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I just saw in the new issue of BP that Gibson has reissued the old Grabber bass. For $3200 list. Are they nuts? Anybody who's ever owned a grabber would say that bass is worth maybe $600 tops, and that's pushing it. And we think Fender is pushing it price wise. Sheesh!

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I've owned two in the past. One used and one I constructed from a factory second with used parts and a badass 2 bridge as the original bridges were crap. These basses weren't that bad but they aren't worth $3200. Back when they were new in the 80's they cost roughly $350. I just don't know what they are thinking or who they are trying to sell these to. It's really sad.

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I just googled them and found one '77 for a little over 900, and one new Grabber II listed at around 1200 (but out of stock). Personally I see nothing even remotely appealing about this bass. It looks awkward and unbalanced, not to mention just plain ugly.

I've never played a Gibson or Epiphone bass but I also have not seen one that interests me, so I'm not missing anything.

Possibly a Thunderbird, but it looks too heavy and unbalanced to be practical.

 

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My first bass was a busted up Gibson Grabber (3 pup model, not the sliding pup one). The finish was stripped, pickguard was bubbly, had a warped Schecter birdseye maple neck (Fender style) with only one or two unbroken tuners. Wiring was shot to hell. My mom bought it for me from a dusty bin at a local shop for $99. I spent weeks learning how to fix it and got it into more or less playable condition and it lasted me 3 or 4 years through highschool. I still have the body and neck for future projects but I scrapped everything else because it was crap. I'd never buy another even though I'll never get rid of what's left of this one.
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That's pretty nuts, but it seems that Gibson is aiming its instruments at collectors, not players. You, too, can be a nostalgic baby boomer (and I am one) for just $3200. Glass wall display case priced separately.

 

I still have my fretless Ripper from 1976, it has always sounded and felt really good, and more so with the Bart preamp and Lane Poor pickups I put in it. But you're right, Gibson just doesn't seem to have any real interest in bassists any more.

 

 

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I just don't see paying $3200 on any single bass, sorry. I know there are a few "if I won the lottery" basses out there but in my (ham)hands, I doubt anyone, including me, would hear the difference between a $1500 bass and a $3200 bass. I'd go as high as $2000 for a dream machine if I could justify it but not a Grabber. I don't think Gibson ever really took the bass market too seriously, they only put out a few models because they feel they have too.
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Gibson makes great acoustic and electric guitars. For some unknown reason, they have never figured out how to make a bass (maybe the Thunderbird is the exception).

 

I think they've figured out how to make basses. There is the Thunderbird, as you say, and the Les Paul "Money" bass they made a couple of years ago was really excellent--I had one & loved it.

 

HOWEVER, the Thunderbird is weird enough & expensive enough that it'll never be much more than a niche instrument, and whereas the Money bass could have been a condtenda', instead they just made a few & then dumped it. (Oh yeah, and they called it the "Money" bass.)

 

They can make good basses. They just can't market them. :confused:

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I dunno. I have one of the original Rippers which I bought back in 1973 for $358. I think it's an excellent bass provided you like the 70s sound. Run through a vintage Acoustic 301 or an Ampeg B-15N, and it sings in a sweet voice that (to my ears) was totally unique. Crystal clear and 'flooomy' sounding when strung with a set of Rotosound Swing Bass strings.

 

That being said, I completely agree with b5pilot. Gibson has gone completely off the deep end with the pricing on the reissue. Especially since this new model doesn't have the unique Bill Lawrence design pickups and that funky passive-coil midrange tone control that contributed so much to the original sound.

 

At $1000-$1200, it might have appealed to a nostalgia freak or an old timer like myself. But at the $3K+ price spot there are just too many fine basses (including some boutique models) for anybody to take that number seriously. Especially nowadays when you can score a well made and exceptionally nice sounding Fender, Spector, or Warwick for well below a grand if you shop around.

 

Oh well...Gibson killed off the original Ripper by being stupid about how they marketed the little bugger when it first came out. Now it looks like they're about to do it again.

 

I guess they can't get any closer to the original than that.

 

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Oh well...Gibson killed off the original Ripper by being stupid about how they marketed the little bugger when it first came out.

 

Why, whatever do you mean? :D

 

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Even so, I'd have one! (An original, that is!)

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Even so, I'd have one! (An original, that is!)

 

 

Well, if you ever find yourself in NYC, check Manny's and a some of the other pro shops up on W 48th Street. I've spotted a few Rippers up there ($900) from time to time. Or maybe it's just the same one over and over...but there ya go! :thu:

 

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I had a Ripper once. I traded in one of my grabbers for it. Used it for one gig then I traded it back for that grabber. I found the ripper to be a bit to chunky for my liking. If you want a reissue one though according to BP mag it's going for $3600 list. Sheesh!

I think Bob G. is on to something and Gibson is trying to rope in the nostalgic babyboomers (and apparently wealthy ones at that). I was hankering for an old grabber for S&Gs but I will definately pass on these. Not at those prices.

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You haven't lived until you've heard Capasso rockin' out on his Gibson EB. Really.

 

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Where is Shecky? I would've expected him to be all over this thread!

 

 

On a related note, I tried out one of the SG basses. It sounded like dog patch. And for ONLY $1200!

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I used to have one of those. It was the model with the SG style body and the slotted peghead. Lots of fun to play but muddy as hell.

 

Oh totally -- the thing was an absolute mudshovel. It was a cool (if limited) sound though it you could figure out how to use it right.

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I just spent $300 on a Silverburst Epi T-bird. For what I paid and for what I want it to do, it is fine. I just try to keep in mind that it is the equivelent of a Squier - an inexpensively manufactured knock-off of a way more expensive bass.

 

Although I would love to own an actual T-bird one day, I'll probably never shell out the $1600 to buy one - or $600 for the Epi "Pro" series for that matter.

 

+1 to respondants that state there are way too many really good basses for $3200 (or two pretty damned good ones for $3200 combined).

 

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Well, if you ever find yourself in NYC, check Manny's and a some of the other pro shops up on W 48th Street.

 

Not Manny's -- not anymore -- it's gone. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/nyregion/01mannys.html

 

Bloody hell! One more good thing gone.

 

Hope Sam Ash is happy they can finally finish circling their wagons. Because I don't completely buy their justification for folding up Manny's. Why would a Sam Ash guitar store bring in more $$$ than Manny's if the economic downturn was solely responsible for the closing to begin with? Especially since the Sam Ash name has nowhere near the cachet of Manny's.

 

(And not to be cynical, but I still can't help wondering how long it will be before all those photos they're "putting into storage" start showing up on Hard Rock Cafe walls.)

 

Nothing against Sam Ash. They're fine for what they are. I'll go to Sam for strings - or if I want to put up with some adolescent weekend shredders. But if I'm serious about dropping a few grand, and need the time, selection, and space to really audition a new bass or amp, I'll go to Manny's or G Guitars in New Haven CT.

 

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The issue with Greg Lake on the cover was in Guitar Player in 1974. It's easy for me to remember this since there was an interview with my wife in that issue.

 

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Even so, I'd have one! (An original, that is!)

 

 

Well, if you ever find yourself in NYC, check Manny's and a some of the other pro shops up on W 48th Street. I've spotted a few Rippers up there ($900) from time to time. Or maybe it's just the same one over and over...but there ya go! :thu:

 

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P.S. Ahhh...the old days. That ad was originally in Guitar Player wasn't it? Or maybe a very early edition of Bass Player? The issue with Greg Lake on the cover? (And just who is the "swan" in that picture anyway? Does anybody know who that is?)

 

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Well, if you ever find yourself in NYC, check Manny's and a some of the other pro shops up on W 48th Street.

 

Not Manny's -- not anymore -- it's gone. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/nyregion/01mannys.html

 

Bloody hell! One more good thing gone.

 

Hope Sam Ash is happy they can finally finish circling their wagons. Because I don't completely buy their justification for folding up Manny's. Why would a Sam Ash guitar store bring in more $$$ than Manny's if the economic downturn was solely responsible for the closing to begin with? Especially since the Sam Ash name has nowhere near the cachet of Manny's.

 

(And not to be cynical, but I still can't help wondering how long it will be before all those photos they're "putting into storage" start showing up on Hard Rock Cafe walls.)

 

Nothing against Sam Ash. They're fine for what they are. I'll go to Sam for strings - or if I want to put up with some adolescent weekend shredders. But if I'm serious about dropping a few grand, and need the time, selection, and space to really audition a new bass or amp, I'll go to Manny's or G Guitars in New Haven CT.

 

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What Mannys? It just isn't even there anymore. Sam Ash bought them years ago and had no idea how to run that place.

 

And word is that Rudy's will be moving off of 48th Street. Not sure where, but 48th steet isn't what it used to be.

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... there was an interview with my wife in that issue.

 

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