OS 9.2.2That's exactly what I use, on a G4 466MHz (DP 2.72). I sometimes get type 2 errors when quitting the program, but I think that only happened after I partitioned my hard drive, and it doesn't otherwise affect anything. Otherwise, I've not had any stability problems at all. "And then you have these thoughts in the back of your mind like 'Why am I doing this? Or is this a figment of my imagination?'" http://www.veracohr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 I'm currently running PT LE 6.1 and 6.1.1 on a self built Athlon XP 2700 / Asus A7N8X system (VIA chipset firewire card, 1 GB PC3200 DRAM, 60 GB C, 80 GB D, 80 GB firewire drives, Pinnacle 4X DVD-/+RW and Sony 40X CD-RW) with a Digi 002... running Yamaha's Studio Manager simultaneously with PT LE, and it's ROCK solid. I also own Logic Platinum, Sonar and Vegas, and for me - by far, PT is the most stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 I know several Mac users who absolutely swear by their DP systems - including one very prominent studio owner in Laguna Beach - he's basically on record as saying "if you're using anything but Digital Performer, you're wasting your time and your money" A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryrobinett Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Digital Performer has been very stable for me. 2.72, where I came into it, was a bit of a problem I suppose. 4.11 and 4.12 have been very stable. I've used Logic, PTle and a little Cubase. I prefer DP. I started with a Motu hardware set up as well. 2408mkII and 1224. Now it's 2 Metric Halo boxes. All the best, Henry Robinett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soundscape Studios. Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Great topic! Nuendo 1.61 on XP is damn solid for me. I just got back from an extended trip to the UK using Nu1.6 on a Dell Centrino 8600 laptop. I ran 55 tracks with plugs - ROCK solid. Nu2 is a diffent story though. It still needs some updating IMO. BTW Phil O' - just out of curiosity - why do you run PTLE? I would think a guy like you would be more at home on a HD system or something, considering what kind of room, mics, and other stuff I saw on your site... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid Viscous Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Sonar 3 w/ Athlon 64 3000+ Layla 24 XP Pro Toshiba laptop 2.6 gig P4 (desktop) MOTU 828mkII XP Home Perfectly stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 Originally posted by Soundscape Studios.: BTW Phil O' - just out of curiosity - why do you run PTLE? I would think a guy like you would be more at home on a HD system or something, considering what kind of room, mics, and other stuff I saw on your site...Because it does what I need it to do. Sure, I suppose I could go out and buy a HD3 system... but I'd be dropping five figures for it... and I really don't see the need. What would it give me that I don't already have - and would need enough to justify the cost? Beat Detective? Well, I could probably use that occasionally. Better converters? Sure... but the ones in the 002 and my Yamaha don't suck. 192 KHz sample rate? Well, I'm still doing most things at 24 / 44.1 and have not even felt I "needed" to go out to 96 KHz for most things, yet alone 192 KHz. Other goodies? Sure, the HD systems are nice... but on the PC I have now, I can pretty much do whatever I want / need to do, and since I'm an ol' fart, limiting myself to "only" 32 active tracks at a time isn't a problem for the way I like to work. And I can always have more and just do some submixing if I feel I really need it. Like I said - PT LE works for what I need. And I can't justify the price of a HD3 for the stuff it brings to the table. Maybe someday, but right now I just don't see the price / performance benefits. BTW, thanks for the implied compliments on my room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasPA Posted February 6, 2004 Author Share Posted February 6, 2004 Phil, I heard you got rid of 4416's, what did you move up to a DM1000 or 02R96. Dallas http://TrilogySound.com Reading, PA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmann Posted February 6, 2004 Share Posted February 6, 2004 DP 2.72 Bias PEAK 2.5+ Digidesign Masterlist CD Emu-Eloader w/OMS Mac G4 400 (it's very quiet!) OS 9.2.2 Motu Boxes (2408 and 896 > no longer own, but they were stable) Creamware Pulsar II + various external converters very stable - no problems ever Ed Mann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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