Mididude Posted May 8, 2022 Share Posted May 8, 2022 I remember reading a while back (probably via Keyboard Magazine) that Billy Preston played an ARP synth on ‘Space Race’. That got me thinking, there’s another song called ‘Struttin’ on ‘Billy Preston - The Best’ (CD that I think is out of print) that has him playing an ARP. His lead synth has a cool tone that sounds to me like a large amount of lfo, assigned to filter with a pretty high rate, …and also either the same lfo simultaneously assigned to pitch or, (alternate theory) maybe another lfo assigned to pitch at a little lower rate. Any ARP players out there who know if I’m correct in remembering there was a button called ‘Wow’ on some of the old ARP’s that did these kind of routings for you when engaged? I think I played around on my Moog Little Phatty once before trying to do something similar, but didn’t nail the tone. Maybe I’d need some additional c.v. (an extra lfo) brought into the instrument, since IIRC (the Little Phatty is in its soft case right now) the L.P. is designed stock, with simple mod. routing; I don’t remember the modulation section allowing routing of its one lfo to two destinations, namely filter & pitch in this case, at the same time. I am not looking at the synth now though, so I apologize if I might have forgotten if it actually is simple to program the sound on the L.P. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real MC Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Billy was known to have played the ARP ProSoloist which had a "WOW" option in the modulation section. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mididude Posted May 9, 2022 Author Share Posted May 9, 2022 Thanks, The Real MC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Is it this? i wonder if it’s an Odyssey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldwin Funster Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 I think Billy Preston pushed alot of peoples WOW buttons. 1 Quote FunMachine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Struttin with a white Odyssey… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider76 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 2 hours ago, Tusker said: Struttin with a white Odyssey… That show is not live: the "wow" effect comes and goes but he only uses one hand, without touching the sliders. And the Odyssey doesn't have aftertouch so it's impossible he's modulating parameters with pressure. And then he changes to a different sound without changing any parameter. So it could be an Odyssey or any other synth in the recording, really. That said, the Odyssey is definitely able to generate that effect: sounds like a simple high-speed LFO modulating the filter at medium-high resonance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AWkeys Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 The video is mimed - the Odyssey isn't even plugged into anything! He played a Pro-Soloist on the song - it's a typical Pro-Soloist "Wow" effect done with the aftertouch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Sherry Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 I was just typing something similar! Check out around 1:23 where Preston finishes a solo using that wow/growl sound, then comps 2-handed on the Clav, then starts playing a square-wave lead without touching any settings on the synth. You can also clearly hear acoustic piano in that rhythm break. It definitely sounds pro-soloist to me. It is interesting that the filter warble sounds much faster than the vibrato (on Space-Race), but the instrument is supposed to have 1 LFO. I think it’s possible that the presets had some extra circuitry. For example, the fuzz guitar patch is said by pro-soloist obsessives to use a 6 bandpass filter., which you dom’t find on any Arps. I lived with an Odyssey throughout high school, and its high-pass filter was limited by having no mod or controller routings. If an envelope could have been routed to it it would have been possible to create useful band-pass effects. Anyway, I’m thinking that maybe they used an octave divider to get the filter modulation double the speed of the pitch vibrato using a single LFO. i’m thinking this is also pro-soloist: Deodato - Skyscrapers This sounds like Deodato is working the filter cut-off (brilliance) after-touch and Transpose controls, and turning the growl on and off. The growl is used as an effect on low notes throughout. I really like how he milks the different qualities the patch has in different registers. According to the pro-soloist service manual there are 14 fixed filters in addition to a VCF (reminds me of Polymoog). According to the same manual there is a separate circuit that generates a flip-flop signal at 32hz which is routed to the filter for the Growl. If you want to emulate the growl and a separate slower vibrato, you’ll need to LFOs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tusker Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Thanks Spider, AW and JB for setting me straight on the pro soloist. This is an amazing community and I can always learn something. 👍 Here is a cool little video showing the wow, growl and other effects on the pro soloist. It looks to me like the "high rate lfo" the OP is referring to is called growl. (33 seconds in)... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mididude Posted June 19, 2022 Author Share Posted June 19, 2022 I had the Little Phatty fired up the other day, so I thought I'd have a go at that patch again. Please excuse A. the poor (grainy etc.) image quality (made the video with wife's 2006 MacBook) so it looks like an ancient webcam, and B. the sloppy playing. I wanted to just see if I could get good audio quality going into the computer from my old Tascam Firewire interface, and it worked. I'll have to upload something more rehearsed next time. Here's the link: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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