Darklava Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Originally posted by nobnib: Originally posted by WOW: quote:Howard Dean said today that America is no safer now than before we captured Saddam. I agree with him. After all, he's still running for president. I could not believe it when he said it. He is either the DUMBEST candidate EVER, or he is a plant to make a "soon to be named" candidate look very "middle" of the road. You mean you actually think that the capture of Saddam in a hole has made the US safer? The story of life is quicker then the blink of an eye, the story of love is hello, goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneinaPond Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 They don't give a fuck who's in office their coming to get us at all cost. Aw fuck. Here we go again. Who the hell is THEY. Is this some bogey man in your dreams? Think for Ch****'s sake (or whomever you happen to believe in) and stop with the "they." Be specific! Yorik Stone In A Pond "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklava Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Originally posted by StoneinaPond: They don't give a fuck who's in office their coming to get us at all cost. Aw fuck. Here we go again. Who the hell is THEY. Is this some bogey man in your dreams? Think for Ch****'s sake (or whomever you happen to believe in) and stop with the "they." Be specific! The story of life is quicker then the blink of an eye, the story of love is hello, goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneinaPond Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Any fucking Muslim in the mideast or where ever the muslims that can't stand us for what ever reason it is. I guess I asked for it. Should have known better. I guess it really is a "Great Day For Exxon, BP, and Haliburton." With discourse like this, they can rely on carrying on as usual and no one will notice. Yorik Stone In A Pond "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklava Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Originally posted by StoneinaPond: Any fucking Muslim in the mideast or where ever the muslims that can't stand us for what ever reason it is. I guess I asked for it. Should have known better. why do you think 9/11 happened?Who's doing the bombing around the world?who hijacked the planes? Come on stone help me learn if I'm wrong, don't leave me hagging here.I'm just another stupid fuck that want's to know the truth. The story of life is quicker then the blink of an eye, the story of love is hello, goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklava Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Originally posted by StoneinaPond: Any fucking Muslim in the mideast or where ever the muslims that can't stand us for what ever reason it is. I guess I asked for it. Should have known better. I guess it really is a "Great Day For Exxon, BP, and Haliburton." With discourse like this, they can rely on carrying on as usual and no one will notice.So your saying it's our goverment that's behind all this SO EXXON,HALIBURTON,CHANEY,BUSH CAN ALL MAKE MONEY and fuck all of us? The story of life is quicker then the blink of an eye, the story of love is hello, goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneinaPond Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 why do you think 9/11 happened?Who's doing the bombing around the world?who hijacked the planes? Come on stone help me learn if I'm wrong, don't leave me hagging here.I'm just another stupid fuck that want's to know the truth. I smell bait. Look, it's not for me to teach you history. You have a computer, you have internet access and this how you spell "Google." There is a ton of information out there, both pro and against. My only advice is that if you start with the premise of "they" you will only see one side. Me, they, me, they.... Get it? So your saying it's our goverment that's behind all this SO EXXON,HALIBURTON,CHANEY,BUSH CAN ALL MAKE MONEY and fuck all of us? No, our government isn't behind this in the “conspiracy theory” sense, but yes, they are very much a part of the problem, as are you and me and everybody else out there. It takes a level of intelligence, introspection and contemplation to get beyond the sense of self, and begin to try and understand this crazy fucked up planet we are living on. But as long as you define the world in an “us and them” dialogue, you are doomed to failure. Just my own humble opinion. I hope you have a fruitful search. Yorik Stone In A Pond "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklava Posted December 16, 2003 Share Posted December 16, 2003 Originally posted by StoneinaPond: why do you think 9/11 happened?Who's doing the bombing around the world?who hijacked the planes? Come on stone help me learn if I'm wrong, don't leave me hagging here.I'm just another stupid fuck that want's to know the truth. I smell bait. Look, it's not for me to teach you history. You have a computer, you have internet access and this how you spell "Google." There is a ton of information out there, both pro and against. My only advice is that if you start with the premise of "they" you will only see one side. Me, they, me, they.... Get it? So your saying it's our goverment that's behind all this SO EXXON,HALIBURTON,CHANEY,BUSH CAN ALL MAKE MONEY and fuck all of us? No, our government isn't behind this in the “conspiracy theory” sense, but yes, they are very much a part of the problem, as are you and me and everybody else out there. It takes a level of intelligence, introspection and contemplation to get beyond the sense of self, and begin to try and understand this crazy fucked up planet we are living on. But as long as you define the world in an “us and them” dialogue, you are doomed to failure. Just my own humble opinion. I hope you have a fruitful search. Sorry if you think I was bating you that was not my intention.You are right though. Guess I should just keep my mouth shut if I don't know what I'm talking about.It's hard to learn the truth when you don't know what the truth really is. The story of life is quicker then the blink of an eye, the story of love is hello, goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StoneinaPond Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 By the way DARKLAVA, who is this Boley? Yorik Stone In A Pond "Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklava Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Originally posted by StoneinaPond: By the way DARKLAVA, who is this Boley?It was an old twilight zone episode,a little boy wanted this older guy who was a boxer to believe that he could win his fight.It's been awhile but it was something like that.BTW thanks for not ripping me for being a jerk,see I did learn something from you. The story of life is quicker then the blink of an eye, the story of love is hello, goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GZsound Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Originally posted by Johnny B: Why don't we look at it this way. Let's pretend just for the moment that there was no SH or OBL, and 9/11 never happened. So we are going to set those issues aside. Then ask yourself, "Is America any safer, or even further, are YOU any better off?" I think a good case can be made that "No, you are not better off or any safer," the un-Patriot Act and massive federal spending on wasteful projects that will not benefit Amercians is what you are left with. My god you can be so funny... "Let's pretend 9/11 never happened...the un-Patriot Act and massive federal spending on wasteful projects..etc." Johnny.. Reality check... If we pretend 9/11 never happened then all the resultant issues didn't happen either..you know, like the Patriot Act? You are such a dimwit... Mark G. "A man may fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame others" -- John Burroughs "I consider ethics, as well as religion, as supplements to law in the government of man." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bitch Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Hey lets act like hitler was never around and tell all the jews it didnt really happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcohol_ Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Originally posted by WOW: Hey lets act like hitler was never around and tell all the jews it didnt really happen. That would be Holocaust Revisionism. A far right wing movement. One of the leaders of the Holocaust Revisionism movement is William Pierce the author of the Turner Diaries, often given as motivation for Timothy McVeighs endeavor in domestic terrorism. Timothy McVeigh was a self described Libertarian and anti-government zealot. WOW, it would be wrong to try to paint JohnnyB as a Holocaust Revisionist. That would more suit your affiliations: Libertarian, anti-government, right wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bitch Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnny B Posted December 17, 2003 Author Share Posted December 17, 2003 What I'm saying is to set all of Bush and Cheney's propaganda aside for A MOMENT and then see what BUSH and Cheney have done to you. So what I find is some people cannot engage in a intellectual exercise where you look at different sets of facts. DUH, University Professors often do this....They try to get their students to think outside of their little preconceived notions which are often rather narrowminded. Once you take out the propaganda, what you are left with are really bad acitions on the part of Bush and Cheney. Actions, which contain all the indicia of a criminal enterprise. For example, Cheney is still refusing to honor court orders that he turn over the evidence he is withholding (hiding) on his secret meetings with energy officials. Cheney refuses to even tell the names of the participants or what their titles were. Why? Because Cheney is trying to cover up his misdeeds and crimes. Well what happened? Shortly after Cheney's little secret meet, California's energy prices went through the roof. So did Nevada's and several other states. They were all victims of this little price-fixing scam concocted by Cheney in the White House. BTW, this is not just one crime, this is a whole series of crimes, multiple crimes we are looking at that Cheney committed. Cheney trying to hide evidence points in the direction of guilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bitch Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 PuzzleFish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil B Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 A Great Day for Halliburton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnny B Posted December 18, 2003 Author Share Posted December 18, 2003 A few units of Halliburton filing BK to avoid paying out on legitmate asbestos claims is just another legal scam. Examine the details of their "plan" they file with the court and you'll probably find that the execs are all getting big rasies. UAL and a bunch of big companies like PG&E have played this game. Often it is done to attempt to get concessions from their loyal emnployees while giving the mucks more money. Look at it as just another big business move to screw people. Nothing more. I do appreciate the info on Cheney being posted on the preceding page, it's time his direct financail ties to Halliburton become more widely known. Notice, that as the DOD chief, he hire Halliburon to do a study which concludes what? Hey, let's outsource. Then he goe to Halliburton and guess what? Yep, Halliburton gets the outsourceing biz. Then he goes back into the government, and now waht. Halliburton gets no-bid contracts. All the while Cheney is still getting money from Halliburton. It stinks and it is a federal crime. Cheney needs to go to jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bitch Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Richmond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnny B Posted December 18, 2003 Author Share Posted December 18, 2003 Exxon, Halliburton, BP and Cheney will all be getting their share of record profits courtesy of the US taxpayers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Originally posted by alcohol_: That would be Holocaust Revisionism. A far right wing movement. One of the leaders of the Holocaust Revisionism movement is William Pierce the author of the Turner Diaries, often given as motivation for Timothy McVeighs endeavor in domestic terrorism. Timothy McVeigh was a self described Libertarian and anti-government zealot. WOW, it would be wrong to try to paint JohnnyB as a Holocaust Revisionist. That would more suit your affiliations: Libertarian, anti-government, right wing I don't know what fucked up ideas you have about the Libertarian party, but as a Lib, I am completely offended by you associating me with some fucking wacko Anti-Semite redneck with an anarchistic streak. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Johnny B Posted December 18, 2003 Author Share Posted December 18, 2003 Relax, I don't think anyone understood that as a remark directed at you personally, more like a round about haymaker that landed on WOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GZsound Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 I know.. instead of passing ideas around, let's start cussing at each other. That always shows the intelligence level of the poster. Profanity..the last refuge of the terminally sullen. Mark G. "A man may fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame others" -- John Burroughs "I consider ethics, as well as religion, as supplements to law in the government of man." -- Thomas Jefferson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wireline Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Y'all the bitch about Haliburton... Do you know what it is they do? Do you know of any other corporation anywhere on this planet that does what they do? Didn't think so...Haliburton got its no bid contracts because they are the only outfit on the Earth that does what they can do...and not because of any political ties, conspiracies, backroom shenanighans, or any of that other tripe floating around here... So What ARE We Gonna Do With 8 Tracks...Fire the Arranger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Moore Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 'Course were talking about guys that think cessna should bid on building the replacements for 757's. Chuck Moore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Bitch Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Do you know what it is they do? Do you know of any other corporation anywhere on this planet that does what they do? Didn't think so...Haliburton got its no bid contracts because they are the only outfit on the Earth that does what they can do...and not because of any political ties, conspiracies, backroom shenanighans, or any of that other tripe floating around here... You are wasting your time. I have posted all of this before and they will NOT listen. They dont care, it kills their arguments. I have resorted to just LOL at these guys, its fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil B Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Originally posted by Johnny B: A few units of Halliburton filing BK to avoid paying out on legitmate asbestos claims is just another legal scam. Examine the details of their "plan" they file with the court and you'll probably find that the execs are all getting big rasies.Here's the plan ... feel free. Let us know if you find anything juicy... Amendment Plan And I think you go a little far in your characterization of Chapter 11 as merely a "legal scam." Many companies have filed Chapter 11 when immense actual and potential asbestos liabilities exist as a way to seek a comprehensive, one-time resolution of the liability. All those with claims must come forward once the company enters bankruptcy and one settlement with all of them can be negotiated and included in the pre-packaged bankruptcy plan. In my opinion (feel free to disagree, of course), this is a good thing because it allows companies (public companies, especially) to pay a sum certain and then get on with their business. Those with legitimate claims (and even some of those without legitimate claims) are compensated, but the company is not "liquidated," which generally would result in public shareholders losing everything. By entering Chapter 11 and resolving the claims that way, the company is able to survive going forward while still remaining accountable for its use of asbestos to the extent the courts have found them to be so liable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Originally posted by WireLine Studio: Y'all the bitch about Haliburton... Do you know what it is they do? Do you know of any other corporation anywhere on this planet that does what they do? Didn't think so...Haliburton got its no bid contracts because they are the only outfit on the Earth that does what they can do...and not because of any political ties, conspiracies, backroom shenanighans, or any of that other tripe floating around here...Wait - you mean to tell me that Haliburton is the only company on Earth that does subcontracting? Wow. I did not know that. In case you were wondering, the only Haliburton people that have even so much as made an appearance in Iraq have been the honchos that come in and check up on the work all the subcontractors are doing. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmee Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 dedicated to WoW... >> logic blind (mp3) http://www.schmee.biz/chronic/lilback-logicblind.jpg and so the next day will deliver as if your victory was forgotten and so the next day will deliver the same issues you had fought on because superficial victory is hollow and meaningless because superficial victory was Aristotle's nemesis that Sun Tzu taught us well a classic through and through Sun Tzu had taught us well as to what we all should do but did we learn it all was there something that we missed but did we learn at all when we failed to fully invest just skimming the pages of time never taking history's doses just skimming the pages of crime in a superficial hypnosis seeing only what we care to see too busy winning victories seeing only what we care to be too busy making enemies just bumper-sticker, T-shirt logic and corporate, sound bite consumption just bumper-sticker, T-shirt logic the winds of social disfunction rigid ideology and partisan insulation bear children to a conflict age cram children in the conflict nation old and young and child alike lost forever to the human condition and old and young and children alike bent on revenge and superstition you've won your little victory had your say and all that matters you've won your little victory that's why the crowds all scattered you think we've lost the fight but fail to see that we're not fighting you think we've lost the fight and fail to see our minds uniting there's no right and wrong only dead and alive there's no right and wrong only war and peace and there's plenty in between your black and white there's plenty in between the arguments you fight because logic is a friend and a tool and more than a club and kind of a school and logic is a friend and a tool of the close-minded fool, who loses his cool and superficial victory reveals what you can't confess because superficial victory is hollow and meaningless meaningless to most while the technicians won't disagree still meaningless to most because logic can't hide reality and one day we'll do the work we'll study the ancient tomes one day we'll do the work and learn it in our own homes we'll invite the possibility and open our minds and see what we see we'll invite the possibility fuck Sun Tzu, and finally see free --_ ______________ _ "Self-awareness is the key to your upheaval from mediocrity." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklava Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 Originally posted by schmee: dedicated to WoW... >> logic blind (mp3) http://www.schmee.biz/chronic/lilback-logicblind.jpg and so the next day will deliver as if your victory was forgotten and so the next day will deliver the same issues you had fought on because superficial victory is hollow and meaningless because superficial victory was Aristotle's nemesis that Sun Tzu taught us well a classic through and through Sun Tzu had taught us well as to what we all should do but did we learn it all was there something that we missed but did we learn at all when we failed to fully invest just skimming the pages of time never taking history's doses just skimming the pages of crime in a superficial hypnosis seeing only what we care to see too busy winning victories seeing only what we care to be too busy making enemies just bumper-sticker, T-shirt logic and corporate, sound bite consumption just bumper-sticker, T-shirt logic the winds of social disfunction rigid ideology and partisan insulation bear children to a conflict age cram children in the conflict nation old and young and child alike lost forever to the human condition and old and young and children alike bent on revenge and superstition you've won your little victory had your say and all that matters you've won your little victory that's why the crowds all scattered you think we've lost the fight but fail to see that we're not fighting you think we've lost the fight and fail to see our minds uniting there's no right and wrong only dead and alive there's no right and wrong only war and peace and there's plenty in between your black and white there's plenty in between the arguments you fight because logic is a friend and a tool and more than a club and kind of a school and logic is a friend and a tool of the close-minded fool, who loses his cool and superficial victory reveals what you can't confess because superficial victory is hollow and meaningless meaningless to most while the technicians won't disagree still meaningless to most because logic can't hide reality and one day we'll do the work we'll study the ancient tomes one day we'll do the work and learn it in our own homes we'll invite the possibility and open our minds and see what we see we'll invite the possibility fuck Sun Tzu, and finally see free The story of life is quicker then the blink of an eye, the story of love is hello, goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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