Throatsinger Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 [img]http://www.bigskyrocks.com/kbanner.jpg[/img] Perhaps some here would be interested in this. I recently started the International Association for Harmonic Singing. You can find out about it at http://khoomei.com and also I invite you to visit our new EZBoard at http://pub84.ezboard.com/bkhoomaniacs . Do stop by, and make some funny noises! Steve Sklar/Big Sky Steve Sklar http://khoomei.com http://www.bigskyrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 Hi, Steve. Either my computer's busted, or you need to fix the first link in your post. Looks interesting, I'll check it out. https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogfur Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 Cool Steve! Bela Fleck and the FLecktones "Live at the Quick" ( CD or DVD ) features tunes utilizing a Tuvan throat singer for those interested in a good example of this technique. Woof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 I checked the code in your post, and you simply forgot to insert the "www" in the URL. That was easy enough to fix, but I am having one heck of a time opening the main page of the site. I also tried to d/l a music sample, but it was taking FOREVER, and I'm on a T1 connection. It [i]should[/i] be lightning fast, but it's slothly slow. Kinda frustrating, because the site seems very interesting. I'm guessing that your server is insufficient, or your files are too big, or [i]something[/i]. My computer and connection are working just fine on other sites. :confused: https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throatsinger Posted December 3, 2002 Author Share Posted December 3, 2002 Oops, Sorry about the glitch. I don't know what happened, but I couldn't get in for a few minutes. It's working fine now. It's not necessary to add "www" to http://khoomei.com Dogfur, you're referring to Kongar-ool Ondar. He's ok, but some of the singers on my videos page are better! Try the Huun-Huur-Tu vids. There are also videos of my own throat-singing. Enjoy, Steve Sklar http://www.bigskyrocks.com Steve Sklar http://khoomei.com http://www.bigskyrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 Hmmm... that WAS weird. I don't know what happened either, but your site is working just fine now. When I typed in the "www" before, it seemed to respond, whereas without it, I got nothing. Strange, but like I said, it's working perfectly now. I listened to some of your music and I am impressed. That's pretty cool stuff. Great production and guitar playing, too. You use one of my favorite mixing techniques on the lead guitar reverb in the song Siberia. I liked that song a lot! And the harmonic singing really adds something special to that tune. So, I kind of have a grasp of the Kargyraa technique, but maybe you could briefly explain the Sygyt technique. Are you producing a "whistle" with your lips while simultaneously singing through your vocal chords? Is [i]that[/i] how that works? VERY interesting. https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogfur Posted December 3, 2002 Share Posted December 3, 2002 Great, I'll check it out when I get home - my office hookup is not letting me download anything - thanks... Woof! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throatsinger Posted December 4, 2002 Author Share Posted December 4, 2002 Bunny, Thanks, glad you liked "Siberia." Which gtr effect are you talking about? Techniques in a nutshell... Kargyraa requires singing with both the ventricular folds ("false vocal folds") and the usual vocal folds. The ventricular folds react to the vocal folds, producing a second harmonic series, with a fundamental an octave below the "normal" voice. That gets the raw material, which is then manipulated with the upper throat and mouth to create the singing style. That's the most basic concept, anyways. Fo Sygyt, as in all khoomei styles, you must breathe from the abdomen. This provides a steady air supply and frees the chest and throat of unnecessary tension. You need to: 1. constrict inside the larynx using the aretynoids and related tissues, which puts tension on and nearly occludes the vocal folds. This tension brightens the harmonic series of the voice, and rolls off the lower harmonics. 2. Balance the air pressure from down below with the amount of constriction in the larynx; 3. Use the root of the tongue, which ends way down near the root of the epiglottis and forms the front surface of the upper throat, to select the desired melodic harmonics (It's basically dividing an air-column wind instrument); 4. Position the tongue kinda like a canoe, with the tip near where the upper teeth meet the gums, and tip it a bit to one side. By forming a nearly sealed cavity, it either creates the correct sized resonant cavity (one school of thought) or serves as a filter. 5. Channel the sound from a small opening at the rear left or right side of the mouth, out along the teeth, helping to brighten the tone (just like a tile bathroom!). 6. Nearly close the jaws, but create an aperture with the lips similar to the bell of a clarinet, and channel the sound out. Of course, there are the details, but that would take some time! And there are many styles of khoomei, including hybrids... Here's an example of my sygyt, from Big Sky's Fire in the Water. It starts the tune, along with the cymbal: http://content.1sound.com/play.php?ArtistID=14164&SongID=1831&ListenType=hi&name=Big_Sky-Fire_in_the_Water . YMMV, Steve Sklar Steve Sklar http://khoomei.com http://www.bigskyrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bunny Knutson Posted December 4, 2002 Share Posted December 4, 2002 Wow, Steve! Thanks for the detailed instructions. I think I'll try that later on, when I'm not surrounded by other people! ;) [quote]Originally posted by Steve Sklar: [b]Which gtr effect are you talking about?[/b][/quote]Oh, I'm talking about panning the lead instrument to one side, and panning that instrument's reverb over to the other side. BIG sound! I thought I detected that technique on the lead guitar in your song Siberia. Anyway, it sounded great! :thu: https://bunny.bandcamp.com/ https://theystolemycrayon.bandcamp.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throatsinger Posted December 4, 2002 Author Share Posted December 4, 2002 Oh, the panning, yeah, I like that sometimes. Go easy on the practicing. Don't hurt yourself! Dang! Why did this thread go "fat?" Steve Sklar/Big Sky http://www.bigskyrocks.com Steve Sklar http://khoomei.com http://www.bigskyrocks.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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