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Thanks for the replies! That does put things in a better perspective I was thinking they may have put a different brand of the 3.5" horns but could be totally mistaken on that. Thanks again.
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This question would go out to anyone who already has the Motion Sound KP-408SX or has knowledge of it. I had ordered one when they were on backorder a few months ago. Musician's Friend sent one out to me a few weeks ago. However, when I look on the back it says KP-408S. I had tried both email addresses on the Motion Sound web site but got no reponse. I'm getting ready to ship it back to MF but wanted to make sure the S's say S on the back and the SX's say SX. Since there's around a $200 price difference, I wanted to make sure I was getting what I'd paid for. Thanks in advance.
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Dona also.
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37 minutes ago, Alkeys said:
Thanks for the response guys. Is latency a non-issue these days going from iPad to controller or is that still an issue?
So when using an iPad did you use a cable like this to connect to a mixer? I'm trying to avoid buying an audio interface and go from iPad straight to a mixer.
The only problem there is that you'll probably have to rely on bluetooth to transmit the data to your iPad. I was doing that for awhile and would get latency and glitches. Once I changed to a direct connection all those problems went away. I'm like a lot of previous responders here - mainly hardware but use the iPad for other sounds (and MIDI files on Cubasis in my situation). When I was using the XKPro I ran it through a dongle and used the pad for E.Pianos & clav. Presently I'm using a Korg Nautilus 73 & using the pad for B3X. The advantage of the Nautilus is that you just need a USB-B to USB-C cable and it not only transmits data to the iPad but also transmits sound from the pad back into the Nautilus.
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I thought I had put a reply to this but don’t see it now (on vacation with terrible WiFi) but I recently got the case from Sweetwater supposedly for the XKPro but it seemed way too big for it. It was. I was getting it for a Korg Nautilus and it fit perfectly. I’m thinking it was actually for the SKXPro so you could check out the dimensions on their website and see if it would fit.
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I was recently looking for a case for a Nautilus 73. Tried a Gator case but it was too big and loose. Came across a case on Sweetwater that was supposedly for the XKPro but the dimensions looked way too big. However it fit the Nautilus like the proverbial glove so I’m wondering if it’s actually for the SK-2 or SKXPro. You might want to check that out although I see this thread is pretty old so it may be too much after the fact. And I did put the SKPro in it and it was way too big and loose.
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It puts me in mind of a CD released by Hank Jones and Charlie Haden called Come Sunday. Duo only, playing some hymns from Charlie's Kentucky upbringing. The roundness of the bass tone reminds me of that recording as well. Great playing by Larry and David.
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I don't know (much repeated rant here): The Hammond SK1 had a great clav sound. On the SK-PRO they gave you all 4 pickup variations and not one of them sounded nearly as good as the SK1. Similarly, I've been using a Nautilus 73 lately and end up using the GM clav because it sounds better than all the different pickup and settings varieties, so more isn't always better. From what I'm gathering here though, it doesn't sound like any of the Yamaha offerings were that good from the get-go.
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Actually I had picked one (73) up at the end of April because the ads strongly suggested that they would be off sale at the end of that month.
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I'm not too sure if playing it from its own keyboard would help much or not. Even pushing Neo-Soul Studio from the SKPro gets some weird touch/feel issues going. Scaling back the velocity curve on the SK helped with that a lot though. I didn't realize until fairly recently, though, that the internal Rhodes only had the 2 layers, as Niacin pointed out, and the crossfade between them does leave much to be desired. Speaking of the Wurli's, I was able to coax a fairly decent Wurli out of it. One thing I was too dumb to think about on my own, but Another Scott suggested, was doing a Rhodes in both extra voice slots and having on be just pure delay effect. Layering two of them together got some strange type of "out of phase' tone and since autopan and delay are in the same effects slot you had to program one with autopan and one with delay. With Scott's suggestion it sounded much better with just the delay and no actual original signal coming out of one of the sections.
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Thanks also for posting the clips. In the past I've complained about the Rhodes in the SKPro & wondered if I was being too harsh since some other people didn't mind it as much. Now after listening to these, I can say "The prosecution rests, Your Honor". Vindication has been achieved 🙂
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I've expressed general displeasure with the extra voices on the Pro in a couple of other threads. I had ended up using an iPad for electric and acoustic pianos sounds. I also thought the clav in the SK-1 was much better and the Rhodes & Wurli sounds on the Sk-1 more usable. The Pro does have a pretty good amount of programmability for synth sounds though (talking about the polyphonic ones in the other instruments section - I didn't really dive into the separate mono synth section that much.) I have the Gemini module also but found that between it & the Pro the velocity curves can be somewhat wonky, mostly the fault of the Pro, I believe. If the Gemini had the adjustable velocity curves that came out in the piano app from GSi it would probably be a match made in heaven. Of course, this is all just my opinion, and we know what they say about opinions.
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Thanks, Reezekeys. Sounds good. I'm off to a Sunday performance right now & won't have the chance to see how well I can integrate VB3m with the Nautilus until at least tomorrow. I had done a quick "run BX-3 from the iPad & see if the Nautilus will play it" test last week but didn't get into the nits & gnats of programming, and it worked well.
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Thanks for the replies Baldwin and Reezekeys. My current setup is a Korg Nautilus 73 so it should send out a program change every time I call up a voice, plus I can go directly from the phone or pad through the usb-b on the back of the Nautilus, eliminating the need for a separate audio cord . In theory I should be able to get good Hammond sounds out of the Nautilus but so far that hasn’t been working out as well as it should. Thanks again.
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Thanks for the reply, Baldwin. I really like BX-3 also but can't find a way to port it over to the phone. I'll probably still use it for most scenarios but will try to program the VB3m to a useable set of presets & download it onto the phone for a situation that calls for a phone only setup. Thanks again.
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I've been looking into adding the VB3m app into my arsenal for iPhone & iPad. However, some of the reviews complain about the inability to store your own presets. Those reviews are 2 years old though and I was wondering if that issue has been fixed. I had emailed an inquiry into GSI a few weeks ago but never got an answer. I have the BX-3 and really like it but it doesn't seem to be available for the phone. Does anyone know if the VB3m can store user's edits and presets? Thanks.
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I did this one some time ago in a jazz trio and did the horn lines on organ. Just eliminate the top trumpet part & fill in what's below and you should do alright, and your version would sound better than mine since there's an actual horn player doing a part. Plus with the trio I was also doing LH Bass.
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5 hours ago, D. Gauss said:
I hate Apple and their disposable, planned obsolescence, sooo much. Unfortunately, using some of their products and bending over to their technological tyranny is a necessary evil.
What he said!!!!
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Keeping the Soul category included, the great Sam Moore and the great Levi Stubbs. I did see Sam on TV a couple years ago & his voice was starting to crack a little but he kept that high soaring tenor well into his later years.
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1 hour ago, allan_evett said:
The clavs in the Hammond SK1 still smoke all the other hardware-based clavs.
46 minutes ago, Alkeys said:Allan I didn't know the SK1 had good clavs. I had no idea. Good info. That means that the SK Pro and certainly the new XK-4 probably is a good allrounder too.
The SK1 - yes. The SK Pro - no. I've ranted about this a few times on this forum. The SK Pro has the 4 different pickup settings but no "dig", especially on the low notes. The SK1 clav was much stronger all around and, IIRC, a lot of dig. Of course, the SK Pro is a better allrounder than the SK1. The Hammond version of your Yamaha themed rant, so close.....so close.....
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On 3/21/2023 at 2:27 AM, hrestov said:
In the app Gsi sound piano edition there are some samples Rhodes. So I think this new app could be a modelled one, maybe the same sound of crumar seven.
In reality there aren’t much good Rhodes app in iOS now.6 hours ago, ImproKeys said:GSI responded that it will be a mixture of samples and modeling. Not the same as in the Crumar Seven.
I have the GSI Sound Piano Edition and the Rhodes left something to be desired. Hopefully there will be an improvement in the standalone app.
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One of the best organists to listen to to pick up LH bass ideas would be Groove Holmes. He definitely earned his sobriquet and a large part of that was due to his bass lines.
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I saw him a couple of times with Mountain. And "saw him" is the appropriate descriptor, since he wasn't heard at all over the "mountain" of guitar & bass amps. Could be why he left the group.
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10 hours ago, ap297 said:
Appears none of these run on an iPad. Will now have to look for a reasonable windows tablet - any suggestions?
9 hours ago, Reezekeys said:Is that a surprise? The original topic of this thread was choosing plugins for an M1 MacBook Air.
There are quite a few choices for piano plugins available for iPads and multiple threads here talking about them.
That said, I've still been scouring this thread to see if I can pick up any more advice on a good (or better than I have) emulation for iPad.
It seems, for me anyway, Neo-Soul is the best of the ones available at this time. I've tried VTines & Module Pro running their version of Scarbee. Others prefer those and that's totally legitimate. Although using it on an iPad, the following observation will probably apply to Mac & PC as well: With the Neo-Soul Rhodes and Wurlys less is definitely more. When you blend 2 different main sounds, e.g., Mark I & Mark V together they have a slightly out of phase sound. Even more so for the Wurlys. My latest iteration of a Rhodes is just one sound (Nu Mark V is the weapon of choice for the moment), no color or mod in the control section, filter all the way open & no resonance, no artifacts (release, attack, tines, etc.) and just the 10 band equalizer. It seems to sound better than throwing a whole lot of additions into the mix. Of course, I'll put the auto-pan or delay on as needed.
The video AnotherScott put up it very interesting too. Makes me wish Keyscape & Arturia were available for iOS. It's also interesting on how one brand will sound great on one of the examples & then sound like hammered dog feces on another. Of course, they're using different presets from the individual softwares instead of picking one sound on each & sticking with it.
Motion Sound KP-408SX Question
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Thanks again. The 408 I have does have the 2 rear ports. There was a pretty comprehensive review of the new line by Mitch Towne a while ago that I was looking for but, owing to my negligible skills at using the search engine on this forum, have been unable to find. It seems like it was at least a year ago though so it may be the S line as opposed to the SX one.