MIDIdiot Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 After a number of mths reading kb mag and this ultra cool forum, I keep seeing references to the various piano sounds, wurly, rhodes, clav etc. I'm pretty sure I know what these all are but how about a song that you think highlights very well, the sound if one wanted to really get the picture. Here's some off the top of my head (and I may be wrong) rhodes: riders on the storm wurlitzer: logical song clav: superstitious (intro) hohner pianet: not sure bout this one mellotron: never been too sure but recently read was used on strawberry fields, I guess was used to imitate any number of sounds...Genesis used this a lot ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 You're right about the other sounds (and I'm also in the dark about the Pianet) but probably the best example of the Mellotron was the Moody Blues' Knights in White Satin , where you'll hear it "do" strings and choir (the flute was real). ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Fiala Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 A good example of Hohner pianet is the Zombies "She's not there" and many other of Argent's early songs. Tom F. "It is what it is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIDIdiot Posted August 17, 2004 Author Share Posted August 17, 2004 A good example of Hohner pianet is the Zombies "She's not there" I haven't heard this in quite some time but IIRC, it's sort of wurly sounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Fiala Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 This link might help. e piano link Tom F. "It is what it is." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Rhythm Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 This is a fun site for keyboards of John Paul Jones (Led Zeppelin). http://www.geocities.com/jpjkeys/index.html David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by Tom Fiala: A good example of Hohner pianet is the Zombies "She's not there" and many other of Argent's early songs.Funny, I could swear that's a Wurlitzer. ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIDIdiot Posted August 17, 2004 Author Share Posted August 17, 2004 Perhaps wurly and pianet are not too far apart then. As for JPJ, wow, I never realized he played keys, I always figured it was a session guy. What did they do in concert? Thanks for the website info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbrock1san.rr.com Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Originally posted by InTheDark: As for JPJ, wow, I never realized he played keys, I always figured it was a session guy. What did they do in concert?In concert John Paul Jones played keyboards on many songs while playing bass pedals. Stairway to Heaven, Thank You, Trampled Under Foot, No Quarter, etc. He also played a mean mandolin in concert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLearman Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Another good example of mellotron is the string sounds and sound FX like birds in Yessongs (by Yes). As a live album recorded back in 73 or so, we're assured that the mellotron sound is relatively unadultered by postprocessing. No doubt some live fx were used, but I don't think anyone even made a decent stereo chorus back then. I don't know what "logical song" is. I believe "Do It Again" by Steel Dan is a good example of a wurlitzer. That's from memory, though -- just possible it's a rhodes and my memory is at fault. There are some songs with parts where I find it hard to tell whether it's a rhodes or a wurlie -- hard to imagine since they sound so different when played. Maybe I just need a better stereo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Originally posted by InTheDark: hohner pianet: not sure bout this oneListen to early Genesis. IIRC, Tony Banks used a Hohner Pianet T on Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot before replacing it with an RMI piano for the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. mellotron: never been too sure but recently read was used on strawberry fields, I guess was used to imitate any number of sounds...Genesis used this a lot ??Indeed they did, as did King Crimson, the Moody Blues, Yes and quite a few others . The Mellotron isn't a piano, though - it's basically a giant tape player. Each key triggered it's own seven or eight second piece of tape that had a few different sounds recorded on it. The most widely used/recognized Mellotron sounds were strings, flute and choir. Here\'s more if you're interested. dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrancedelicBlues Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Originally posted by learjeff: I don't know what "logical song" is. When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful, a miracle, oh it was beautiful, magical. And all the birds in the trees, well they'd be singing so happily, joyfully, playfully watching me. But then they send me away to teach me how to be sensible, logical, responsible, practical. And they showed me a world where I could be so dependable, clinical, intellectual, cynical... There are times when all the world's asleep, the questions run too deep for such a simple man. Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned I know it sounds absurd but please tell me who I am. Now watch what you say or they'll be calling you a radical, liberal, fanatical, criminal... Won't you sign up your name, we'd like to feel you're acceptable, respecable, presentable, a vegtable... At night, when all the world's asleep, the questions run so deep for such a simple man. Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned I know it sounds absurd but please tell me who I am . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Pink Floyd used a Wurly for the Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here albums. The best single Clav track I can think of is "Play With Me" from Jeff Beck's Wired, on which Max Middleton played Clav extensively. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Rhythm Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Three Dog Night used a wurlie on Joy To The World and Momma Told Me Not To Come. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Originally posted by learjeff: I believe "Do It Again" by Steel Dan is a good example of a wurlitzer. That's from memory, though -- just possible it's a rhodes and my memory is at fault. I think that may be a Rhodes. However, Steely Dans' "Dirty Work" is definately a Wurli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIDIdiot Posted August 18, 2004 Author Share Posted August 18, 2004 And also from what I've been reading, it seems these 'classic' ep sounds are some of the most sought after sounds today, together with great analog sounds from the '80s. It's that this would be the trend for kb instruments, being the most (only) tech advanced instruments in music. So why do you think that is? The simple answer might be, they just sound awesome but I'm curious what else you guys think. Maybe Mick Jagger was right when he said there's no such thing as new music, everything is recycled. Lastly, I'm killing myself because last year I bought an EMU B3 module, wholesale, when I could have gotten the vintage instead. What was I thinking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffLearman Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Ah, yes -- logical song -- guess I just never knew the name, but I certainly remember it. Supertramp definitely used a lot of wurlie. Never had one myself but played 'em a number of times. I always just wished the keyboard went a bit lower. I'm listening to "Do It Again" right now and I'm sure it's a wurlie. It's listed as that on the web page linked to above (along with a number of other interesting examples). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABECK Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Originally posted by learjeff: I'm listening to "Do It Again" right now and I'm sure it's a wurlie. It's listed as that on the web page linked to above (along with a number of other interesting examples).Right on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 For the older guys, I believe Joe Zawinul played a Wurlitzer electric piano with Cannonball Adderly on the tune Mercy, Mercy, Mercy. (I'm dating myself, I know.) No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanjoe Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Was the Beatles' "Strawberry Fields" intro on a mellotron? "Learn the changes, then forget them." -Charlie Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Immo Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I do believe it was a Mellotron flute sample. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bryce Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Originally posted by Immordino: I do believe it was a Mellotron flute sample.Yep. Played by McCartney, IIRC. I believe it was the first time a Mellotron was used on a pop record. dB ==> David Bryce Music • Funky Young Monks <== Professional Affiliations: Royer Labs • Music Player Network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanjoe Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 A Classic track. The Beatles used the Wurly as well. I think on the white album's "Savoy Truffle" "Learn the changes, then forget them." -Charlie Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Originally posted by Dave Bryce: Originally posted by Immordino: I do believe it was a Mellotron flute sample.Yep. Played by McCartney, IIRC. I believe it was the first time a Mellotron was used on a pop record. dBHave you listened to Abby Road lately? I can't believe there was so much synthesizer on it. At the time of release, I never really heard the parts - probably just wasn't aware they existed. I think Abby Road may have seen one of the first extensive uses of a synth on a pop record . ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend Rhythm Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 If you go to the GMEDIA site (http://www.gmediamusic.com/) and listen to the audio demo for the M-Tron, you'll hear that Strawberry Fields flute. Well, I guess you could go out and buy Magical Mystery Tour too. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
synthizen2 Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Originally posted by Tom Fiala: A good example of Hohner pianet is the Zombies "She's not there" and many other of Argent's early songs.Another example of Hohner Pianet for prog/avantgarde folks is Mike Ratledge's work in Soft Machine around the time of Third (esp. "Slightly All the Time"). Kurzweil PC3, Yamaha MOX8, Alesis Ion, Kawai K3M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanjoe Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Have you listened to Abby Road lately? I can't believe there was so much synthesizer on it. At the time of release, I never really heard the parts - probably just wasn't aware they existed. I think Abby Road may have seen one of the first extensive uses of a synth on a pop record . Yes, there is a minimoog that George used in "Here Comes The Sun" for the leads in the changing meters. "Learn the changes, then forget them." -Charlie Parker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawback Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 "... it seems like years since it's been clear." ____________________________________ Rod Here for the gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Nope, not a mini. It was a full modular Moog. You'll find it almost throughout Here Comes The Sun. In addition, it's (of course) the 'wind' sound in I Want You (She's So Heavy), and it's the primary instrument in Because. Plus it's heard in other places on that record. Originally posted by hermanjoe: Yes, there is a minimoog that George used in "Here Comes The Sun" for the leads in the changing meters. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 "Don't Let Me Down" a Wurlitzer? "Get Back" a Rhodes? Harry was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 800 of Harry's solo piano arrangements and tutorials at https://www.patreon.com/HarryLikas These arrangements are for teaching solo piano chording using Harry's 2+2 harmony method. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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