No wonder it's so easy these days - NI S88 MK III...

[miden]

 

 

Check out at 38.01

 

PS: sorry I couldn't just do the exact section, don't know how to chop the vid so only that section shows..st

[EricBarker]

yet... they still can't put on 9 drawsliders, and have very minimal control surfaces. PASS. You can generally tell when 90% of their market is for basement trolls and not live performers. I actually like Native Instruments software, but their hardware always seemed very tailored AWAY from my interests.

[miden]

5 minutes ago, EricBarker said:

yet... they still can't put on 9 drawsliders, and have very minimal control surfaces. PASS. You can generally tell when 90% of their market is for basement trolls and not live performers. I actually like Native Instruments software, but their hardware always seemed very tailored AWAY from my interests.

 

 

yeah, I know right!  But really, setting a keyboard to automatically play a scale type no matter what keys you play??  Wasn't so much about the lack of controls, more about THAT section

[kpl1228]

8 minutes ago, EricBarker said:

You can generally tell when 90% of their market is for basement trolls and not live performers

All of that stuff is so frustratingly plastic and flimsy. Exactly for non-performers......spot on.

[ElmerJFudd]

I’ve played the NI Komplete Kontrol 61 - the one they were blowing out last season before the new models arrived.  The semi-weight synth action is decent by today’s lousy standards.  It feels sort of like a DX7.  I can think of a lot of controllers that are built with lesser materials than the Komplete Kontrol.  
 

 38:01 - technology historically does a great job of making what was once a lot of work, less work.  The washing machine, the gas oven, a shovel.  Arrangers, loops, scales mode, arms, etc. are like musical appliances.  Reducing or eliminating musical work.  
 

It reminds me of John Henry vs the Steam Engine.  Do we loose something when technology eliminates or changes tasks and jobs?  We do, but we gain other things.  

[Dave Keys]

I really like my Native Kontrol S61, for its excellent keyboard action. But I would never gig with it. It’s a studio board.

[Doerfler]

4 hours ago, EricBarker said:

yet... they still can't put on 9 drawsliders, and have very minimal control surfaces. PASS. You can generally tell when 90% of their market is for basement trolls and not live performers. I actually like Native Instruments software, but their hardware always seemed very tailored AWAY from my interests.

this is (mostly) correct.  These are studio keyboards. Everyone does not do gigs. Doesn't make them a troll. Poor choice of wording. 

[ElmerJFudd]

2 hours ago, Doerfler said:

this is (mostly) correct.  These are studio keyboards. Everyone does not do gigs. Doesn't make them a troll. Poor choice of wording. 

Sometimes the tricky part is just imagining who a product is for.

 

Manufactures are constantly putting out targeted types of keyboards that one or another type of music maker looks at as  ridiculous, useless.  
 

Most keyboard players would wonder why anyone needs a scale mode or auto generator of any aspect of music making? Isn’t that what we are for?  Our own minds and our own hands. 🤷‍♂️ 

 

What AI is doing with image creation and writing is painful for visual artists and writers to see.  As surreal and bizarre as AI generated music is to us.  

[stoken6]

14 hours ago, ElmerJFudd said:

It reminds me of John Henry vs the Steam Engine.  Do we loose something when technology eliminates or changes tasks and jobs?  We do, but we gain other things.  

When the "tasks and jobs" are art, we lose a lot more than when when technology replaces drudgery. I don't consider hauling a carriage, or washing clothes by hand, or map-reading, to be art, so I am not concerned about technology's advance in these areas. 

 

7 hours ago, ElmerJFudd said:

Most keyboard players would wonder why anyone needs a scale mode or auto generator of any aspect of music making? Isn’t that what we are for?  Our own minds and our own hands.

+1

 

Cheers, Mike.

[jazzpiano88]

I’d never use the scale mode but the chord mode would be fun to play around with stacked chords of any variety.