Philip OKeefe Posted December 18, 2000 Share Posted December 18, 2000 Originally posted by Mike Van Winkle: It is indeed very stable. Mine came with o.s. v1.03, but the v1.10 update was posted last night on the egroups/aw4416 list. Yamaha recommends you wait till they send you the CD rather than using the CD image on the list, but several users say it works fine. Hey Mike: can you psot the URL for this? Thanks! Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html EMAIL: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted December 18, 2000 Share Posted December 18, 2000 Yeah, I just got my OS v1.10 CD in the mail yesterday and did the upgrade. It definitely improves disk performance, as well as fixes a couple of bugs which I did run into a couple of times but were easily remedied. I still have a few minor beefs about performance - some operations are instantaneous while others seeem to take a long time as compared to say, the VS-1680. I think this is part of the price of uncompressed audio, and I really have no beef with that - it's still faster than a tape transport http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif, and the sonic quality really does blow away the competition. Back to doing a couple of bizarre experiments this evening with the AW... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Van Winkle Posted December 18, 2000 Share Posted December 18, 2000 Hi Phil, There are a couple of sites for the AW you should check out. The more active is the list on egroups http://www.egroups.com/group/AW4416 , and a user run site with more drive info and copies of the update image. I'd recommend calling Yamaha and make sure you're registered. They'll send you an update real quick. Anyways the other site is http://www.socialentropy.com/aw4416/ wink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted December 18, 2000 Share Posted December 18, 2000 Mike: Thanks for the info on the sites. I just like to see what is being said about this unit by other users. I have already received my update CD-ROM and installed it. I had to register over the phone the first time I called tech support regarding the sync issues I was dealing with, and when I asked them if I should also send in the warranty card, they said "no". Then I got a second warranty card in the mail with a notice about the new software upgrade being released. When I called Yamaha to confirm that I was indeed already registered, they said that I was, but to either fill out and mail in the card or to go online and do it there. So, to expidite things, I went online and submitted my info. For anyone interested, The online site is at: http://www.yamaha.com/proaudio/products/aw4416_upgrade.htm That's where I saw the blurb about the "free quickstart video" To quote Yamaha: >>To receive V1.1 and a free Quick Start Video, ($30.00 value) please complete all information below. Required fields( indicated with an * ) must be completed to register, (U.S. Customers only).<< Like I said, I got the upgrade CD last week, but no video yet. Has anyone received a copy of this video? Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html EMAIL: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted December 18, 2000 Share Posted December 18, 2000 Hi Phil, Great review, and I agree with most everything you said. The converters and pre's are surprisingly good, as well as most of the effects if you take the time to tweak them. Delays in particular are very clean and nice, and it's really easy to sync the repeats with the tempo of the song. The only "effect" that really sucks is the guitar amp simulation, which I gotta say, REALLY sucks. Good thing I have a POD and a couple of great amps. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif I agree also that eventually most of us are going to end up needing expansion boards. I'll probably start with another 8 channels of analog in's because I do like to track several live instruments at once, and also I would like to try doing some live recordings of bands. Any of you AW owners tried that yet? Anybody used the "All Rec" mode (automatically arms all 16 tracks to record simultaneously)? And Phil, I'm in the same boat as you - got my OS update but not the video. They really do need to get some better training and documentation in place (I agree the lack of an index is really bad), because the machine would be totally daunting to a novice with no previous engineering experience. Even for those of us with lots of experience in the analog world but little with digital, it'd be nice to have an "applications" manual which would demonstrate some of the machine's capabilities in different applications and how to do it. Yamaha REALLY could have done better in this department. Otherwise, I'm really happy so far. The converters are very transparent going in and out of external effects, including using my Ampex 350 1/4" machine as a delay. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif The dynamics on the AW are decent enough, as I tend to be sparing with dynamics unless I want "colored" compression, in which case I have my JoeMeek's! --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted December 18, 2000 Share Posted December 18, 2000 Hi Lee: I agree - the amp sim. on the AW is a joke, and the POD is a REALLY cool box! In answer to your question, I do live bands with my AW all the time. I like the "feel" of players going at the song together, and that's why I need more than the 8 "stock" mic inputs. Plus, our clients would probably rebel if we couldn't do things this way. I use outboard pre's and send them into an ADAT's inputs, and bus them out via lightpipe and into the AW. Works great! I usually am tracking anywhere from 6 to 10 mics on drums, a couple of guitar mics (or 2 channels of POD), a Bass DI through a tube pre and comp, maybe a stereo keyboard and a scratch vocal on the "typical" rhythm track session. I usually don't hit 16 tracks on those, so I really have not used the "All Rec" function yet. I have a few more beefs I forgot to mention before, but they came up again on yesterday's session: I wish the Automation's Event Edit page had a "Delete All Events" of a given type (mute/Faders, etc.) for a user specified region. This would be useful for deleting just the mutes on one track for say, the bridge without having to go in and delete them one by one. Another big one is that I wish you could "solo" more than one track at a time. Okay, okay, then it wouldn't be a "solo", but it still would be useful to see how the vocals are interacting with the BGV's without having to mute dozens of other tracks. Also, the track delays only max out at 54.2 ms, and that makes it more difficult to use one of my FAVORITE CRAIG ANDERTON TRICKS: I read about this in EM years ago: Want to get that "analog sound" on your tracks? If you track directly to analog and transfer to digital, that MIGHT work, but there are potential problems. If you "slam" the tape too hard on an analog machine, you get too much saturation, and you either have to live with it or go back and re-do the take. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif Hit it too "soft" and your S/N ratio sux. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif CRAIG ANDERTON SOLUTION: Track to digital. Then route the digital machine's outputs to your favorite 3 head analog deck (anything from a 3 head cassette to a 2" 24 track - I use our old Otari analog multitrack). Put it into "record mode". Route the analog deck's outputs into some unused digital tracks. Arm them for record. MAKE SURE THE ANALOG DECK IS SET TO MONITOR THE PLAYBACK HEAD AND NOT THE RECORD HEAD (ie DON'T use simul - sync, etc.). Adjust the analog record levels to taste for the amount of saturation you want. Make sure the record levels on the digital deck are not clipping. Roll both machines. Don't worry about sync (yet). What happens is that the digital tracks go out to the 3 head analog deck, where they are recorded onto tape. Several milliseconds later, they hit the "playback" head, and are sent out the analog machine's outputs, which you've routed into "fresh" digital tracks, where you re-record them. The problem is, you'll have a delay between when the signal is recorded on the analog's record head vs. when it is "played back" on the analog machine's repo head. This delay will depend on the tape speed and physical distance between the two heads. At 15 ips, I have about a 73 ms delay. So, the NEW "analog warmed" tracks on the digital machine will be slightly LATE compared to the original digital "source" tracks. The solution to that is to delay all the unaffected digital tracks by that same amount (in my case, 73 ms). Since the Yamaha tops out at 54.2 ms of delay, I am forced to use other means (can you say "computer editing?" Vegas to the rescue!) to get the tracks back into sync. The BIG advantages to this technique is that you can track digitally, and use the analog machine as an "analog tone" effects unit. You retain the original source tracks, so you can try it multiple times and still have the original tracks as a backup, and avoid having to re-take that "perfect" performance. Plus, you can experiment not only with different amounts of tape saturation, but also with different tape brands, etc. And you can always "undo" by reverting back to the original digital source tracks or by trying it again with different settings. I know ther's various "tape saturation" plug ins available that supposedly do the same thing - we have several of them and we do use them, but to MY ears, they don't sound exactly the same as the "REEL thing". (Bad pun, sorry!) This is a GREAT TECHNIQUE - MANY thanks Craig!!! Of course, using an analog deck as a delay is also a nice technique... Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted December 18, 2000 Share Posted December 18, 2000 Phil - Craig and I must be spiritual twins http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif, because I've done almost that same "trick" with the AW and my Ampex. One difference is, I trust the Ampex enough to know I won't oversaturate it so I go straight into the Ampex and then off the playback head into the AW. But why use a delay on all the unaffected tracks? To get rid of the delay on the analog track, I just use track editing to delete it at the front of the tune, and if I don't get it exactly right I just undo and redo it till it is. Sounds awesome! --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 Lee: You're right - just cutting a few ms off the front of the "analogized" tracks with the AW's editing would work great - thx for the tip! In the old days (before the AW) I was using a Mackie 32*8 and 4 ADAT's, so I used the method listed above and used ADAT track delays on our BRC to align the signals. I'm not a big fan of the AW's editing, but since our system is set up to "fly" tracks around into the computer easily, I don't mind doing it that way. Besides, I'm a propellerhead and like to get things "just so". http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Still, for doing it quickly and for those using the AW without the benefit of off line computer editing, it's the perfect solution to the problem. Good point! Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 Heheh.. yeah, if you're used to computer editing the AW's editing is a little hard to get used to. But, since my background is analog I actually find it easier (or at least, just as easy in most cases) to work with audio cues as opposed to visual ones like waveform editing. I just use the jog wheel to audibly find my exact locate points, punch them into memory, hit track edit and then perform copy or erase or whatever I'm doing, between the locate points. --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 12-18-2000 at 04:26 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 Phil: >>Another big one is that I wish you could "solo" more than one track at a time. << You can, actually. Just go into the Setup screen and go to the "Solo Setup" page. Under "Sel Mode" select "Mix Solo" (it defaults to "Last Solo", which means only the channel whose "on" key was pressed last will be soloed... I thought "Why would anyone want to leave that option on!", but at least you can get around it!). At that point, whenever the "solo" button is engaged, all tracks for which you select the "ON" button will solo. --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderton Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 Wow, what a great thread. I wish we had one of these for every piece of gear. What a great resource. Phil, fantastic job on the review and addenda. Don't underestimate your writing abilities!! BTW I'm pretty sure the analog tape trick was written up for EQ, not EM. For some reason, people really groove on that tip. The other one that people really responded to was the mixing with white noise thang I wrote about in Keyboard. You never know what's going to tickle people's fancies... But I digress, back to the AW! I feel like I've operated the thing just by reading your posts. To me, that's what makes a review really good. And to have the back and forth between Phil, Lee, et al is the best. Craig Anderton Educational site: http://www.craiganderton.org Music: http://www.youtube.com/thecraiganderton Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/craig_anderton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 Lee Flier wrote: >>I still have a few minor beefs about performance - some operations are instantaneous while others seem to take a long time as compared to say, the VS-1680. I think this is part of the price of uncompressed audio, and I really have no beef with that - it's still faster than a tape transport , and the sonic quality really does blow away the competition.<< I've noticed some performance issues too. I've had my AW lock up on me about three or four times. It seems like I'm "outpacing" the transport controls a lot of the time. For example, when you hit "stop", it stops right away, but if you hit rewind or RTZ too fast after hitting stop, nothing happens and you have to wait a second and then hit it again. This has caused me lockups on a couple of occasions. The good news is that punching in and out seems to be precise and instantaneous with version 1.10. It's really a matter of getting "acclimated" to a new machine. When I first started using ADAT's back in the early '90's, there was some adjustment required for punching compared to the Ampex 1200's and Otari's (MX-80's and MTR-90's) that I had been using. Every machine punches differently and has its own quirks. In the case of the AW, it's just a matter of getting out of the habit of flying through my transport moves in an effort to get back for the next punch or take. I just have to get used to waiting a second or so before I hit that second transport key. And, if you use locate points, it really IS faster than waiting for tape to rewind, although I still have to wait for ADAT's to lock up with the AW. I REALLY want Yamaha to make it simultaneously MTC AND Word Clock slave capable ASAP. For any other AW / ADAT / BRC users out there, I suggest using a pair of those virtual tracks for a stereo submix of the tape tracks. Use those while doing your overdubs and disengage your ADAT(s). You'll save ADAT head life, lockup time, and frustration. Time is money, new heads are BIG money, and you'll get enough frustration from those musicians out there who require 20 takes and still can't get the part right! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com PS After an 8 hour mixing session and a 4 hour vocal session today, I originally had "vocalist" in that last sentence instead of "musician", but I was afraid my wife (a former RCA artist, and quite good, my obvious bias notwithstanding) might see it and think I was bagging on singers and take offense! This message has been edited by pokeefe777@msn.com on 12-19-2000 at 05:06 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 Lee Flier said: >>Just go into the Setup screen and go to the "Solo Setup" page. Under "Sel Mode" select "Mix Solo" (it defaults to "Last Solo", which means only the channel whose "on" key was pressed last will be soloed... I thought "Why would anyone want to leave that option on!", but at least you can get around it!).<< Oops! I overlooked the tab switch and never even noticed that was on that page. Excuse me, I was having a "DUH!" moment! I can't understand why they set the "Last Solo" as the default either. Works great now though. Thanks Lee! Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted December 19, 2000 Share Posted December 19, 2000 Craig Anderton wrote: >>Wow, what a great thread. I wish we had one of these for every piece of gear. What a great resource.<< I agree with that! We should all be thankful that GP, Keyboard, EQ et al have made it available. The Internet really helps people get opinions and help from a lot of other people of similar interests who might not be available to them in significant numbers locally. That brings up an interesting idea for a new thread. Are studio operators (and home / project studio users in particular) becoming too "solitary"? I mean, technology has advanced to the point where one person can do almost everything by themselves, but is that a good thing? Isn't it the interaction and convergence of multiple opinions part of what makes great music so special? Isn't it too easy to lose your objectivity when doing it all yourself? I'm WAY off topic here, so I'll move this exact question to a new thread (TITLED "Are home studios BAD for music?") and see what people think. >>Phil, fantastic job on the review and addenda. Don't underestimate your writing abilities!!<< Considering the source, I consider that to be a VERY high compliment indeed! (Thanks Craig). I still think "MIDI For Musicians" is the finest book on the subject ever written. I've recommended it to more MIDI newbies and MIDIphobes than any other book because it's so well written and makes a complicated subject easily understood. Even by guitarists! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif (Disclaimer: I'm trained on reeds originally, but I also play guitar, so I should be able to make that joke). >>BTW I'm pretty sure the analog tape trick was written up for EQ, not EM.<< Oops, you're right - my mistake. >> For some reason, people really groove on that tip.<< Maybe it's because people are 1) still reluctant to give up on all those things about analog that they love and 2) because it IS a great tip! >> The other one that people really responded to was the mixing with white noise thang I wrote about in Keyboard. You never know what's going to tickle people's fancies...<< I remember reading about that, and I was intrigued, but I must admit I never tried it. That's the article where you described a technique for using noise to mask things so that you could hear the balance of the mix better, right? Since I keep most of my back issues of all the magazines (much to my wife's regret), could you refer me to the correct year and issue? I'd like to re-read it and give it a try. Thanks! >>But I digress, back to the AW! I feel like I've operated the thing just by reading your posts. To me, that's what makes a review really good. And to have the back and forth between Phil, Lee, et al is the best.<< I really appreciate Lee, and the forum in general. Having the opinions and tricks of other end users (instead of having to wait for tech support) is a MAJOR asset! Thanks everyone! Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com This message has been edited by pokeefe777@msn.com on 12-19-2000 at 05:42 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Aikin Posted December 20, 2000 Share Posted December 20, 2000 Originally posted by pokeefe777@msn.com: For example, when you hit "stop", it stops right away, but if you hit rewind or RTZ too fast after hitting stop, nothing happens and you have to wait a second and then hit it again. This has caused me lockups on a couple of occasions. I never encountered a lockup, but that time lag bothered me too. It also happens when you've inserted a few markers in a song and use the "locate to next/previous" buttons. If you know the marker you want to locate to is #7, and you can see #12 on the screen, don't bother hitting "locate to previous" five times quickly, because the AW4416 (in OS 1.03, at least) doesn't buffer your keystrokes. You have to tap the button, wait until it locates to #11, tap the button again, wait while it locates to #10, tap the button.... I wish we had been able to wait for version 1.1 to do our Keyboard Report. I encountered some intermittent noise bursts at cut-and-paste points, but I'm told this problem has been fixed. This is one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations you find yourself in when doing a product review. We have an obligation to tell the truth, even though the story will be out of date (hopefully) by the time it hits the newsstands. I found it a little odd that if you've used the AW's waveform display to locate a point where you want to do a cut or paste, you have to exit the display to insert the marker. That's not ergonomically ideal. Since I was recording by myself part of the time, I used the footswitch punch-in method. This worked well, but I found myself wishing for a cycle record mode that would insert successive takes onto the virtual tracks so I could keep recording. Having to stop the transport and juggle the tracks manually takes longer, especially if you have to take off the headphones to disentangle yourself from your cello. ;-) I'm curious how other folks feel about the desirability of varispeed. The AW4416 doesn't have it, but the Fostex VF-16, which I'm reviewing this month, does. In most respects, of course, the Fostex is a much more modest piece of gear. --Jim Aikin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted December 20, 2000 Share Posted December 20, 2000 Jim Aikin said: >>I wish we had been able to wait for version 1.1 to do our Keyboard Report. I encountered some intermittent noise bursts at cut-and-paste points, but I'm told this problem has been fixed. This is one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situations you find yourself in when doing a product review. We have an obligation to tell the truth, even though the story will be out of date (hopefully) by the time it hits the newsstands.<< Jim, from my experience with the upgrade, the noise bursts and playback issues with tracks dropping out and occasionally failing to play that I experienced with version 1.01 have been rectified with the release of version 1.10. I'm sure you'd have preferred to wait for the next software upgrade to complete your review, but that's sort of like waiting to buy a new computer or synth for fear of having it be out of date within a few months because something newer, faster and cheaper will be coming out by then. I think it was the right decision to get the review done and out to the public. Better to do the review now while people really want and need the information and then do an update notice, power user / tips and tricks article or even a second review as major software revisions are released. For a computer software example, how many times have different versions of Logic been reviewed over the years as major improvements have been added? Several that I remember... I have always appreciated the throughness and honesty of your reviews over the years though, and I'd encourage you to keep the high journalistic standards with regard to honesty and integrety that you and Keyboard are known for. >>I found it a little odd that if you've used the AW's waveform display to locate a point where you want to do a cut or paste, you have to exit the display to insert the marker. That's not ergonomically ideal.<< Nor does it scroll while playing, which, coming from a background that includes a lot of computer editing, I'd really prefer. >>Since I was recording by myself part of the time, I used the footswitch punch-in method. This worked well, but I found myself wishing for a cycle record mode that would insert successive takes onto the virtual tracks so I could keep recording. Having to stop the transport and juggle the tracks manually takes longer, especially if you have to take off the headphones to disentangle yourself from your cello. ;-) << I have not had to use the footswitch yet, but I used it fairly frequently while doing "live" keyboard and guitar takes with the old ADAT / BRC system. The cycle record mode would be a VERY useful feature and I hope that Yamaha considers it for a future software upgrade. >>I'm curious how other folks feel about the desirability of varispeed. The AW4416 doesn't have it, but the Fostex VF-16, which I'm reviewing this month, does. In most respects, of course, the Fostex is a much more modest piece of gear.<< Uh, mine has varispeed, and it's been there since version 1.01. It's located on the SETUP menu, F4 ("D. In Setup") page. Range is approx. +/- 6%. I like varispeed, but then again, I grew up on the Beatles and always thought it was a very useful tool not only for special effects but also for the occasional time when a vocalist just couldn't get up 1/2 step higher for the highest note in a BGV part. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif I'd really hate to be without it, and would have considered it to be a fairly major ommission had Yamaha not included it. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com This message has been edited by pokeefe777@msn.com on 12-20-2000 at 03:11 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted December 20, 2000 Share Posted December 20, 2000 Yeah Jim, the AW does have varispeed... and Phil, I meant to ask you, even though it didn't apply to your favorite Craig tip in this case, what gave you the impression that the AW's delays topped out at 54ms? I believe the top delay length is 2730ms or something very close to that for a mono delay, and around 1350ms for a stereo delay. I've learned in my few weeks with the AW never to assume it doesn't have something. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Chances are, you just have to look around, and it's easy to miss stuff because there's so much. That's why it's good we are all helping each other out. Now if only I could find the coffee maker... I KNOW it's hidden in one of those screens somewhere... or maybe you have to get the expansion board for that... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 12-20-2000 at 02:34 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POFFHOTMAIL.COM Posted December 20, 2000 Share Posted December 20, 2000 Lee, I'm curious if you know how to delete multiple tracks, or parts, at once. Say, for instance,if you wanted to cut two bars from a five track drum groove without deleting each part separately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted December 20, 2000 Share Posted December 20, 2000 AH, now that is probably my biggest beef with the editing: so far as I can tell there is no way to operate on more than two tracks at once. You can do two at once by pairing them, but that's it. That can be a pain, I'll grant you! Specially to somebody who's used to cutting tape with a razor blade - that'll edit all the tracks in a hurry! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POFFHOTMAIL.COM Posted December 20, 2000 Share Posted December 20, 2000 Doh!!!! I just found it. When you pick which track you're editing, scroll down to just past tr. 16 and you'll be able to choose all tracks. So simple it's hard. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 Whoa! You're kidding! Really? Have to try that! But what if you only want to select, like you say, some tracks but not all? Not like you'd normally need to do that but... Like I just said, if something isn't there on this machine it's only cause you haven't looked hard enough.... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Aikin Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 Originally posted by Lee Flier: Yeah Jim, the AW does have varispeed... <> I missed it. I can't take all the blame, because we always have our reviews fact-checked by the manufacturer before we go to press, and I don't believe the Yamaha representative I was dealing with caught the mistake. But the buck stops here: I missed it, as did Mark Vail, who co-wrote the review with me. The published review says "no varispeed" right there in the Cons. Guess I'll go fall on my pencil now. --JA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip OKeefe Posted December 21, 2000 Share Posted December 21, 2000 Lee Flier said: >>... and Phil, I meant to ask you, even though it didn't apply to your favorite Craig tip in this case, what gave you the impression that the AW's delays topped out at 54ms? I believe the top delay length is 2730ms or something very close to that for a mono delay, and around 1350ms for a stereo delay.<< You're correct about the delays if we're talking about the two effects processors, but what I was referring to was the individual delays that are usually used for aligning tracks, dealing with latency, etc. To find them: Hit the DYN key, and then F3 / F4 and F5 keys. Same location as the phase reverse. >>I've learned in my few weeks with the AW never to assume it doesn't have something. Chances are, you just have to look around, and it's easy to miss stuff because there's so much. That's why it's good we are all helping each other out.<< VERY true about helping each other! However, this is another case that supports my review comments regarding the lack of an index. In the heat of a session it would be MUCH easier to turn to an index than to "hunt" for the obscure feature you need RIGHT NOW. The more complex a device and the more feature laden (which the AW definitely is) the more the need for a good index IMHO. >>Now if only I could find the coffee maker...<< I use an I.V. line and a roll around stand... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://members.aol.com/ssanctuary/index.html email: pokeefe777@msn.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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