politically incorrect doomed to reruns.

[KenElevenShadows]

[quote]Originally posted by Anderton: [b]Ken, the reason your posts are always welcome is because they combine research with a dispassionate presentation. Please clone yourself.[/b][/quote]Craig, thank you very much for your kind words -- also to lrossmusic. I'm really interested in knowing about what is truly going on, and I try to take an outsider's view, sort of as if I was a Martian observing what is going on in the world and then reporting back on it. I absolutely love my country, but I also realize that it's not perfect. We do a lot of things that harm other people, but we do a lot of wonderful, beautiful things that help other people, and so I try and take both into account. I'm really passionate about what happens to my friends in Kashmir. If you guys could meet these people -- they are wonderful. They are the nicest, most caring people, and I love them a lot. They invited me to a wedding in September, and I am sad that I cannot go. It's too dangerous to go. A wedding around Dal Lake is a beautiful thing to experience. The Kashmiris really celebrate. Music, more food than the imagine can comprehend...and then, there's the "party boat", which cruises around the lake, with musicians playing traditional Kashmiri wedding music, dancing, laughing, singing, flowers all over... If I clone myself, can I get some improved DNA cells for my lower back?

[Brian T]

[quote]Originally posted by Chip McDonald: [b] [quote]Originally posted by gbtank@home.com: [b]But you don't bad mouth someone at their own funeral, and as Bill learned, you don't say complimentary things about terrorists who just cold bloodedly killed 3000 innocent people. It doesn't matter what you meant, it just ain't all that smart.[/b][/quote]It does matter what it means. He didn't compliment anyone; it was a neutral term, putrid dung can still be brave putrid dung while being just as putrid and dung-like. Does anyone that is criticizing Maher *really and honestly* think he likes/liked the people that did that? Of course not...[/b][/quote]I'm speaking in pragmatic, not philosophical terms. What I mean is this. It may well matter to *you* what he really meant, maybe even to me, but it does not matter to the millions of people who basically booed him off the air over it. That's what I mean. Should it matter what he *meant*? Sure. Does it matter in the real world of having your own TV show and doing your thing in front of the whole world for money? Nope. He knows that now, I believe. My point is, even if it's true, there is a time and a place to make certain comments. Sure you could say all manner of uncomplimentary and *true* things about somebody your not a fan of, day in and day out. But not at their friggin' funeral! Wrong time, wrong place. That's all I'm saying. What he said may be true, viewed from one dispassionate angle. Nobody happened to be in a dispassionate mood at that point. And many people made a judgement, fair or not, based on what they perceived as gross insensitivity to the dead and their families. I happen to agree. We're not Vulcans. Logic does not always prevail, nor should it, IMO. Regards, Brian T

[GZsound]

It would appear to me the reason the show was cancelled is very simple. It failed to return the dollars. For whatever reason, people stopped watching. It seems to be happening more and more and I think it's the great majority of Americans who are tired of hearing how terrible we are and how we deserve to be attacked or punished. We have made huge mistakes in our foreign policy over the years and still are. We gave Bin Hidin his weapons and money when he was fighting Russia. And anybody remember Vietnam? But, does that give any country or organization the right to kill civilians? I think not.

[Tedly Nightshade]

The whole reason the "brave" thing came up, was Georgie Jr. calling the attack "cowardly" the day it happened. Patently, it took muy cojones. "Brave" may not be exactly the right word, with it's connotations of loyalty and that, but it took mega balls. More than Georgie Bush has by a long shot, or certainly any of the television commentators have. There's no question that the epic mass murder was also a cocky display of how hard and determined these cases are compared to all the softy Americans, and it's true. Scary, no?

[alphajerk]

[quote]Originally posted by GZsound@hotmail.com: [b]We have made huge mistakes in our foreign policy over the years and still are. We gave Bin Hidin his weapons and money when he was fighting Russia. And anybody remember Vietnam? But, does that give any country or organization the right to kill civilians? I think not.[/b][/quote]that is true. our country had no right to rain bombs down on afghanistan killing as many if not more innocent civilians than in the WTC in its FAILING quest to get OBL... funny how its called collateral damage and not terrorism. it should of been a covert ground based operation. and bills show dealt with MUCH more than just what is being discussed here so far. he dealt with EVERY topic most people [and EVERY politician] shy's away from. i dont think it had anything to do with money. i think its cancellation had to do with IDEAS. i think the majority of the american public doesnt WANT to think that things arent how they ignorantly believe looking through their rose colored glasses. probably the same reason they were stunned by 9-11. unfortunately those of us who ARE aware of all the bullshit werent all that suprised by the attack... its one of the reasons i left DC. i KNEW something big was about to happen. although i did think it would of been a LOT bigger than what did happen. and while we are on that whole deal... there is a LOT more to this than the public even knows or is willing to accept. i went through logan airport the week before the attacks. and security was HIGH, we even had to prove all our baby toys were in fact toys and show the people at the scanners that they worked, they were definately not slouching on the job as so many news reports like to claim. sure i carried by pocketknife through but that was okay to do at the time. this "incident" goes a LOT deeper than the public is willing to accept. in fact what IS known hasnt even really been questioned yet. kinda makes a presidential blowjob seem quite unimportant.

[Brian T]

[quote]Originally posted by Ted Nightshade: [b]The whole reason the "brave" thing came up, was Georgie Jr. calling the attack "cowardly" the day it happened. Patently, it took muy cojones. "Brave" may not be exactly the right word, with it's connotations of loyalty and that, but it took mega balls. More than Georgie Bush has by a long shot, or certainly any of the television commentators have. There's no question that the epic mass murder was also a cocky display of how hard and determined these cases are compared to all the softy Americans, and it's true. Scary, no?[/b][/quote]Dude, it took balls for Hitler to murder tens of millions. That still don't make the boy brave. Nuts, yes, brave, no. Brian T

[alphajerk]

actually, that does make one brave. i dont know why people think being brave only applies to positive acts. it simply means having courage... and whether you like the actions they put into motion doesnt affect the courage needed to fulfill the actions. side note: the archaic meaning of brave is bully or assassin. in fact i would say that al queda is far more brave than the US is... i mean taking on the US vs. the US taking on a ragtag organization? bill maher was totally correct in his observation. and the palestineans are more brave strapping themselves with crude homemade explosive packs than the isrealis are using american made planes, tanks, and rocket launchers.

[coyote]

Any of you Jerseyites remember the Uncle Floyd Show? Maher killed his own show by moving to a network. It was inevitable that the show lose its edge once it moved from cable to the network.

[koolkid]

[quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b]actually, that does make one brave. i dont know why people think being brave only applies to positive acts. it simply means having courage... and whether you like the actions they put into motion doesnt affect the courage needed to fulfill the actions. side note: the archaic meaning of brave is bully or assassin. in fact i would say that al queda is far more brave than the US is... i mean taking on the US vs. the US taking on a ragtag organization? bill maher was totally correct in his observation. and the palestineans are more brave strapping themselves with crude homemade explosive packs than the isrealis are using american made planes, tanks, and rocket launchers.[/b][/quote]you are more correct than you realize, i did a little research and the word brave is actually descended from the latin word barbaros or barbaric,so to call such monsterous acts brave,whatever your moralistic view of them, would be quite correct

[KenElevenShadows]

I forgot who said this way back, but someone had labeled the terrorists in the planes as "cowardly", and someone else responded, "Cowardly? I wish they had been a little more cowardly so they would have chickened out from getting on the planes!"

[alphajerk]

no shit. funny how people dont get it. americentric ideology i guess.

[GZsound]

So, not just implied, but actually stated. The terrorists had more "cajones" than Mr. Bush.(I believe you called him Georgie)?. To think I got shot at so you have the right to spout that of which you have no idea...

[Gtoledo3]

Alpha, You are totally right about there being another layer to this that we aren't hearing about. I think that a lot of people's minds are going to be blown when the veil is lifted.

[KenElevenShadows]

[quote]Originally posted by GT3: [b]Alpha, You are totally right about there being another layer to this that we aren't hearing about. I think that a lot of people's minds are going to be blown when the veil is lifted.[/b][/quote]That veil could be lifted a whole lot more if people would read books.

[Tedly Nightshade]

"So, not just implied, but actually stated. The terrorists had more "cajones" than Mr. Bush.(I believe you called him Georgie)?. To think I got shot at so you have the right to spout that of which you have no idea..." I'm sorry to hear that you got shot at. I hope there were other pressing reasons than my personal freedom of speech. Can you see that Georgie B. is willing to risk your hide but not his own?

[sbrock1san.rr.com]

Maher also said "We have been the cowards lobbing cruise missiles from two thousand miles away, that's cowardly". He said that six days after the attack. As a comedian he should have remembered the first rule of comedy, timimg is everything. It's not what people wanted to hear because they were angry, in shock, and still hadn't gotten over the horror of seeing body parts removed from the rubble.

[Tedly Nightshade]

Not waiting until it's safe is the sign of a comedian who is something more than a comedian. He gets my respect for putting his career on the line to say an unpopular truth, when it needed to be said, if there was any hope in defusing the whole vengeance bloodlust cycle.

[sbrock1san.rr.com]

[quote]Originally posted by Ted Nightshade: [b]He gets my respect for putting his career on the line to say an unpopular truth, when it needed to be said, if there was any hope in defusing the whole vengeance bloodlust cycle.[/b][/quote]No. There's only one way to stop the al-Qaida and that's to round 'em up. I know that's not the popular view around HERE, but you know those filthy musician-types. :p

[Roto]

HBO would be a good place for the show. I kinda hope Comedy Central offers to bring the show back and makes it an hour long again before the next presidential elections. They had the best election coverage on any network when they had Politically Incorrect. It wasn't the same last time without that show.

[Tedly Nightshade]

"He gets my respect for putting his career on the line to say an unpopular truth, when it needed to be said, if there was any hope in defusing the whole vengeance bloodlust cycle. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No. There's only one way to stop the al-Qaida and that's to round 'em up. I know that's not the popular view around HERE, but you know those filthy musician-types." Well I won't deny I'm filthy. But the al-Qaida only supply a minor amount of the carnage. I thought that it was US bloodlust for brown skin that needed defused most, at the time.

[KenElevenShadows]

Terrorists should be rounded up. I doubt anyone denies that. But there should be an understanding about why people are pissed at us. Some people don't understand this. Some people don't want to think this far. Some people don't care. We bully people around, kill others, take advantage of people for our own needs, then wonder why people are upset at us? I'm going to quote from myself, since I consider myself to be a reliable source : Between 1980 and now, the U.S. has committed acts of war against Iraq, Irran, Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Iran, Somalia, and Afghanistan. All Muslim countries, by the way. Also with 1980 and now, the United States has attempted to overthrow or has overthrown the governments of Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Sudan, Libya, and obviously Afghanistan. The U.S. has attempted to assassinate Egypt's Gamal Abdel Nasser, Iraq's Saddam Hussein, Libya's Muammar Khadaffi, Iran's clerical leadership, and the Taliban's leadership. The U.S. has funded literally billions of dollars to Israel's military, which has cracked down hard on Palestinians. The U.S., with Britain, has created sanctions on Iraq, which the United Nations claims has caused the death of 500,000 Iraqi children, and another 500,000 adults due to disease (to which allegedly the former U.S. Secretary of State M. Albright replied when faced with these figures, "It is a price worth paying."). Yes, yes, go round up those terrorists. And while we're at it, let's stop fucking around with people in the Middle East and Central Asia. And to get somewhat back on topic, I admire Bill Maher for saying what he believes in.

[sbrock1san.rr.com]

[quote]Originally posted by Ken/Eleven Shadows: [b]Yes, yes, go round up those terrorists.[/b][/quote]:thu:

[alphajerk]

[quote]Originally posted by GZsound@hotmail.com: [b]To think I got shot at so you have the right to spout that of which you have no idea...[/b][/quote]damn, you one old muthafucker. most of the "great war" dudes are dying off.... cause i KNOW youre not talking about vietnam. obviously the fall of south vietnam didnt lead to the worldwide spread of communism *gasp* hell, even in WWII it was not likely that germany would attempt to take on the US clear across the pond. better to spout that of which one has no idea than to take orders for which one has no idea. pawns.