duff beer Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Joe Satiani is suing Coldplay for stealing one of his songs. He claims they used substantial portions of "If I Could Fly" in their song "Viva La Vida": http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7766683.stm Here is a youtube blend of both songs. It sounds like Satriani has a valid claim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HDUiauiyM&eurl=http://creativeguitarstudio.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 I guess that isn't the only lawsuit/accusation against Coldplay... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KEGHfQuZJY&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOpZPdaw8Sw&feature=related This is why putting tons of "unreleased" material (especially non-Copyrighted material) on the internet is not a good idea... People pick up on melodies..etc...and stuff gets subconsciously stuck your head. miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipclone 1 Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Tell me about it-I may have already posted more than I should have and sorry for that cause I think people enjoy it, but there `s no choice, you have to protect your work. In this case it sounds pretty darn substantial to me, ultimately the court will bring in a musicologist but my guess is that there will be compensation here. Same old surprises, brand new cliches- Skipsounds on Soundclick: www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandid=602491 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuitarPlayerFL Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Joe Satiani is suing Coldplay for stealing one of his songs. He claims they used substantial portions of "If I Could Fly" in their song "Viva La Vida": http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7766683.stm Here is a youtube blend of both songs. It sounds like Satriani has a valid claim: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HDUiauiyM&eurl=http://creativeguitarstudio.blogspot.com/ +1 I hope he sues their asses to kingdom come. He's not the only one they've ripped off...check out YouTube for more. Their other major rip off is Kraftwerk's Computer Love. Stoleplay rip off MAIN HOOKS and claim it to be original. A Jazz/Chord Melody Master-my former instructor www.robertconti.com (FKA GuitarPlayerSoCal) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
02R96 Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 NO - They did not ripoff Kraftwork. To clear the record (at least on this one)... Coldplay liked the song so much that they asked for, and received permission to use the riff from Kraftworks "Computer Love". They then wrote their own lyrics around the melody. Kraftwork also received credit on for it Coldplay's CD. The idea that they ripped Kraftwork off has been repeated so many times people think it's true - but is simply is not. Dan "I hate what I've become, trying to escape who I am..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lokair Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 I listened and Satriani has point. Very spot on take of his song. I think Coldplay will have to pony up a few bills to clear this one. Lok 1997 PRS CE24, 1981 Greco MSV 850, 1991 Greco V 900, 2 2006 Dean Inferno Flying Vs, 1987 Gibson Flying V, 2000s Jackson Dinky/Soloist, 1992 Gibson Les Paul Studio, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 This shouldn't even have to go to court. As soon as Joe brought it to their attention, they should have ponied up. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squ Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 Yeah, I think this is gonna be a win for Satriani. Mainly because his opening guitar melody is the same melody and rhythm as the first line in the Coldplay chorus. This does happen subconsciously, I don't imagine Coldplay did it intentionally. Red Red Rockit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gifthorse Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 I always thought that VH song Best of Both Worlds sounded like a blatant Kool & the Gang Celebration ripoff. Yeah, rock music is so simple it seems like it is easy to steal stuff unknowingly. http://flagshipmile.dmusic.com/ http://www.myspace.com/gifthorse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 I always thought that VH song Best of Both Worlds sounded like a blatant Kool & the Gang Celebration ripoff. Not nearly to the level that Coldplay swiped Satch's piece. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trushack Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Sounds like Satriani has a pretty strong case. Both the melody and the chord progression are really, really close to my ears (had some familiarity with the Coldplay tune, but had never heard the Satriani one). My guess is Satriani will probably prevail and end up with a songwriting credit and some associated compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhuxtable Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 i dont mean to be THAT GUY... i can def hear the resemblance...quite compeling. but ive always said to myself...you know theres only 12 notes. only SO many ways to put them all together before someone or groups with overlapping interests write something that sounds alike... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucks Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 i dont mean to be THAT GUY... i can def hear the resemblance...quite compeling. but ive always said to myself...you know theres only 12 notes. only SO many ways to put them all together before someone or groups with overlapping interests write something that sounds alike... That's my approach to soloing! ha! Only 12 notes.. How wrong can I go?! :-) Soundclick Myspace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picker Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Don Henley has said he won't accept tapes or CD's from people who want him to critique their music or help them get started in the biz, which apparently people often try to give him, because there is too much possibility that he might unconsciously use enough of someone else's tune to get sued for it. I wonder if he listens to any music for entertainment? Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLife Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 I wonder if it may be getting to the point that you could have just about any material questioned because of that fact that so much of it sounds similar to previous songs? I mean like the other guy said there are only so many ways to put a song together that you are bound to be reusing some things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gug Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 It sounds SO similar, I wonder if it was a real mistake? How could they have hoped to have gotten away with it if it was intentional? ...on the other hand, same tempo too? Mikegug www.facebook.com/theresistancemusic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billster Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 It sounds SO similar, I wonder if it was a real mistake? How could they have hoped to have gotten away with it if it was intentional? ...on the other hand, same tempo too? Maybe they're stupid. Coldplay is one of the most derivative bands I've ever heard. I don't think that's exactly the best Satriani I ever heard either. Buy my CD on CD Baby! Bill Hartzell - the website MySpace?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Coldplay is one of the most derivative bands I've ever heard. Too much time spent listening to cheesy 80's Pop when they were kids. miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gug Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 I guessed they were hoping their fan bases would never overlap? Good thinkin'! Mikegug www.facebook.com/theresistancemusic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEHpicker Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Don't you just hate that. Like when SRV blatantly stole that great tune about the kid with the sheep at school... SEHpicker The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gug Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Don't you just hate that. Like when SRV blatantly stole that great tune about the kid with the sheep at school... Yeah, that was by T. Edison. I'm pretty sure he was the first to record that, right? Mikegug www.facebook.com/theresistancemusic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEHpicker Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Actually it was a Buddy Guy tune... SEHpicker SEHpicker The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it." George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soggybomb Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 i hope satch wins this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Don't you just hate that. Like when SRV blatantly stole that great tune about the kid with the sheep at school... Pretty sure that was public domain.... A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Gug Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Actually it was a Buddy Guy tune... SEHpicker No, I was just joshin'. That was the first thing ever recorded anywhere. The poem "Mary Had a Little Lamb" by Thomas Edison. Mikegug www.facebook.com/theresistancemusic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Iverson Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Did Thomas Edison write that poem, or did he blatantly rip it off from some poor SOB down on his luck?? Too bad it's too late to sue him!! Yes, he invented the phonograph, but who cares about that... outdated technology, anyway..... I care about the POEM!! And about Mary and her lamb... There is another version of that poem, and no, I didn't write it... supposedly it was by Louis Armstrong. Mary had a little bear The bear was mighty fine And everywhere that Mary went You'd see her bear behind If you don't like it, sue Louis! -------------------------------------- Seriously, Satriani probably DOES have a case, although who knows what a judge and/or jury will decide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitarzan Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Mary had a little sheep she took it to bed one night to sleep when she woke it was a ram and Mary had a little lamb http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=193274 rock it, i will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingerstyle_Jim Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 A local radio station here played both songs(Satch and Coldplay) at the same time and it was eerie. They're in the same key and the tempo was right on. A lot of these cases get dismissed because it appears that once a song/artist starts making money they become a target, but this time I don't know. Jim My SoundClick Page My New Music Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 A lot of these cases get dismissed because it appears that once a song/artist starts making money they become a target, but this time I don't know. NO...I wouldn't say they "become a target"...it's just that until they perform the song publically, on a big scale...or record/sell it...the original owner doesn't even know they stole it. Plus...ain't no point going after someone who isn't making any money off YOUR song. miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fingerstyle_Jim Posted December 10, 2008 Share Posted December 10, 2008 Plus...ain't no point going after someone who isn't making any money off YOUR song. That's partly my point, I'm remembering cases that involved Gearge Harrison and Micheal Jackson that had much less convincing evidence, but lots of bucks at stake. While I am sure Coldplay has a few dollars at thier disposal, this looks a lot different to me. Jim My SoundClick Page My New Music Project Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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