Rock Star SuperNova...

[The Bear Jew]

Sorry, I failed to se Seinfeld's talents or contribution. I'm sure there are other washed-up bassists or those a bit past their prime that would have been available for the project.

 

Nikki Sixx, Bobby Dahl, guy from Mudvayne, etc.

 

Face it, Seinfeld didn't belong.

Well, Evan Seinfeld has been the primary writer and mouthpiece of Biohazard for a long time. He's no Geddy Lee, but he gets the job done. I think his look and personality had a lot to do with why he was offered the spot--he's pretty aggro looking and kind of obnoxious, but he's actually a nice guy underneath it all. And yeah, he's married to a porn actress/director... that doesn't hurt for generating viewer interest. And, who knows if Seinfeld was the producers' first choice of a bassist for the show? I mean, his availability probably was the biggest deciding factor.

 

For what it's worth, I saw some of the show, and his playing seemed fine to me... he did the job. He wasn't flashy or anything... but he did well enough... and the crowd seemed to be pretty hyped when the band played "Punishment" at the big finale concert. I also thought it was kinda sweet the way Papa Ted Nugent seemed to change his opinion about hardcore after seeing the way the audience got into the song.

 

Oh yeah, the one song the band wrote together... Seinfeld had a lot to do with the production of that, didn't he? I kinda remember that he worked with Bach on the vocals for a while... and he co-wrote the lyrics. I'd say he pulled his weight.

 

I thought it was actually funny that this was the first band that Scott Ian and Seinfeld were in together--since they're both NYC hardcore guys... It was just a matter of time.

[Tenstrum]

Love Anthrax.

Biohazard is OK.

Can't beat Uncle Ted.

Jason Bonham is a good drummer.

Sebastian Bach needs a punch to the Taint.

 

Can't wait to hear what these guys are going to do in the future.

http://www.myspace.com/damnocracy

[tucker71]

There are so many flaws with this show, I don't even know where to start.

 

Here's my suggestion:

 

THROW OUT EVERYTHING YOU KNOW ABOUT THE CURRENT TALENT/REALITY SHOW FORMAT.

 

 

Let's ditch the whole "do 2 mins of a song and then stand there and listen to a critique". It's been done. Dance Fever invented it 25 years ago and American Idol perfected it.

DONE.

 

 

How about this:

 

There is no house band. Every week, it's Tommy, Gilby, and Jason are onstage. Maybe THEY have to learn the songs and play 'em while the contestants sing 'em. Maybe they have to re-arrange covers OR maybe they'll do original music. OR alternate. Whatever.

Make it like a rehearsal.

If something isn't coming together, STOP. Mid-song. Just STOP...like a real rehearsal.

- "Hey Tommy...you should do a cut-time thing there"

"Yeah, let's try that"

 

-"Gilby, can you take that line you normally play in the solo, and instead, play it during the intro, then....when the vox come in, you lay out"

"I dunno if I'm cool with that...let's try something else"

 

 

Etc etc.

 

Let's see something we haven't seen before!

 

 

Now let's follow them into the studio. Axl, Hetfield, and Vince get multiple takes, over dubs, comps, autotune, and guide vocals. Let's give THESE unknowns the same treatment.

Let's pull back the curtain a little bit.

 

 

The audience may be shocked to learn how much goes into every single nuance of a song. They may find it interesting.

 

Certainly MORE interesting than hearing Rolling Stones and Nirvana covers.

[bottle12am]

I guess a producer read my post about the guys being too nice, because last night Dave Navarro tried like hell to critique and insult everyone. Tommy Lee tried it, too, but gave up half way through as he's too nice a guy to hurt people for show like that.

 

I agree with Tucker, though I think towards the end we will get a shot at hearing everyone in action with the first stringers.

 

That being said, the list of 15 could have been absolutely chopped to 5 (actually, 2-3, but I'll leave room for differing opinions). Throw those guys in an intense Lee-Clarke-Newstead boot camp and see who still survives at the end.

 

(About the multiple takes and effects in the studio -- I scored a bootleg GnR CD years ago-- it was half hilarious/half supersad, as apparently someone made this CD from some stolen, raw, unremixed tapes. Scary.)

[tucker71]

Ooh. I would LOVE to hear those raw GnR tapes.

 

I was at a studio recently and they had the multitracks for "Pour Some Sugar On Me". I could isolate anything I wanted.

It was amazing.

 

I would say that you're hearing Mutt Langes voice about 60 percent of the time. Joes voice -by itself- only appears a handful of times.

 

 

But...that would be the beauty of having a reality show that really shows the REALITY of being in a band and making the music come together.

I think some people might be interested in hearing a singer try to cobble together words and phrases. Etc etc.

[picker]

I watched it last night, and I thought the band was pretty rockin', but most of the singers wouldn't be my choice for a band. The last guy rocked hard, maybe he'll come along, but the witchy-looking chick that slaughtered "Ring Of Fire" needs either serious medication, or taint-punched, or maybe both. Zayira or whatever her name is cracked me up when Gilby Clarke asked her if she owned any of their albums and she said she had been in diapers when they were out.

[...]

That show is a horrible train wreck. I saw most of it last night because I was curious about it. It was difficult to watch and I seriously doubt that I'll be investing any more time in it.

 

Originally posted by yZeCounsel:

It's like the good stuff which got people hooked on Metallica was written by Mustaine and when they got a real composer like Newstead, the ego took over and "justice for all on up has had sophormoric songwriting at best

Mustaine co-wrote some of Kill 'Em All and has a writing credit on one song on Ride The Lightning. He wasn't the one responsible for writing "the good stuff".

 

I'm going to go ahead and completely disagree with your comment on Justice. That was their last good album. It was one of the first prog-metal albums whether people want to admit it or not; there's just no keyboard player and they're not singing about dragons and fairies. Everything since has been pretty worthless.

 

Their big missing piece since Master of Puppets has been Cliff. Cliff came up with a lot of the counter melodies, was responsible for a lot of the arranging, and had a lot of good ideas of his own to bring to the table (like that middle slow sectoin of "Orion"). James has stated before that Cliff was responsible for all this stuff - I believe it was in some of the interview bits from Year and a Half In The Life of Metallica video.

 

They were fools to shut out Newkid from the writing process and shove him to the back like they did. Hopefully they let Trujillo contribute and help save the dying beast.

[Moe Monsarrat]

Well, I watched the other nite(against my better judgement,I might add)& found myself both amused & sad. The most ironic thing was the fact that the singers are trying out for a band that will probably not be near as good as the house band. I would have the auditioners sing at least one of their own songs. I mean, would you want a singer who didn't write with the rest of that lineup? At some point it's got to come down to the music instead of who's in the band. That's probably where the wheels come off & it's a one cd deal. period. Great idea for publicity tho!

[tucker71]

Oops.

[tucker71]

Writing is not an issue.

 

The record is finished. It's already been written & recorded by Butch Walker (the producer of the project).

 

Also...BW has already recorded the vocals. The winner of the show only has to go in and do "their version" of what BW has already laid down.

[Moe Monsarrat]

Ahh...I stand enlightened.

[TimR]

Has this show, finished in the states? I just saw some tonight here and its a lot better compared to Pop Idol, although the singers are no better. Iremebered seeing this thread a while back. They were talking about world wide voting, but the subtitles say voting is now closed. I'm very confused have I missed something?

[jcadmus]

Two words: simply unwatchable.

 

I tried twice and couldn't get through an entire episode. In fact, I don't think I lasted 15 minutes.

[Stackimo]

It's a long way from over. They have like 8 people left and they only get rid of 1/week.

[Tone Taster]

I brought this up way before the weed out and I havent' changed it

It's the Aussie Toby whose alway had it on lockdown from the get go !

[bottle12am]

Sorry... Dilana (aka 'Scary B****') is going to take it all. Her voice is unique; her stage presence always fits the song, without 'posing'; and her mannerisms can easily be plugged into 10000 and 15000 seat arenas.

 

That being said, all the performances kicked serious butt tonight. All the deadweight (except maybe Patrice) is gone. (Z girl will in no way win the competition, but she sure throws a good curveball to each week's show)

All that needs to be done is for the producers to can the fake 'reality show' drama that is choking this great show, and just give the remainders each 2 songs per week. It is a fun watch.

 

P.S. -- I hate reality shows, though I am a huge closet Idol watcher.

 

From getting hooked on Rock Star though, I am starting to change allegiances. I'd rather hear RadioHead and Nirvana butchered than Barry Manilow any day.

[TimR]

What time does it go out in the US? I can't believe its world wide voting, the lines are closed when I see it at 9.00pm UK time (thats about 2.00pm US time so I can't belive this claim and I think we are seeing the show from the night before. Maybe its on another chanel I don't get. I'm watching it on Sky Three.

[_Sweet Willie_]

OK, I'll admit it -- this show is a bit of a guilty pleasure for me.

 

Originally posted by bottle12am:

Sorry... Dilana (aka 'Scary B****') is going to take it all. Her voice is unique; her stage presence always fits the song, without 'posing'; and her mannerisms can easily be plugged into 10000 and 15000 seat arenas.

 

...All the deadweight (except maybe Patrice) is gone. All that needs to be done is for the producers to ...just give the remainders each 2 songs per week.

I agree with much of what Mister Bottle had to say. Dilana has a really cool voice, and contrary to the post earlier in this thread, I dug her version of "Ring of Fire." She can totally bring The Rock. However, will those fellahs be able to handle having a woman fronting their group?

 

At this point in the competition, I'd like to see all the b.s. chit-chat dropped and let the singers sing more songs.

 

Peace.

--SW

[bottle12am]

BTW--

 

For all the haters out there, see if you can YouTube or otherwise sample the singer Jill's version of RESPECT she did tonight.

 

Don't listen to the voice, listen to the bassline.

 

Between that and what the bass player on Idol did with poodle girl's version of Prince's Kiss, those have got to be some of the best basslines I've heard anywhere lately.