Ed Friedland Posted January 31, 2001 Share Posted January 31, 2001 Drummers, cant live with em, cant live without em! The musical relationship between bass and drums is so close, it can make you best friends, or worst enemies. What do you look for in a drummer, and what are some of their most unwanted qualities? www.edfriedland.com The Bass Whisperer Bass Whisperer TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyripphotmail.com Posted January 31, 2001 Share Posted January 31, 2001 Ed, First and foremost, I look for a guy/gal with a good attitude. Being positive, flexible, fun, nice, polite, etc. goes a long way, and often will get major points (with me) over technical stuff.. In terms of actual playing, I go for 'minimalist' groove players first. I like guys who can set up with a kick, snare, hats, and a ride/crash and make the whole thing sound varied and interesting. Cheers! ------------------ Rob Miller Philadelphia, PA www.bklounge.net Rob Miller Philadelphia, PA www.JimmyRipp.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil-E-Phil Posted January 31, 2001 Share Posted January 31, 2001 Hmmm, let's see... Currently the drummer that I'm playing with, while he does play well, he has a tendency to push the tempo. He believes in the "play hard" equals "play good" theory of drumming, though I would think that playing "softer" would make one more versatile. What I would like, is a drummer that can lay the foundation down like concrete. I've played with drummers like that before and it amazes me how easier you job becomes and the more creative stuff that you as the bass player can add to the music. Phil Smith - Creator of the iGigBook iPad/Android App Over 1300 Jazz Chord Charts That You Can Transpose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigLeyhFrameBand.com Posted January 31, 2001 Share Posted January 31, 2001 Hi Ed I just found your new forum and am as excited as a can be. I love your Bass PLayer articles. I agree with jimrip, attitude is the most important. I also look for a solid groove and not real flashy. Also someone who listens. I am so happy to see you here. I come here everyday to read the recording stuff. Now I have you here also. Oh Happy Days. ------------------ Thank you, Craig S. Leyh CraigLeyh@FrameBand.com Thank you, Craig S. Leyh CraigLeyh@NVSMedia.com Keep It Low! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Friedland Posted February 1, 2001 Author Share Posted February 1, 2001 Craig, Thanks, it's great to get such a warm response from everyone. Time/groove of course are priorities for me in a drummer, but also the ability to LISTEN. Many drummers seem as if they play strictly from their body and don't listen to what's happening around them. A drummer that listens and plays appropriately is a great thing. Attitude is nice, but I've played with a lot of drummers that play great and have bad attitudes, I forgive them as long as they play well. You don't have to talk to them on the break! www.edfriedland.com The Bass Whisperer Bass Whisperer TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 Ed and all, I think that not listening to what everyone else is doing is a problem for a lot of musicians in general, but I agree the difference between a drummer who really listens and one who doesn't is phenomenal. A drummer who's always paying attention and watching for visual cues and dynamic changes is a godsend. Maybe this makes more sense to me, being female, than it would for a guy, but the question I always ask myself when evaluating a drummer, is would I sleep with this guy? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif That is, does he have great groove? Is he paying attention to the others' needs? Can he last all night without starting to rush or drag? And I really prefer that he doesn't have a huge kit, he just has to know what to do with what he's got. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif When you get down to it, drumming is very similar to sex. Always good to keep in mind. Better stop this post now before I get myself in even more trouble. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 01-31-2001 at 05:34 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 Originally posted by Lee Flier: Maybe this makes more sense to me, being female, than it would for a guy, but the question I always ask myself when evaluating a drummer, is would I sleep with this guy? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif That is, does he have great groove? Is he paying attention to the others' needs? Can he last all night without starting to rush or drag? And I really prefer that he doesn't have a huge kit, he just has to know what to do with what he's got. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif When you get down to it, drumming is very similar to sex. Always good to keep in mind. --Lee Boy oh boy oh boy ... Lee, you have always been one of my favorite thread co-conspiritors and now I know why. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Actually, I think bass players are sexier than drummers. Drummers are hyperkinetic - it would be like jumping in the sack with Richard Simmons. - Get it? Simmons? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif - Bass players are suave and reserved in a sort of James Bond at the casino way. They're confident enough to leave the spotlight to others, supporting them, listening to them, getting them out of trouble when they stray. A good bass player makes his partners look good the same way a good dancer does. The bassist sets the mood, keeps the pulse, and he really knows how to use his hands... I have never, ever thought about getting it on with a drummer - any drummer - and will probably have nightmares now that the very possibility has been mentioned. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif Kit size? Well, I suppose it's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 Originally posted by dansouth@yahoo.com: Actually, I think bass players are sexier than drummers. Drummers are hyperkinetic - it would be like jumping in the sack with Richard Simmons. - Get it? Simmons? http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif - Bass players are suave and reserved in a sort of James Bond at the casino way. Hmmm... well I would suggest Dan, that you simply don't have enough real data to support your conclusions. So you'll just have to defer to an expert on this matter. But errrhh, if you'd like to convince me that bass players are really sexier than drummers, the study is still ongoing! Boy, now I'd REALLY better quit! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 01-31-2001 at 06:26 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Michael Riehle Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 What a great topic. I just went through this whole issue trying to get my band together. I was beginning to feel like I was in a bad Spinal Tap remake. A really remake. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif First there was no drummer. Then we did drummer auditions. Auditions which confirmed the statement another drummer I had worked with made: "Everyone plays drums and a couple of them actually know how." Big kits, little kits, toy kits, kits with multiple snares, kits with far too many cymbals, kits... ...well, you get the picture. And then the drummers themselves. The capper was the guy showed up and during the course of conversation decided he wanted to show us his rotting teeth. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif Okay, so we hired a drummer. Great attitude. Decent drummer in most respects. Well, except that one really important one. He had sort of a vague relationship with the beat. At first it seemed he was just a little rusty and needed a little catching up. But it didn't get any better. He was a great guy and we're still friends... More auditions... ...new drummer. Better drummer when he'd actually show up for a rehearsal. Or learn a song. Attitude problem from day one. More auditions... ...new drummer. This guy is working out. So far. And I actually think it's going to be a Good Thing. Why? While he hasn't quite got the personal bond with the band members our first drummer had, he's working on it and getting there. Good attitude. He's come up to speed on the songs *very* fast [ http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif ]. He shows up for rehearsal and he's even ON TIME! But the best part: we all get the "one" at the same time. So because of all this, I've actually been thinking about it a lot: 1) Attitude. A drummer who can't get along with the other band members and refuses to pitch in and help is worse than useless. 2) Attitude. In the band and OF the band. This isn't uniquely a drummer issue, but it does seem to be drummers - most often - that show up and do what they're supposed to but they never really seem to be committed to the success of the band. 3) Ability. A good relationship with the beat. Let's all get to the one at the same time. 4) Ability. I'm all for groove, but fills are important. 5) Taste. I'm all for fills, but groove is important. 6) Reliability. Showing up for rehearsal and learning the songs. The list is in no particular order, really. Any of those points not being up to snuff is a deal killer. ------------------ Michael Riehle Bass Player/Band Leader fivespeed Michael Riehle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Friedland Posted February 1, 2001 Author Share Posted February 1, 2001 Lee, I hear ya! I remember playing my first gig with one of my favorite drummers, Alan Hall (who now lives in the Bay Area). After a few tunes, he looked over at me and said "man, that was better than sex!" I always tell people, if you find a drummer you love to play with, marry them! (of course, the gender thing may be a problem....) I forget that a lot of people are in real bands that REHEARSE and play together all the time. Under those circumstances, I'd say attitude is important. I have always been more of a freelancer, and while I play with a lot of the same people, it's not the same as being in a band with someone. www.edfriedland.com The Bass Whisperer Bass Whisperer TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 That post is too funny, Michael!! >>This isn't uniquely a drummer issue, but it does seem to be drummers - most often - that show up and do what they're supposed to but they never really seem to be committed to the success of the band.<< Well, as somebody who has never had any trouble finding great drummers who are really dedicated, I'd say a lot of that is because most good drummers are often frustrated by the fact that band leaders don't WANT them to be that involved in the band. They often are never asked for creative input, or are otherwise basically just told to "shut up and play the drums." I've found in general that drummers have a lot of energy and can be a GREAT asset to the success of your band if you show them that you really need and value their involvement. I always ask for the drummer's participation in working up arrangements, and have a constant musical and personal dialog going on with drummers that I work with, and they have always really responded to that and done good things for the band. Just my .02. --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 01-31-2001 at 09:02 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 Originally posted by Ed Friedland: Lee, I hear ya! I remember playing my first gig with one of my favorite drummers, Alan Hall (who now lives in the Bay Area). After a few tunes, he looked over at me and said "man, that was better than sex!" I always tell people, if you find a drummer you love to play with, marry them! (of course, the gender thing may be a problem....) Heheeee...not a problem for me at all! So far though, I haven't had any marriage offers from my favorite drummer. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/frown.gif Then again, he IS still single after all these years, so... http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 01-31-2001 at 09:18 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtian_dup1 Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 Hey Ed, I think you hit the nail on the head when you said you want somebody who LISTENS. I am fortunate in that I am the bass player AND the bandleader for my band. I play a bit harder and the song gets heavier. I play with a featherlight touch, and the intensity and volume come way down. I play staccato funk, and the others fall into line. The only problem is that the drummer fails to listen a lot of the time, and I have to wave at him to get his attention and get him to lighten up, slow down, play less, etc. We are working on it, but drummers are hard to find here! - Christian Budapest, Hungary www.Crunchy-Frog.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wise Man Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 Time is, of course, very important, but if I'm not doing a standard rock gig (and I'm usually not) there are some other things that I look for that aren't "typical drummer stuff", such as an ability to think melodically as well as rhythmically, dynamics (this is maybe my biggest hang-up -- even in a punk rock setting, if the guy can only play fff, I ain't interested), and a sense of humor in their playing (think of Han Bennink or Keith Moon). Strangely, I find that the drummers I like to play with tend to be similar people: short, wiry (muscular) folks who smile a lot, are quiet, will crack you up, have gorgeous girlfriends/boyfriends, and have at least one intellectual (academic/professional) parent. This is, of course, to be distinguished from most drummers, who are large men, have drug or drinking problems, still live at home (be they 19 or 42), suffer from bizarre mood swings (not always drink or drug induced), and insist on driving the entire band to the gig, regardless of the condition of their brains or their 1978 Dodge Ram vans. The advantage of age and experience is learning to avoid this type! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 Originally posted by Mr. Wise Man: Strangely, I find that the drummers I like to play with tend to be similar people: short, wiry (muscular) folks who smile a lot, are quiet, will crack you up, have gorgeous girlfriends/boyfriends, and have at least one intellectual (academic/professional) parent. This is, of course, to be distinguished from most drummers, who are large men, have drug or drinking problems, still live at home (be they 19 or 42), suffer from bizarre mood swings (not always drink or drug induced), and insist on driving the entire band to the gig, regardless of the condition of their brains or their 1978 Dodge Ram vans. Hmm. My favorite drummer smiles a lot, will crack you up, has a gorgeous girlfriend, and an academic parent. However, he is a large man, he does not have a drinking or drug problem, does not live at home, sometimes suffers from bizarre mood swings but knows better than to do anything destructive when he's having one, and may volunteer to drive the band but will be sober and has done well enough to have a vehicle in decent shape. In fact he might just hire a brand new van and a driver. So go figure. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Wise Man Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 He fits the theory more than not! It's only his height that stands in the way. Very odd, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 Originally posted by Lee Flier: So you'll just have to defer to an expert on this matter. I wouldn't touch that with a twelve inch drumstick. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 Originally posted by Ed Friedland: I remember playing my first gig with one of my favorite drummers, Alan Hall (who now lives in the Bay Area). After a few tunes, he looked over at me and said "man, that was better than sex!" I love to groove with a great drummer, but I don't expect that it will surpass my enjoyment of sex until I'm at least 93. I always tell people, if you find a drummer you love to play with, marry them! (of course, the gender thing may be a problem....) May not be as big an issue in the Bay area. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorandSiaol.com Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 1) GROOVE 2) GROOVE 3) LISTENING ABILITY: Very important & on a selfish note, a player who listens to me a little more than he listens to the guitar solo or twisty vocal line. It's very difficult to lay down a solid groove with a drummer who is more intent on playing off a guitar line than laying down a foundation. 4) PROPHECY: As in one who foretells change. This is especially important in new band/song situations or in jam/instumental situations. I appreciate a drummer who 'says' (with his playing) "OK guys, the next change is coming up on the count of 4, ready?, OK let's GO!" 5) SOLID FOUNDATION: When playing with a drummer who has the qualities listed above I feel confident & relaxed & can therefore concentrate on playing my best. A drummer without these qualities makes me a little nervous, forces me to listen almost exclusively to him (as I'm not sure where he's going) and tends to make me force upcoming changes. 6) TASTE: A drummer who knows when and why to fill is worth their weight in gold. My personal fantasy is to have a drummer show up for a gig/audition with a kick, snare, hi-hat, & ride and be able to make this kit sound GREAT; not to mention how much easier it is to help him load, setup, and teardown. P.S. Thanks Ed for setting up this great forum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Addicott Posted February 1, 2001 Share Posted February 1, 2001 > Drummers. Can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em! I can! I play in 3 different duo / trios without a drummer, and life is wonderful. Very seldom do we have any semblence of a time or volume problem. Ahh... now that's more like it. In other groups, however, I am obliged to share the time-keeping duties. Some of the things I look for? 1: Listening. I HATE being steam-rolled!! IMHO, groove is all about interaction and inter-connectivity. To play too loud and / or rush (the two greatest sins committed by drummers at all levels) is to ignore what's going on all around and single-handedly steer the band into the ditch. Even if a player has shaky time and lukewarm chops, as long as they're listening, we can still have a musical conversation (and I can influence him/her and keep the tempo steady). 2: Feel. Some people can really make a drum kit "speak", and I dig that. Alas, this is not necessarily related with trait #1. The guy in town who has the best feel on the drums is also notorious for rushing and getting WAY too loud. I'd never hire him, but occasionally we're on the same gig, and in spite of myself (and the audience and the establishment) I do dig what he does on the drums. More often, I find myself with drummers who are better behaved, but they lack that certain "touch" in most genres. We get through the evening okay, but it does become a bit of a grind when the feel is all stiff and cardboard-like. 3: Taste. I love it when someone starts a fill or a riff and my reaction is "yeah... that's cool". As opposed to "no, no, please stop!!". 4: Old, small drum kits with lots of character. I've seen guys fill a room and get all kinds of great textures and sounds out of a small set. Those big, shiny, new extravaganzas (complete with multiple cases that you have to muddle with and stow somewhere) don't sound any better, and they're a pain in the arse. I dislike being cramped into small corners, and stages aren't getting any larger... That's all I can think of, for now. Thanks for the thread, Ed! Jeff Addicott http://www.jeffnet.org/~addicott/bass.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dansouth Posted February 2, 2001 Share Posted February 2, 2001 Originally posted by Jeff Addicott: > I play in 3 different duo / trios without a drummer, and life is wonderful. Very seldom do we have any semblence of a time or volume problem. Oh, so you have no GUITAR player, either. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_dup6 Posted February 2, 2001 Share Posted February 2, 2001 thinking back to the drummers i've enjoyed playing with the most i'd have to say; good time first. and after that alot of stuff that is very sujective. For some reason i love to see a drummer on the edge of his throne, leaning slightly over the kit. paying attention. smileing, kicking ideas out and responding to stuff from the rest of the band. eye contact. i was on the road with a drummer that did'nt look at me on stage for 11 months. drove me nuckin futs. i really like drummers who will try something new like hand percussion or taking a whole solo on just a high hat. a sense of humor. a car. the ability to set up in less than an hour. someone who plays within context. i cant tell you how many times i' ve been on a blues gig with a guy who just has to play jazz all night. someone who comes to rehersals with something they are exited about. A Professional attitude. maybe that could be a new topic what is a "professional attitude" bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Friedland Posted February 2, 2001 Author Share Posted February 2, 2001 This is great! I love all the ideas I'm seeing here. >>I am fortunate in that I am the bass player AND the bandleader for my band.<< Christian, when you get right down to it, aren't we ALWAYS the leader of the band? At least in the musical sense. A good bass player has the control over the ship. I like to tell my students that the drummer is the engine, but the bassist is driving the bus! It's possible to stereotype certain qualities of other instrumentalists, of course there are always exceptions. I relate to drummers as hockey players with smaller sticks http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif >>4) PROPHECY: As in one who foretells change. This is especially important in new band/song situations or in jam/instumental situations. I appreciate a drummer who 'says' (with his playing) "OK guys, the next change is coming up on the count of 4, ready?, OK let's GO!" << I like this, a drummer that "listens" ahead is a very rare and beautiful thing. Music doesn't stand still and rhythm section players are actively involved in the direction of the music. Smoothly setting up a new section, a feel change and being sensitive to the transition areas are all high level qualities that are most appreciated from our drum buddies. A relaxed feel is good too. I play with one guy that is a phenomenal drummer, but I never can relax with him because he himself is a very tightly wound individual. After every gig with him, I come home with sore calves because I find myself unconsciously gripping the stage with my toes to ground myself! Yet, when I listen back to live tapes of us playing together it sounds fine. Go figure. >>I can! I play in 3 different duo / trios without a drummer, and life is wonderful. Very seldom do we have any semblence of a time or volume problem. Ahh... now that's more like it.<< This can be nice, or extra work for me if everyone else isn't on the ball. I do a drummerless trio gig weekly and one of the pianists grooves very strong, his foot is always tapping a solid 4/4, it gets a little annoying at times, but not as annoying as the OTHER pianist whose foot is all over the place. It's like it's not connected to his body. As a result, his time wavers and without a drummer to bang him over the head, I get very frustrated. A good swinging trio without a drummer can be great, but everyone has to bring a good time feel to the party or I get evil! www.edfriedland.com The Bass Whisperer Bass Whisperer TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Riehle Posted February 8, 2001 Share Posted February 8, 2001 Originally posted by Lee Flier: That post is too funny, Michael!! Why, thank you. Originally posted by Lee Flier: >>This isn't uniquely a drummer issue, but it does seem to be drummers - most often - that show up and do what they're supposed to but they never really seem to be committed to the success of the band.<< Well, as somebody who has never had any trouble finding great drummers who are really dedicated, I'd say a lot of that is because most good drummers are often frustrated by the fact that band leaders don't WANT them to be that involved in the band. I'd have to say you're on to something there. My current drummer seems genuinely astonished when we ask his opinion on things. He was shocked when we all pitched in and helped him load in and out his drums. It sort of like, "hey, aren't you guys just supposed to stand there and laugh?" to him. But that's just how this band is. Originally posted by Lee Flier: They often are never asked for creative input, or are otherwise basically just told to "shut up and play the drums." I've found in general that drummers have a lot of energy and can be a GREAT asset to the success of your band if you show them that you really need and value their involvement. Another one that got him was when I insisted on him picking a song. We pick songs off a list that I've put together of candidates. It's up to almost 300 songs now. We have no hope of doing all of those, but we pick them in a round robin sort of way. Nobody gets to gainsay someone else's pick as long as it's on the candidate list. Everyone has CD's with copies of all the candidate songs. We try the song. Some of them don't work out, but most do. So I insisted he pick a song (I wanted him to pick three). I could tell he didn't think I was serious. Then he sort of thought I was just stringing him along. Then we learned the song. :-) I think he's gettin it, now, that participation is not optional in this band. What's more, I think he likes it as well as the rest of us. ------------------ Michael Riehle Bass Player/Band Leader fivespeed Michael Riehle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricongacharter.net Posted February 8, 2001 Share Posted February 8, 2001 I'm a drummer crossing over to bass, its interesting to hear all the comments and frustration with drummers that dont listen, I have learned much about bass playing from drumming and much about drumming from playing bass the biggest issue seems to be listening and not playing to busy, this is something i notice alot in both bass players ang drummers it seems making the groove sit with the most economy is the key to not pissing people off on both instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornbread_medhotmail.com Posted February 8, 2001 Share Posted February 8, 2001 Aside from everything mentioned above, I look for a drummer who can quote Monty Python and doesn't think Beavis and Butthead is too immature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAMP Posted February 16, 2001 Share Posted February 16, 2001 while i agree with all of the qualities mentioned that would make an ideal drummer, i am surprised that no one has mentioned what i feel is vital to not only drummers, but any musician who hopes to have a working relationship with other musicians - CONSISTENCY. alot of drummers will sound great during an audition or even for the first few gigs or rehearsals, but my experience is that this rarely lasts. far too often drummers fall into the routine of practicing their instrument only when practicing with their bandmates. this tendency is not only bad for the overall tightness of the band, but can actually make the drummer suceptable to injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Friedland Posted February 16, 2001 Author Share Posted February 16, 2001 RAMP, good point! I used to be the MD (music director) for a Sinatra type singer with a 5 piece band, all arranged, total reading gig. We had several guys come in to sub the drum chair, and most of them did pretty well the first time. But it seemed a few of them actually got WORSE each time they did the gig! What is up with THAT? Another guy I play with is very inconsistent. He is a great drummer SOMETIMES. Some gigs he gets very uptight about, maybe he feels pressure to be "brilliant" or whatever. Maybe he had a rough day, but he winds up rushing, playing too loud, all the typical complaints. Then, there are gigs where he's relaxed and he really does play great stuff. It drives me nuts because I never know how the gig will go! He was even studying bass with me briefly and we had many talks about time/groove/mindset. It's still a crapshoot every gig. Yes, consistency! ------------------ www.edfriedland.com www.edfriedland.com The Bass Whisperer Bass Whisperer TV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rumpelstiltskin. Posted February 16, 2001 Share Posted February 16, 2001 i don't think the size of a drummer's kit matters so much as how full the music is when the drummer is inside. because i like people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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