coyote Posted March 7, 2004 Share Posted March 7, 2004 Hi, My bassist just picked up a pair of these (apparently got a good deal). But there are some issues.... first off, the response is far different than that of our monitors so they will likely require a separate mix than the monitor mix if we wanna use 'em. (They definitely give that 70's acidrock sound, though ). Second and more important, they buzz AND they don't produce nearly the volume of an inexpensive pair of Yamaha SE15 speakers. I've never had issues like this. Any ideas on how to make 'em work well? I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ViLo Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 Originally posted by coyote: Hi, My bassist just picked up a pair of these (apparently got a good deal). But there are some issues.... first off, the response is far different than that of our monitors so they will likely require a separate mix than the monitor mix if we wanna use 'em. (They definitely give that 70's acidrock sound, though ). Second and more important, they buzz AND they don't produce nearly the volume of an inexpensive pair of Yamaha SE15 speakers. I've never had issues like this. Any ideas on how to make 'em work well?I think you are the wrong forum Jesus Is Coming, Make Music, Get Ready! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 First off, what are you using them for? Additions to your existing monitor rig? The Eliminators are good speakers, but they probably need more juice than you're providing to the lesser quality Yami's. Second, they don't buzz... that would be something before them. Why you don't experience that buzz with your other speakers I can't say without diagnosing the system in person. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted March 8, 2004 Author Share Posted March 8, 2004 I ought specify - these are *old* Eliminators (3-way) with the folded horn configuration, 11 ohm. They are spec'd for 100w pure white noise continuous. The amp provides 300w into 4 ohm or 240 into 8. So I ran the two speakers in parallel - I should be getting @ 270 watts to them. In the studio they will function as monitor add-ons, but I think we're envisioning them as mains for live performance. The buzzing occurs mostly during transients, such as keystrikes on a Rhodes. For vox and most synthy stuff they seem fine. Haven't tried drums or guitar transients yet. The bass response is excellent, and the buzzing seems high-end leading me to believe the mid and/or treble drivers are blown. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted March 8, 2004 Share Posted March 8, 2004 What do you mean, "11 ohm"? Eliminator speakers, AFAIK, are all 4 or 8 ohm cabinets. How did you figure 270 watts from the amp if your load is either 4 ohms or 2 ohms? Did you mis-type? Are the speakers getting 300 watts by your estimates? It does, indeed, sound like you have a blown high freq. driver, from your description of the buzzes. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted March 8, 2004 Author Share Posted March 8, 2004 The documentation provided with the speakers specs them at 11 ohms, I kid you not! (Remember, they are old - the spec sheet provided looks like it's from @ 1970.) My amp puts 300w into 4 ohms and 240 into 8, so I figure (approx) that two 11 ohm cabs run in parallel must have a total impedance of just over 5 ohms, and therefore the amp should be able to put 270+ watts into the pair. I'm thinking that, once the buzzes are worked out, they'd actually complement the Yamahas nicely. The Yams are 8 ohm, so an 11 ohm EV in parallel with a Yam should yield just over 4 ohms impedance. One of these pairings on each side of the stage with 400 watts amplification per side would give both a modern flat response AND that old 70s character It should be enough for any gig where we'd need our own PA (heck the Yams have been sufficient - this should be a nice enhancement). I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted March 9, 2004 Share Posted March 9, 2004 You're sure these are Eliminators? EV has only produced Eliminator speakers for about 6 years. Maybe somebody put an Eliminator badge on another speaker. Care to post a pic or a scan of the documentation? It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted March 9, 2004 Author Share Posted March 9, 2004 http://www.gbaudio.co.uk/data/eliminator.htm http://www.gbaudio.co.uk/images/eliminator.jpg It looks exactly like this, except for the inclusion of a pair of midrange horns and a tweeter horn. I will scan the document when I get the chance. I assure you I am as surprised to read "nominal impedance shall be 11 ohm" as you are surprised to have me type it. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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