Davo-London Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 David you are correct with the notes that you have written, but if we stick with the convention of one finger per fret then using your notation: 2 4, 1 2 4, 1 2 4 2 4 is A B (correct)1 2 4 is C# D E (incorrect - should be C D E)1 2 4 is F# G A (correct) That's what I am saying. That's why Phil talks about shifting either on the second string or the third string. Davo "We will make you bob your head whether you want to or not". - David Sisk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucks Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 No if the scale is in G major and you start on the second mode. G major doesn't have a Bb Sorry David, I got confused! Soundclick Myspace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMPires Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Trucks the G Major scale goes G A B C D E F# G So you don't have any Bb When on the second mode (Dorian) you will start on A www.myspace.com/davidbassportugal "And then the magical unicorn will come prancing down the rainbow and we'll all join hands for a rousing chorus of Kumbaya." - by davio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil W Posted August 20, 2007 Author Share Posted August 20, 2007 Interesting thing about fingerings for the dorian mode. Like most people I play it mostly with the root using the index finger so the fingering is 1 3 4 shift 2 4 1 2 4 or 1 3 4 1 3 shift 1 2 4 This means that I can't play even one octave without shifting. If, however, I play the root with the little finger, I can play more than an octave on 4 string without shifting (if starting on the E string) - fingering 4 1 2 4 1 3 4 1 Weird I use 2 4 - 1 2 4 - 1 2 4 That's a big stretch David. Are you sure? http://philwbass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMPires Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Doriab mode second scale mode??? yeah I use that one, I can show you tomorrow at lunch time www.myspace.com/davidbassportugal "And then the magical unicorn will come prancing down the rainbow and we'll all join hands for a rousing chorus of Kumbaya." - by davio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BargeOn Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 From Pete Thomas's site:"It is very important to be aware that the chords Dm7 - G7 in a Dorian mode are chords I and IV, but in the key of C they are chords II and V and usually imply a perfect cadence to chord I." It never hurts to state the obvious. Yeah, I knew that! but seeing it in print helps bring it home. -Pete has a great site, by the way. Thanks for mentioning it Phil. It can be pretty instructive to hang with the sax players. One of the fortunate things about playing bass is that you can _see_ these relationships on the fretboard in a way you can't on keys or horns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucks Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Trucks the G Major scale goes G A B C D E F# G So you don't have any Bb When on the second mode (Dorian) you will start on A Thanks mate! :-) After I got myself confused, I did some reading on modes... Now what I don't get.. Is what exactly is the point of using modes? Seeing as it is all part of the major scale but starting at a different note? Soundclick Myspace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMPires Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Teory speaking there will be guys more capable to explain that to you. But the way i see you have diferent fingering/scales using the same notes. So for i.e if someone shouts: "the song is in A staring on lydian" I know he means the song starts on D and I already know the scale is using. makes sense?? Probably not www.myspace.com/davidbassportugal "And then the magical unicorn will come prancing down the rainbow and we'll all join hands for a rousing chorus of Kumbaya." - by davio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucks Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Yep that does make more sense to me! Thanks. I can see how it certainly would make communication easier. Soundclick Myspace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMPires Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Pleasure. Never thought I could explain theory. www.myspace.com/davidbassportugal "And then the magical unicorn will come prancing down the rainbow and we'll all join hands for a rousing chorus of Kumbaya." - by davio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 If you are playing a nice one chord song which just repeats a Dm7 chord for a half an hour ( ), you will probably be playing a D Dorian scale. Now, we all now that it will have the same notes as a C major scale. But!! If you think in C, you'll get all farblondzshet (as my Grandmother used to say). You need to think in D so that you will know that D is the root, A is the fifth, F is the minor third, C is the b7, and so forth. And that is why you should know the dorian scale as a unique scale, not as a subset of a major scale. And as Boris and Natasha would say, "Got it?" "Got it" "Good" http://www.classicmedia.tv/assets/circles/boris-natasha.gif Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Malone Posted August 20, 2007 Share Posted August 20, 2007 Well farblondzshet does have "blond" within the word. LOL Wally I have basses to play, places to be and good music to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil W Posted August 25, 2007 Author Share Posted August 25, 2007 Doriab mode second scale mode??? yeah I use that one, I can show you tomorrow at lunch time As you know I was on the train to Dorset! Did you see David's fingering Davo? http://philwbass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo-London Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 David only fingered my Jamman. I'm sure I'll see him again. I will won't I? Davo "We will make you bob your head whether you want to or not". - David Sisk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMPires Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 Hopefully soon in october I'll try to make a video and post on youtube www.myspace.com/davidbassportugal "And then the magical unicorn will come prancing down the rainbow and we'll all join hands for a rousing chorus of Kumbaya." - by davio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil W Posted August 26, 2007 Author Share Posted August 26, 2007 If a guy fingers your Jamman and you never see him again, that'd be a sad story! http://philwbass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMPires Posted August 26, 2007 Share Posted August 26, 2007 If a guy fingers your Jamman and you never see him again, that'd be a sad story! That ain't happening. BTW how's gonna be? Dinner or Studio? I rather dinner. www.myspace.com/davidbassportugal "And then the magical unicorn will come prancing down the rainbow and we'll all join hands for a rousing chorus of Kumbaya." - by davio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMPires Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Here it is. No coments allowed on my silly expressions. Quickly done without any concerns on sound or performance http://s144.photobucket.com/albums/r165/davidmpires/?action=view¤t=VideoDorian.flv www.myspace.com/davidbassportugal "And then the magical unicorn will come prancing down the rainbow and we'll all join hands for a rousing chorus of Kumbaya." - by davio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo-London Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Blast, I can't view this at work. Poxy Big Brother. Davo "We will make you bob your head whether you want to or not". - David Sisk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil W Posted August 29, 2007 Author Share Posted August 29, 2007 Looks like Carol Kaye's pivoting thumb thingy. http://philwbass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMPires Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 ???? www.myspace.com/davidbassportugal "And then the magical unicorn will come prancing down the rainbow and we'll all join hands for a rousing chorus of Kumbaya." - by davio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davo-London Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 David I was pulling your leg about the Jamman. I do trust you. Davo "We will make you bob your head whether you want to or not". - David Sisk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMPires Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 That's cool. Have you seen the fingering??? www.myspace.com/davidbassportugal "And then the magical unicorn will come prancing down the rainbow and we'll all join hands for a rousing chorus of Kumbaya." - by davio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil W Posted August 30, 2007 Author Share Posted August 30, 2007 You know is there much call for these type of threads?I can do another one if the demand is there; I know it was requested in the BP editors forum. David, I can run through Locrian if you like, or any other diatonic mode or mode of the melodic minor? Or John Coltrane's global scale collection. http://philwbass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidMPires Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Looks like Carol Kaye's pivoting thumb thingy. What you mean by that Phil?? www.myspace.com/davidbassportugal "And then the magical unicorn will come prancing down the rainbow and we'll all join hands for a rousing chorus of Kumbaya." - by davio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil W Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 http://www.carolkaye.com/www/education/tips1.htm http://philwbass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil W Posted August 31, 2007 Author Share Posted August 31, 2007 So, anybody want the Locrian guide? http://philwbass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewbubba Posted August 31, 2007 Share Posted August 31, 2007 Go! Although, I'm just now really taking a hard look at the Dorian stuff. A stiffy somewhere in the city sewer system... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke73 Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 I play Dorian, 1 3 4, 1 4, 1 2 4. Playing the G and A (if playing D dorian) with the 1st and 4th fingers makes the shift for the B, C, and D very easy. It almost feels like a springboard http://www.myspace.com/twoshortrocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil W Posted September 1, 2007 Author Share Posted September 1, 2007 Nice! http://philwbass.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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