Veracohr Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I found this at another forum. No link provided. *************************************************** Green Party "Terrorist" Not Allowed to Fly By Frederick Sweet, Intervention Magazine January 12, 2004 Art dealer Doug Stuber, who ran Ralph Nader's Green Party presidential campaign in North Carolina in 2000, was pulled out of an airline boarding line and grounded this past holiday season. He was about to make an important trip to Prague to gather artists for Henry James Art in Raleigh, N.C., when he was told (with ticket in hand) that he was not allowed to fly out that day. When he asked why not, he was told at Raleigh-Durham airport that because of the sniper attacks, no Greens were allowed to fly overseas on that day. The next morning he returned, and instead of paying $670 round trip, was forced into a $2,600 "same day" air fare. But it's what happened to Stuber during the next 24 hours that is even more disturbing. Stuber arrived at the airport at 6 a.m. and his first flight wasn't due out until nearly six hours later. He had plenty of time. At exactly 10:52 in the morning, just before boarding was to begin, he was approached by police officer Stanley (the same policeman who ushered him out of the airport the day before), who said that he "wanted to talk" to him. Stuber went with the police officer, but reminded him that no one had said he couldn't fly, and that his flight was about to leave. Officer Stanley took Stuber into a room and questioned him for an hour. Around noon, Stanley had introduced him to two Secret Service agents. The agents took full eye-open pictures of Stuber with a digital camera. Then they asked him details about his family, where he lived, who he ever knew, what the Greens are up to, and other questions. At one point during his interrogation, Stuber asked if they really believed the Greens were equal to al Qaeda. Then they showed him a Justice Department document that actually shows the Greens as likely terrorists just as likely as al Qaeda members. Stuber was released just before 1 PM, so he still had time to catch the later flight. The agents walked Stuber to the Delta counter and asked that he be given tickets for the flight so that he could make his connections. The airline official promptly printed tickets, which relieved Stuber, who assumed that the Secret Service hadn't stopped him from flying. Wrong! By the time Stuber was about to board, officer Stanley once again ushered him out the door and told him: "Just go to Greensboro, where they don't know you, and be totally quiet about politics, and you can make it to Europe that way." In Greensboro, after Stuber showed his passport he was told that he could not fly overseas or domestically. Undeterred, he next traveled an hour-and-a-half to Charlotte. In Charlotte, the same thing happened. Then Stuber drove three hours to his home after 43 hours of trying to catch a flight. Stuber said he could only conclude that the Greens, whose values include nonviolence, social justice, etc., are now labeled terrorists by the Ashcroft-led Justice Department. Questions about how one gets on a no-fly list creates questions about how to get off it. This is a classic Catch-22 situation. The Transportation Security Agency says it compiles the list from names provided by other agencies, but it has no procedure for correcting a problem. Aggrieved parties would have to go to the agency that first reported their names. But for security reasons, the TSA won't disclose which agency put someone on the no-fly list. Frederick Sweet is Professor of Reproductive Biology in Obstetrics and Gynecology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis "And then you have these thoughts in the back of your mind like 'Why am I doing this? Or is this a figment of my imagination?'" http://www.veracohr.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourMotherShouldKnow Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 One thing I don't believe is that Stuber was responsible for buying another plane ticket. No way. The whole thing sounds whacky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salyphus Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 AlterNet Welcome to the New Amerikkka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourMotherShouldKnow Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Originally posted by Veracohr: Stuber said he could only conclude that the Greens, whose values include nonviolence, social justice, etc., are now labeled terrorists by the Ashcroft-led Justice Department. This is an odd line. I mean, who doesn't value non-violence and social justice? What the heck does that even mean? An army of Ghandi's are gonna get their asses beat down in a hurry. The rational man knows he must defend himself when he is attacked. And he knows to attack another is to betray his own freedom. And social justice? Is that different from "justice"? Justice is a concept that applies to individuals only. Only individuals commit crimes. Men can conspire but they are alone in their choices. There is no way to conceive of justice as a term when it apllies to groups of people. The term "social justice" is a cover intended to disguise what they really want. They want you dependent upon the government. They don't believe you're capable of using your own mind. They know best. I'm not a fan of Ashcroft, but a conspiracy to harass Green party members? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the stranger Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Originally posted by LanceMo: I'm not a fan of Ashcroft, but a conspiracy to harass Green party members? Why?[/QB]Because Nadar gets enough votes to matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 8 Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Why do I feel like I'm not hearing the full story here? Super 8 Hear my stuff here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zweite Version Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Now PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me that this is a joke. That would be the most fucked up thing I have heard in a while. "Ya gots to work with what you gots to work with". - Stevie Wonder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnny B Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 I think this guy should get a good lawyer and sue all their asses off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Originally posted by Johnny B: I think this guy should get a good lawyer and sue all their asses off.As an appetizer to start things off.I guess the new 3rd Reich is apperently in power. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnny B Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Well if you are saying that Bush Regime and Asscrackhead are acting like Nazi's, then I think you would have a lot of agreement from independent thinking people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
videoeditor1 Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 IF, this is true, then what is even more ominous and sinister is it's (the incident's) abscence from main stream media. Here we are, where a fucking (sorry to all the animal lovers) ferrett/gerbil/weasel/woodchuck sees it's shadow and it's news, or, a canine ends up on a train from CT to NY and it's "stop the presses" time I did a search and came up with other incidents involving the Green Party and airline travel. Nov 2001 and exactly one year ago in twin cities and Dec 2002 What gives? Is this one or two instances of the same occurence being re-reported? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alndln Posted January 17, 2004 Share Posted January 17, 2004 Originally posted by NYC Drew: then what is even more ominous and sinister is it's (the incident's) abscence from main stream media.How true.Aside from frivilous meaningless stories on the news we also get false info,like when Flight 587 went down in Brooklyn and every major news station wen't out of their way to say there is no eveidence of terrorism before one fire truck was on the scene,nor did they even know that the flight took off from Kennedy,they thought it was arriving from Boston ,but they did know the accident wasn't terror related for sure .I knew the score right then and there. "A Robot Playing Trumpet Blows" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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