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Stage Piano.. Need help.


Auricae

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Hi everyone,

 

I am new here. I was hoping you could all give me some insight into buying a new stage piano. I am a student (so my budget is limited) and I am just starting to play jazz piano. I have been looking through some magazines with various stage piano's (such as the Kurzweil sp-88x and the Yamaha P90) as well as browsing this forum a bit to try and glean some info. Of course, I will visit the store eventually to try them out.

 

What are your recommendations for a stage piano? There are 3 factors that are most important to my decision:

1) Price - Something under 1000$, and the cheaper, the better.

2) Keyboard action - I want something that I can practice my jazz on. The most realistic keyboard action.

3) Sound of piano - I already own a synthesizer, so I don't care about any of the other sounds. I only care that it has 1 good piano sound.

 

Which do you all recommend? I am sorry if this topic has been covered to death. Your input is greatly appreciated!

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I like my sp88x. Yamahas are good, too; I've owned them as well. Just play some at the music stores and get the one you like that you can afford. Obsessing over equipment never made anybody a better player, but an instrument you like can bring out the best. The main thing is to take some lessons and practice. All the time you are looking around you could be playing scales!
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I guess I should focus my question a bit then: if you could pick one stage piano using the criteria I mentioned above, which would it be? The Kurzweil sp-88x, the yamaha p90, or something else?

 

If you guys could just throw out your favorites with a quick blurb on why, that would help me focus my search and only try out piano's that are worthwhile.

 

I tried searching through the forums for info on this topic, and though there are some comparisons between the kurzweil and the p90, nobody really mentions any other real contenders. Are these the only 2 really good stage piano's in this price range?

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I think the Kurzweil SP series has a different (older) piano sample than the newer, and more expensive, PC2X - so you should really compare the P90 sound with the PC2X.

You could also check the Kawai ES3; slightly less expensive than the Yamaha (in my country at least), but also, the keyboard action is slightly less satisfactory in my opinion. So there seems to be a reason most people are recommending the Yamaha P90 or P120 (the latter is quite similar, but with built-in speakers); their performance/price ratio is truly exceptional.

 

I'm also told the newest Roland digital piano has an excellent action and sound - sorry, I forgot the model name, FP-something perhaps. You could check that one too.

Anyone knows for sure?

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Great! Any more suggestions? Seems like the yamaha p90 is winning so far...

 

Also, in your opinions, would it be okay to practice jazz on a stage piano or would this hurt my technique and ability to play?

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2) Keyboard action - I want something that I can practice my jazz on. The most realistic keyboard action.

 

If keyboard action is also important for you than you really need a P series piano.

P-90 or P-120 but no P-60.

Good luck with your choice.... :)

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Thanks for the advice. I will definitely go check them out before I buy them. I want to have a good idea before I head in though, of what I want.

 

I also noticed some other stage piano's in the same price range that nobody seems to mention. What do you all think of the Alesis QS8.2 or the Korg RD-170 (which is starting to push out of my price range)?

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For a stage piano under or $1000, check out the Yamaha p90. Its a great stage piano. If you can spend some more $$$, then check out the Yamaha p120. It is da bomb!

 

Regards,

p120dUdE

My Gear: Yamaha P120 Professional Stage Piano, Yamaha CS1x Synthesizer, Yamaha MSP5 Monitors, Behringer Eurorack UB802 Mixer

Music I Play: Classical, Jazz, Blues, Classic Rock, Rock

 

The Yamaha P120 Pro. Stage Piano is absolutely superb, fantastic, awesome! It rocks!

 

Chris M.

West Brook Music Studio, New England USA

Yamaha P120 Specialist

 

My Synth Group

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I don't think you could go too wrong with most of what has been mentioned. I was in the same situation as you and (a pianist looking for the best action first and then the best sound). Though I ended up going with the RD-700 (a little more than I first wanted to spend - took me an extra six months of saving!), I would recommend looking at the Roland FP's. The current model is the $1300 FP-2:

 

http://www.kraftmusic.com/catalog/digitalpianos/stagepianos/index.asp?product=2811

 

You might be able to find an older FP-3 on clearance for $1000 or $900:

 

http://www.bananas.com/productdetail.asp/pid_60/productname_Roland-FP-3-Digital-Piano

 

Unlike most of the other manufacturers' entry- or mid-level products (and even unlike Roland's own RD-170), the FP-2 and FP-3 utilize Roland's top-of-the-line PA-5 action, which felt best to me of all the keyboards I played. I am extremely picky about action (I am a piano player not really into synths, etc.) and this just felt right - much better to me than the Yamahas. This is one of those personal things and it seems Yamaha action is the most popular around here...but I just wanted to throw in a vote for Roland's PA-5 action (found on RD-700, FP-2, but not the RD-170). What you are paying for in something like the FP-2 is awesome action and very good piano sound and not a whole lot else. These are also marketed more as home units than stage pianos, for what it's worth.

 

I actually considered the QS8.2 quite a bit (probably because I started my journey thinking about the fact that I had always wanted a QS8 when they first came out). There are two problems: the action was changed on the QS8.2 (the 8 and 8.1 feel better to me), and the sound technology is dated: the piano sample seems stagnant, I think because - though it is a pretty good sound quality (to my ears) - nonetheless it isn't sampled at multiple strike velocities...so there isn't as much expressiveness. But if you want to save a lot of money, you might consider paying $650 for a used QS8 or QS8.1.

 

Good luck! Play as many as you can and see what you like and can afford. (I just went through this - it's a hard decision, isn't it?!)

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Don't forget about the difference in key action in the Yamaha P series. Of course, Dave Horne's earlier post (9 posts back), "Why do people complain about the heavy action of the P series" is real good. Also, go to Harmony-Central.com and choose "Synths/Keyboards", then click on "Manufacturers". There are some good comments on the P series, and others.

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Wow.. thanks for all the great advice guys! This really helps a lot. I dropped by the store today and played some of the pianos. I really liked the P120.

 

Actually, I thought the P120 sounded and felt a little better than the P90. Anyone else notice this? Though they were very similar, the P120 seemed to have a slight edge.

 

I also tried out the Roland and Alesis, but I didn't particularly like either. I think I may end up going with the P120. The speakers on it seem a bit weak, but should do the job for my personal use at home. If I ever need better speakers, I figure I can get them later.

 

I will probably keep looking around for another couple weeks, so please keep the suggestions coming!

 

Also, anyone have any ideas of the best place to purchase the keyboard? I am looking to buy it online, so I don't have to pay sales tax. Also, a place that doesn't charge S&H, is reputable, and perhaps throws in a few extras (such as a stand or a case) would be nice.

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Originally posted by Auricae:

Also, anyone have any ideas of the best place to purchase the keyboard? I am looking to buy it online, so I don't have to pay sales tax. Also, a place that doesn't charge S&H, is reputable, and perhaps throws in a few extras (such as a stand or a case) would be nice.

Froogle

 

Enter the brand name and model and you'll be given prices and places. All the best, Dave

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I just checked 8thSt.com and they have a P120 that comes with a stand for $1,195 and free shipping. Also, I've found that if you get a decent quote from someone else first - Then you can usually get them to budge a little when you give them that price. And it also is good to call - Not just to go with the posted price that they show on line.
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Hey guys,

 

I've pretty much decided to buy the P120. Now, I just have to pick the color :)

 

I only saw the silver version. I like the black version from pictures, but I'm afraid it might look cheesy in real life. Thoughts?

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I own a p120 and I LOVE it!! Its absolutely superb! :cool:

 

I have the black wood finish. It looks awesome. The wood finish adds the wood touch of a piano.

 

By the way, enjoy your p120, it is da bomb! If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me. The first thing you have to check out is the beatiful and superb "Grand Piano 1".

 

Regards,

p120dUdE :)

My Gear: Yamaha P120 Professional Stage Piano, Yamaha CS1x Synthesizer, Yamaha MSP5 Monitors, Behringer Eurorack UB802 Mixer

Music I Play: Classical, Jazz, Blues, Classic Rock, Rock

 

The Yamaha P120 Pro. Stage Piano is absolutely superb, fantastic, awesome! It rocks!

 

Chris M.

West Brook Music Studio, New England USA

Yamaha P120 Specialist

 

My Synth Group

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Originally posted by p120dUdE:

I own a p120 and I LOVE it!! Its absolutely superb! :cool:

 

I have the black wood finish. It looks awesome. The wood finish adds the wood touch of a piano.

 

By the way, enjoy your p120, it is da bomb! If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me. The first thing you have to check out is the beatiful and superb "Grand Piano 1".

 

Regards,

p120dUdE :)

P120dude, you love the P120? I never would have guessed. :)

No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message.

 

In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments.

 

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Hey P120dude,

 

Do you plug your P120 into additional speakers or use it as is for your home? I plugged the P120 into a pair of KRK RP5 (300 for the pair) at Guitar Center and I thought the sound was 10X better....I'm wondering if it's worth the extra money for the speakers.

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Originally posted by Auricae:

Hey P120dude,

 

Do you plug your P120 into additional speakers or use it as is for your home? I plugged the P120 into a pair of KRK RP5 (300 for the pair) at Guitar Center and I thought the sound was 10X better....I'm wondering if it's worth the extra money for the speakers.

I found the speakers on the P120 a bit lightweight. Actually distracts from the quality of the p120

 

regards

alby

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Originally posted by Auricae:

I plugged the P120 into a pair of KRK RP5 (300 for the pair) at Guitar Center and I thought the sound was 10X better....I'm wondering if it's worth the extra money for the speakers.

The difference between the P120 and the P90 is not just the speakers & amp. It is voiced differently (even though it apparently uses the same sample ROM). Thus, if you plugged the P90 and P120 into the same sound system, they will sound different.
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I just bought a P120 a few months back and got it @ my local Guitar Center for $999 including tax. I printed off an online quote and they did a price match, no questions asked. I was happy with that deal and didn't have to wait for it to ship.

 

Go here: http://www.instrumentpro.com/page/MUO/PROD/250/YAMP120

 

Put in your email address where it says "SALE" and they'll send you a coupon for $100 off their price of $1099. print that off and take it with you. You should be able work the same deal.

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