RG203 Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Now that I'm starting to compile drum loops for my songwriting (I know, but finding a drummer has been impossible), I'm paying more attention to the drums whenever I hear a song. Three Dog Night's version of "Mama Told Me Not To Come" was on the radio the other day. It uses a ride instead of HH during the verse, and a HH during the chorus. My knowlegde of drumming is limited, but that isn't the typical structure for a song. Of course there are no rules and one should experiment. What are other examples that don't use a HH during the verse? The only thing I can think of is using brushes on the snare in place of the HH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I I mjrn Posted February 22, 2005 Share Posted February 22, 2005 Don't know one off top of my head ( I'll return if I happen to notice one in next days) but regarding loops: this example would be one that indicates the better option of programming a song's percussion rather than opting for a loop. Really interesting recordings have variations to even repeated sections. Any case, good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offramp Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Originally posted by RG203: Three Dog Night's version of "Mama Told Me Not To Come" was on the radio the other day. It uses a ride instead of HH during the verse, and a HH during the chorus. My knowlegde of drumming is limited, but that isn't the typical structure for a song. And Floyd Sneed was certainly not a typical drummer. What kind of tunes are you doing? If you need a drummer that badly, and the tunes are something I can connect with, I'll be glad to track some drums for you here and send you the tracks. I've upped my standards; now, up yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 You can 'ride' on any availble item! Pat Benatar's Heartbreaker rides the verse on the floor tom. Procol Harum's Whisky Train rides on the cowbell, using an off-paradiddle pattern. ZZTop's LaGrange rides the verse (such as it is) on the snare drum. Other tunes ride the rim of a drum, or the shell of a drum, or a tamborine, or.... anything is possible. Feel free to experiment. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I I mjrn Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Good God, man, never experiment! Something might explode! Like overly conventional thinking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offramp Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 Originally posted by coyote: You can 'ride' on any availble item!So says Paris Hilton... I've upped my standards; now, up yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidereal Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 John Densmore of The Doors did it a lot. I recorded a track with verses on ride and chorus on hi-hat and it worked great for the song. Switching from ride verses to hat choruses makes for an interesting effect and it can really crank up the dynamics of a chorus if you're playing a fairly open hat. Personally, I'm kind of tired of going to the ride for a big chorus. It's starting to sound cheesy to me. I typically use different dynamics on the hat for changes in pop song structure. Maybe use the ride for guitar solos. Just for the record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG203 Posted February 27, 2005 Author Share Posted February 27, 2005 Originally posted by offramp: What kind of tunes are you doing? If you need a drummer that badly, and the tunes are something I can connect with, I'll be glad to track some drums for you here and send you the tracks. Offramp, I suspect most musicians around here detest the music that I like, which is C&W. Even more shocking, the modern kind you hear on the radio For example, "He Get's That From Me" by Reba McEntire is a song I really like. Nothing I've done so far is any good. So, I'm reluctant to show it to anybody. By the end of this year I hope to achieve mediocrity, and then let people hear the music. Thanks for the offer anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offramp Posted February 27, 2005 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Originally posted by RG203: By the end of this year I hope to achieve mediocrity...Good man. Way to keep in step with the times. I've upped my standards; now, up yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I I mjrn Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Irrelevant to the thread but more positive reinforcement: Real musicians like all kindsa music, man. Any genre can be done well or poorly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I like both kinds of music, country AND western. Originally posted by RG203: I suspect most musicians around here detest the music that I like, which is C&W.I grew up listening to Johnny Cash & Hank Williams & Marty Robbins (thanks Dad) right alongside my Beatles and Temptations. It manifests in surprising ways - while I haven't really listened to much C&W since leaving home over 25 years ago, the best songs I write come out in that framework! It's a sore point since what I'm really into is prog & jazz & classical & rock.... I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedly Nightshade Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I love good country music. The kind that isn't trying to be country, but just is. I choose ride or hat or cowbell for that matter based on the groove, not on whether it's the verse or the chorus. Whatever works best for the part. A WOP BOP A LU BOP, A LOP BAM BOOM! "There is nothing I regret so much as my good behavior. What demon possessed me that I behaved so well?" -Henry David Thoreau Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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