Philip OKeefe Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 I keep watching DVD +/-R/W burners dropping in price. They've gotten to be quite inexpensive, so I am considering adding one to the computer... but my main concern is speed. Right now I run a 48 X Sony CD-RW, which can back up the typical Pro Tools song in under five minutes. Obviously I wind up "spanning" the backup over two (and sometimes three) disks, but it's not all that much of a hassle. Still, the larger storage capacity of a DVD disk would be welcome - but I don't want to have to go back to waiting forever for backups to finish. So, I'm curious: What's the current data write rate for DVD drives? Anyone know? Suggestions and comments are, as always, welcomed. :wave: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spokenward Posted August 24, 2003 Share Posted August 24, 2003 this is how Pioneer specs their well-regarded [url=http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pe/product/detail/0,,2076_17221_1984060,00.html]DVR-A06U [/url] Write Speed DVD-R 4x*2, 2x*3, 1x CLV (5.54MB/s) DVD--RW 2x*4, 1x CLV (2.77MB/s) DVD+R 4x*5, 2.4x CLV (5.54MB/s) DVD+RW 2.4x CLV (3.32MB/s) CD-R 16x, 12x, 8x, 4x CLV (2.4MB/s) CD-RW 10x*5, 4x CLV (1.5MB/s) Read Speed DVD-ROM (single) Max 12x CAV (16.62MB/s) DVD-ROM (dual) Max 8x CAV (11.08MB/s) DVD-R, DVD-RW Max 6x CAV ( 8.31MB/s) DVD+R, DVD+RW Max 6x CAV (8.31MB/s) CD-ROM Max 32x CAV (4.8MB/s) CD-R, CD-RW Max 32x CAV (4.8MB/s) Access Time DVD-ROM 140 msec (Random Average) CD -ROM 130 msec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loopy C Posted August 25, 2003 Share Posted August 25, 2003 I just got the LaCie Firewire 4X Combo (DVD-R, DVD+R, CD-R etc). It works perfect (I have backed up two 120 Gig drive in only a couple of sessions!) ~13 minutes each 4.4 Gig (not including Verify of course). $300 direct from LaCie, only 2 days shipping for CA. Chris R. Gibson aka Loopy C Micworks Ken Tamplin Mastering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not Cereal Posted August 25, 2003 Share Posted August 25, 2003 yep i have an A05 (predecessor to A06) burns at 4x dvd-r. thats a whole disc in 15 minutes. works great, plus you can learn to make dvd's to watch and thats a lot of fun. (must spend money for mac software or buy pc). toast 5.2.1 is the version to use with the A05, i'm sure the A06 would work with this version too. [i]the A06 only does one thing the A05 doesn't; DVD+R. this format is sketchy on macs and a little less compatible with some dvd players than DVD-R.[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Hepworth Posted August 25, 2003 Share Posted August 25, 2003 I just jumped on the boat and got a Pioneer A06. Burn speeds of 4x give me a realistic burn time at about 20 minutes (counting caching and all). I backup my data to one of my other drives, then use dvd-/+r for archive, or long term backup. My last project (finished at 6:20[b]AM[/b] yesterday) is just over twenty gigs. That would have been a lot of time and CD-R's - it's not like they'd change themselves after each disc is burned, so you have to be there the whole time. Not with DVD, I just come back after hitting the local zippi mart for a snack and it's ready for the next set. No changing the disc 6-7 times. Just do it! No matter how good something is, there will always be someone blasting away on a forum somewhere about how much they hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted August 29, 2003 Author Share Posted August 29, 2003 Okay NE-One, I did. :) I got a Pinnacle - I/O Magic 4X combo drive (DVD-R/RW DVD+R/RW drive. $199. And it's pretty impressive. Installation was a snap. No driver software needed. True plug and play. The bundled software works fine. I backed up a ton of data yesterday and it's definitely easier to get a lot of data on one disk and just let it burn instead of having to swap out disks as often as I would have to with CD-R's. I'm using -R's, since they seem to be the more compatable format from what Coaster (and others) have told me. BTW, thanks for the tip Coaster. :thu: Now, where do I find good deals on blank media? I'm open to suggestions re: brands and vendors. Thanks again for your help everyone. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFTurner Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 This thread come along just at the right time. My new machine has a PHILIPS DVD+RW SDVD6004. Just now thinking about getting around to getting media for doing some backups. My main question is what's the mean of the + or - before the RW or R? William F. Turner Songwriter turnersongs Sometimes the truth is rude... tough shit... get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Hepworth Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Idiots with DVD technology shot themselves in the feet by not having a standard. It's like VHS and Betamax, only they both play in the same player. DVD+R has a slightly lower chance of compatability with [i]older[/i] DVD players. Both are mostly equal formats. No matter how good something is, there will always be someone blasting away on a forum somewhere about how much they hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Hepworth Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Philip O'Keefe: [b]Okay NE-One, I did. :) [/b][/quote]Phil, that's [i]MATT[/i] to you! :D No matter how good something is, there will always be someone blasting away on a forum somewhere about how much they hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techristian Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 I have a PIONEER and I use the DVD-R disks which seem to be less expensive. I got a spindle of 50 4X 6 months ago for only $50 U.S. on EBAY. Dan http://musicinit.com/pvideos.html TEACHMEDRUMS.COM My Music Videos RED PILL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted August 30, 2003 Author Share Posted August 30, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by NE-One: [b] [quote]Originally posted by Philip O'Keefe: [b]Okay NE-One, I did. :) [/b][/quote]Phil, that's [i]MATT[/i] to you! :D [/b][/quote]I know... I just thought it sounded better / funnier with the NE-One at the start of that post. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Hepworth Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by Philip O'Keefe: [b]I know... I just thought it sounded better / funnier with the NE-One at the start of that post. ;) [/b][/quote]LOL! :thu: No matter how good something is, there will always be someone blasting away on a forum somewhere about how much they hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted August 30, 2003 Author Share Posted August 30, 2003 Yeah, it was the whole bracketing thing... start the post with the NE-One reference and thank everyone at the end. NE-One and Everyone. Sometimes I think I'm too clever for my own good. :rolleyes; :p ;) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Phil, I was thinking of starting a thread specifically asking about good blank DVD-R deals. Then I saw this thread. I'm getting a new computer soon, and I'm planning on putting a DVD burner in it to back up my PT files. Maybe one of us should start that other thread anyway. (?) https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted August 30, 2003 Author Share Posted August 30, 2003 Go for it Bunny - I'm interested too, and will be watching. :) FWIW, I paid $20 for a 10 pack of Memorex 4X DVD-R's when I bought the drive. I know they're cheaper in bulk, but I have no idea what the best deals (and brands) are... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 :thu: https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassix Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 This link might be useful to some of you: http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/DVDMediaFormats/Home.aspx Stirring shit up since 1968 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFTurner Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 >>Idiots with DVD technology shot themselves in the feet by not having a standard. It's like VHS and Betamax, only they both play in the same player. DVD+R has a slightly lower chance of compatability with older DVD players. Both are mostly equal formats.<< And from the article Bassix pointed us to: >>The content created on a DVD-R/RW writer using a write once DVD-R disc played back in virtually all (96.1 percent) of the DVD players and DVD-ROM drives used in the research. DVD+R discs played back in 87.6 percent of the devices tested.<< I'm not real knowledgable about DVD platform but the info makes me a bit queasy when considering long term backup. I'll be rereading my data so it doesn't seem a big issue at first look but what if I need it at a time when perhaps this drive is long gone and I have a newer one. An 87.6 playback rate on a +Rx device ain't especially comforting in my opinion. Perhaps they might drop the +Rx part of the spec in future drives. Oh well I'll give it a shot and hope for the best I guess. Though I'd probably be compelled to also make a CD backup. Perhaps the DVD platform ain't quite ready for primetime data archivng. William F. Turner Songwriter turnersongs Sometimes the truth is rude... tough shit... get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Hepworth Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by WFTurner: [b]Perhaps they might drop the +Rx part of the spec in future drives.[/b][/quote]Doubtful, in fact some big companies like Plextor are going with strictly '+' format, if I remember correctly. FWIW, I use TDK 4x +R. I buy them with cases for $20/10 DVD+R's. Phil, I'm glad you see the same humour as I saw when I elected for my generic handle. :thu: No matter how good something is, there will always be someone blasting away on a forum somewhere about how much they hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 OK, I started the other thread, specifically asking about blank DVD-R prices, but I don't think anyone has seen it yet. It was kind of dumb of me to start a thread late on Friday night, considering most of the poeple here post while they're at work. D'oh! :freak: ;) https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJDM Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 OK I just had to brag a little. Bring on the 8Xs burners. I just picked up one of these babies at Best Buy: [img]http://www.plextor.com/english/images/708A_photo_specs4.gif[/img] [url=http://www.plextor.com/english/products/708A.html]Plextor takes it up a notch with the PX-708A and UF. 8Xs![/url] Works like a charm and kicks big ass speed wise. A little pricy but the other options were only a little less expensive 4x units. Besides it's a Plextor. I have never had a problem with any of my Plextors. Not ever never. OK I am delirious. Off to bed. - DJDM DJDM.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
where02190 Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by DJDM: [b]I just picked up one of these babies at Best Buy: A little pricy but the other options were only a little less expensive 4x units. [/b][/quote]There are othere options. Never buy retail those places are such ripoffs. Check daily pricings through [url=http://www.pricewatch.com]pricewatch.com[/url] . they lsit, by best price, reputable venders to buy from, and direct links to them. We buy through their references everything from drives to RAM, blank media, and get incredible prices. You would have saved over $40 on that Plextor burner... Good place to look for blank DVD media, too.... Hope this is helpful. NP Recording Studios Analog approach to digital recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJDM Posted September 9, 2003 Share Posted September 9, 2003 [quote]Originally posted by where02190: [b] [quote]Originally posted by DJDM: [b]I just picked up one of these babies at Best Buy: A little pricy but the other options were only a little less expensive 4x units. [/b][/quote]There are othere options. Never buy retail those places are such ripoffs. Check daily pricings through [url=http://www.pricewatch.com]pricewatch.com[/url] . they lsit, by best price, reputable venders to buy from, and direct links to them. We buy through their references everything from drives to RAM, blank media, and get incredible prices. You would have saved over $40 on that Plextor burner... Good place to look for blank DVD media, too....[/b][/quote]You are correct and if I had not needed it this week I would have waited patiently for that Plextor to arrive mail order. But I was in a big hurry. My old CD burner was not going to cut it for the next project I am working on. (Its a soundtrack/audio sweetening project for a feature film if you are interested) I am not advocating retail price. Believe me. But it was nice to get a jump on the technology as this drive only just became available. I did have to spend more but only because of the timeline for this gig. :) Thanks for the tip under any circumstances. ;) Hope [i]this[/i] is helpful. - DJDM DJDM.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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