omvibes Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 Hi all, I'm looking to get a windows laptop suitable for music production - mainly for live performances involving plenty of soft synths, running with Cantabile or similar. I already have an old Asus touchscreen laptop and Novation audiohub which are okay, but I want to get a dedicated laptop for music. Could anyone recommend what kind of spec I should be looking at, and particular models I should be investigating? I would like it to have a touchscreen/ tablet form, and have already looked at a Lenovo yoga 13inch and Asus zenbook, both of which have touchscreens. Budget is about 1000usd maximum, less would be better. And any additional equipment to the Novation that I should also be investigating to ensure a smooth live experience? Thanks for the input, and apologies if this has all been covered before, I did do a forum search and have been checking relevant threads here as well... Oli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markay Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 If you are considering a tablet then take into account the number of USB ports. 2 minimum, one for controller and one for audio interface. A misguided plumber attempting to entertain | MainStage 3 | Axiom 61 2nd Gen | Pianoteq | B5 | XK3c | EV ZLX 12P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyBluesKeys Posted August 3, 2017 Share Posted August 3, 2017 I tend to be partial to Hewlett Packard's business products (HP Business Outlet has less than 30 day old refurbished to help the $$$). Something like EliteBook or even Z-series workstation. i7 processor (preferably quad, though they may be hard to find in the price range, at least 8GB RAM, Windows 10 Pro, good size SSD would also perk things up quite a bit - might have to buy that later and clone the hard drive. (this is not a touchscreen). My own company (computer service) notebook is a used HP 2570p with i7, 8G RAM, and 500G SSD. Bought it used on EBay for about $200, the SSD was an additional $140. Machine is FAST. For music, I tend to use my 2011 Macbook Pro, i7 quad, 16G RAM, 1TB SSD - I have about $1K in it, also FAST. I have a Focusrite 18i8 USB audio/midi interface that works with both. I'm not familiar with the Lenovo or Asus - good to make sure that one can add RAM and change hard drives, some of the stuff being made today is glued together and not user expandable at all. Howard Grand|Hamm SK1-73|Kurz PC2|PC2X|PC3|PC3X|PC361; QSC K10's HP DAW|Epi Les Paul & LP 5-str bass|iPad mini2 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omvibes Posted August 3, 2017 Author Share Posted August 3, 2017 Thanks for the info. Anyone else able to offer advice, especially relevant touchscreen/ tablet options? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveQB Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Is there a reason you want touchscreen? Not looking to criticise, just interested. I use MainStage live with iPad for controlling various things (mixer mainly) and struggle for accuracy with touchscreen interface in that setting. Nord Stage 2EX | Nord Wave | Mainstage 3 K&M Spider Pro | JH Audio JH5 IEMs | Behringer XR18 | Radial Keylargo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Is there a reason you want touchscreen? Not looking to criticise, just interested. I use MainStage live with iPad for controlling various things (mixer mainly) and struggle for accuracy with touchscreen interface in that setting. I rarely use my laptop's touch screen at all. Everything else... sure, but it's a bit awkward with the laptop. YMMV. When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Is there a reason you want touchscreen? Not looking to criticise, just interested. I use MainStage live with iPad for controlling various things (mixer mainly) and struggle for accuracy with touchscreen interface in that setting. In the Mac world, if you want a VST system with a convenient touchsceen live performance interface, you get a Mac plus an iPad. In the Windows world, if you get a "convertible" style model (touchscreen fully flippable, or detachable keyboard), you can do it all with one unit instead of two. Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J Graul Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 I use MainStage live with iPad for controlling various things (mixer mainly) and struggle for accuracy with touchscreen interface in that setting. How are you controlling Mainstage with the iPad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveQB Posted August 4, 2017 Share Posted August 4, 2017 Using the logic remote when I do. It works well for advancing patches etc and also getting access to the mixer. However i find small movements tricky, especially on stage when timing is at a premium. I also use it for controlling my XAIR mixer and again fine adjustment is tricky on the ipad. Nord Stage 2EX | Nord Wave | Mainstage 3 K&M Spider Pro | JH Audio JH5 IEMs | Behringer XR18 | Radial Keylargo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omvibes Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 @steve qb and others: I love using my ipad for music making, hence would like to keep the touchscreen set up with a laptop/ convertible, even though I realise that most pc softsynths are not touch-optimised. Any particular convertibles I should be looking at? Not seen many/ any in use live. Oli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synthoid Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Any particular convertibles I should be looking at? http://dealermedia.bentleymotors.com/Media/Libraries/1479/16/SCBGE23W3GC057204@20_w616_x_h462_5c34779f-0460-4e11-8ba7-6ae7c6966e3e.jpg When an eel hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a Moray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyBluesKeys Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Just as a side note, I have a 21" HP touch screen monitor that works with Windows 7, 8.1, and 10 (VGA or DVI input and USB touch output). I have tried it on my DAW which uses Windows 7, and went back to the regular monitor (which is a 32" HDTV running at 1920x1080). An application that is really designed for touch control might work better, but trying to set various parameters in typical Windows programs using the touch screen is an exercise in futility - the mouse or direct numeric input both work better in my opinion. The touchscreen monitor is currently on a Windows 8.1 Media Center PC which is used for recording TV shows. The Media Center interface has large areas that can be scrolled easily using the touch screen, and doesn't have any itty bitty stuff where a mouse is almost required. And I do use an iPad rather frequently with music apps like Korg Module - so I do like the touch screen when the app is designed from the beginning to use it. I also use a Macbook Pro and Mac Mini in some audio/musical applications. YMMV. Howard Grand|Hamm SK1-73|Kurz PC2|PC2X|PC3|PC3X|PC361; QSC K10's HP DAW|Epi Les Paul & LP 5-str bass|iPad mini2 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Yes, Windows music apps may not be so optimized for touch, so you want keyboard/mouse for config, but still may like to have touch for live patch selection or specific parameter controls where it is sensible. I think Gig Performer is supposed to be good for this, I've been meaning to look into that more deeply myself. Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omvibes Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 Sorry to revive this thread, but one thing not mentioned above is cpu speed - anyne able to give me advice on minimum cpu requirements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnchop Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 The fastest you can afford. Full stop. So much depends on WHICH virtual instruments you are running. I make software noises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Golly Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Sorry to revive this thread, but one thing not mentioned above is cpu speed - anyne able to give me advice on minimum cpu requirements? Yes. The system requirements of the plugins and VST host you're planning on running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 Sorry to revive this thread, but one thing not mentioned above is cpu speed - anyne able to give me advice on minimum cpu requirements? Yes. The system requirements of the plugins and VST host you're planning on running. The fastest you can afford. Full stop. So much depends on WHICH virtual instruments you are running. Yes to all... I think the issue is that, despite Sven's technically correct answer, the "minimum" requirements can go out the window if you task the system beyond its "minimum" capabilities. The "minimum requirements" may be enough to run VSTs A, B, or C, but may not be enough to run A, B and C together. Each combination of virtual instruments, in effect, can have its own minimum requirements, and there are innumerable possible combinations. Or a minimum requirement may be enough to play at certain polyphony, but not enough to play more, or to get the lowest latency. Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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