Norwegia Posted May 28, 2009 Share Posted May 28, 2009 As a fairly bored Death Metal bassist, I have decided to formulate a guide to playing bass in the often overlooked and misunderstood kind of music. I will include gear recomendations, bassists to check out, and the basic techniques used by the death metal bassist. The first subject I will cover is Technique. To be honest, there really is no special ultimate "Death Metal" technique other then hit the strings HARD sometimes and softly when its (rarly) called for. I encorporate slapping, tapping, 3 fingers, 2 fingers, used to use a pick for our thrash metal songs, and everything in between. I have even gone as far as stealing Les Claypool's strumming technique. Its really what YOU prefer. As long as it sounds brutal that is. This leads into my second section: TONE. This is what its all about. You may have chops over 9000 miles wide, but if you ain't got tone you ain't got nothin'. You can either go for a clean tone, a distored tone, an even more distorted tone, or somewhere in between. Your gear choice and how you have it all eq'd will have alot to do with this, but more on that in a sec. I really can't emphasize this point enough. As one of the better metal bassist's in my area (or so I've been told) I often go to shows and end up wanting to rip my hair out because of a good bassist with good gear with a craptastic tone. This next section is all about gear. Since I don't feel like typing everything in this out in paragraphs I'll list the typical amp companies and basses and rate them on how I feel they perform for Death Metal. AMPS Ampeg: 3 stars for the Combos, and 5 for the nicer heads (cough SVT-4 and the Classic). You really just cant go wrong with a nice Ampeg amp setup. You can go as clean as you want, to as dirty as you want with these baby's, but the reports I've heard have indicated they can start to break up at extremely low tunings (G and below). If you don't plan on going that low, I'd say go for it. Now. SWR:5 Stars. Excellent products for metal in my opinion. They can sound just as good as an ampeg, and I think better if your'e running clean. They can stand the road, get as loud as you need, whatever. Eden:5 Stars. Another awesome product, throw a sansamp in front of it if you want distortion, or just leave it flat if you want to run clean. Expensive though... Warwick: 3.5 Stars: These amps are okay, but I would much rather have one of the above. Kustom: Never played a nice one myself, but I've heard good things Line6:4 Stars. Since I'm a little lacking on money I use a Line 6 Lowdown live, and I still love it. I usually leave it on the Clean(Eden) or Rock('74 SVT) and it sounds good for what I do, since I only have the 112 150 Combo its lacking some volume, but if I get lucky with the room I can still cut through. Gallien-Krueger:2 Stars. Sound meh for death metal...but every time I use one something breaks, so I tend to avoid these. I will add more soon. BASSES Anywhere from a 3 stringer to something with several thousand strings will work, as long as you can make it sound good. I prefer Spectors and Warwicks with active pickups (Im a sucker for good ol' EMG's) I usually just leave the EQ fairly flat, might boost the low Mids and Treble a bit when I have a 4 band EQ, or make kind of an "M" shape when I have a graphic EQ, but it is really up to you, the bassist, to decide. I will be adding a huge death metal playlist as soon as I finish making it on youtube. Also, any comments/suggestions would be AWESOME. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Your suggestions would work for nearly any style. Get a good amp and good bass and learn how to get the sound you want from them. It's universal. Meanwhile, I'm waiting to see your playlist so I can see how out of it I am. I'd be surprised if I recognized the names of more than one or two groups. That's ok, no one I know likes the music I listen to either. Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwegia Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 Thanks for the comment Jeremy Youtube appears to hate me so I'm just going to link individual videos. Actually, I should most likely get that done right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwegia Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 The Classics of Death Metal Cannibal Corpse: Death: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euHMldrw4fw Deicide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xX0ECDYGRs Dying Fetus: Newer Bands The Black Dahlia Murder: Skeleton Witch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klweUM8wj4g *Behemoth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHhZ2LThpv4 *Arch Enemy: Prog. Death Metal Opeth: Gojira: Meshuggah: Just because Mastodon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUPROk1JAvw Blind Illusion (Les Claypool and Ler before Primus): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEk3zUqJIc8 More will be added as I think of them *=Popular bands that I really dont much like myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 OK, I've heard of one of those bands, but haven't heard them. The only reason I remember the name is because it seems a little strange to me that a Swedish band would give themselves a name which means crazy in Yiddish. I didn't know that people spoke Yiddish in Sweden. Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwegia Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 Its what happens when your'e from sweden and play in 25/16 I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddiePlaysBass Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I've seen Cannibal Corpse and Opeth live, and in both cases (especially Cannibal Corpse) I was really impressed with the bassist's ability to "simply" double the intricate guitar riffs. Kudos to Death, afaik their bassist (whose name eludes me) played a tuned-down fretless on most of their (popular) albums "I'm a work in progress." Micky Barnes The Ross Brown Shirt World Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizzo9247 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 I've heard of some of the bands, and had the pleasure of seeing Opeth at a "Progressive Nation" tour in 08 with several other bands. They were very good at what they did, just not my thing. I don't particulary agree with your selection of amps/basses. Just because certain bass players use certain equipment does not mean that X brand is for X music. I came to the realization that I sound like me when I play, regardless of equipment. Get something of good quality and have fun; metal, punk, jazz, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwegia Posted May 29, 2009 Author Share Posted May 29, 2009 Thanks for the comment Rizzo. Im fairly sure I said anything will do as long as you think it sounds good, and just listed some brands and what I think of them off the top of my head. I also think I said that any bass will do as long as you like it and it works. I will NEVER try and force a product I like upon some one just because I don't agree with their choice in equipment. These are all just my suggestions to the new Death Metal Bassist. [edit] Changed the name to better reflect what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JukeBoxHero Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 That would be Steve Digiorgio, played/recorded with Sadus, Death, Obituary(maybe, might be thinking of someone else), ect. I've heard of all of the bands you put on your list, Norwegia, I would recommend putting Atheist on that list of the bands. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEP7BfZsC9c&feature=related Life http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WbWt9QmIyA No Truth Poor quality on youtube can really destroy the sound quality of the songs listed, but displays great bass work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jb350 Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Is mastadon considered Death Metal? Regardless i think they're pretty expletive good. Troy sanders, our low note brother made the cover of BP this past issue. Ithink Steve Diorgio was featured in BP about 10 yrs ago. These go to 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky McDougall Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 What is "Death Metal" anyway? Rocky "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb, voting on what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb, contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu Fhtagn Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 It's metal that's not heavy metal, thrash metal, trash metal, speed metal, shred metal, grindcore, hardcore, mallcore, hardmallcore, mallhardcore, deathcore, harddeathcore, malldeathcore, hardmalldeathcore, spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans and spam, or vegetaring deathcore, or Nickleback. In other words, it depends who you ask. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 Is it really necessary to divide the world of music up into so many different slices? Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu Fhtagn Posted May 29, 2009 Share Posted May 29, 2009 No. However, there is marketing and labeling to consider. It allows us to feel "superior" because "our" music is better, more meaningful, more emotional, less mainstream, honest, etc. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 It's metal that's not heavy metal, thrash metal, trash metal, speed metal, shred metal, grindcore, hardcore, mallcore, hardmallcore, mallhardcore, deathcore, harddeathcore, malldeathcore, hardmalldeathcore, spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans and spam, or vegetaring deathcore, or Nickleback. In other words, it depends who you ask. Dammit, you forgot Vegetarian Progressive Metal. YOU SUCK!!!!! Oh - and you're other words. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Is it really necessary to divide the world of music up into so many different slices? In the immortal words of Furry Ed... "Not everyone likes metal. Well F*** THEM!!!!!!" And you're many different slices. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calypsocoral Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I'm more of a Thrash guy myself-- especially Anthrax and early Metallica (all hail Cliff Burton). Regarding tone-- what sort of sound do you consider ideal? No offense intended to bassists in the extreme metal genres, but I found it difficult to hear the bass under distorted guitars layered a mile thick, which seems to be the norm in Death Metal and Black Metal, among others. Do you go for a boomy, crushing, bass-heavy sound? Or something with more midrange punch? Do you prefer to run it clean or dial in a little overdrive? Regarding amps, do you have a preferred setup? Do you prefer 2x15 cabs? 4x10's? 8x10's? I was a little surprised to see SWR in your list of recommendations-- I typically associate them with funk, NuMetal, and other styles that utilize the slap technique. Do you have any experience with amps from Mesa or Trace Elliot, by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu Fhtagn Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Dammit, you forgot Vegetarian Progressive Metal. THAT'S what I was trying to remember. I both mis-remembered and misspelled. But then again, I'm not a 13 year old female ethnic central Asian from Kansas. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b5pilot Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 The Classics of Death Metal Cannibal Corpse: Death: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euHMldrw4fw Deicide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xX0ECDYGRs Dying Fetus: Newer Bands The Black Dahlia Murder: Skeleton Witch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klweUM8wj4g *Behemoth: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHhZ2LThpv4 *Arch Enemy: Prog. Death Metal Opeth: Gojira: Meshuggah: Just because Mastodon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUPROk1JAvw Blind Illusion (Les Claypool and Ler before Primus): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEk3zUqJIc8 More will be added as I think of them *=Popular bands that I really dont much like myself I'm surprised. No Cradle of Filth? I have a friend who spent a very brief time with them when they were having trouble with their guitarist. He used to bring me some of their tracks to listen to. A wild bunch, those guys. Lydian mode? The only mode I know has the words "pie ala" in front of it. http://www.myspace.com/theeldoradosband Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky McDougall Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Oh! Thanks Flank, now I understand. What has more sub-genre divisions, Rock or Jazz? I think Rock. Rocky "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb, voting on what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb, contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I'm starting a new sub-genre. All my music will consist of songs which are blues in Ab minor with a swing beat and a tempo of 180. The style will be called jazz-cave-in. (in honor of a flat miner.) Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric VB Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 No offense intended to bassists in the extreme metal genres, but I found it difficult to hear the bass under distorted guitars layered a mile thick, which seems to be the norm in Death Metal and Black Metal, among others.Me too. The frequency masking is brutal. Line6:4 Stars. Since I'm a little lacking on money I use a Line 6 Lowdown live, and I still love it. I usually leave it on the Clean(Eden) or Rock('74 SVT) and it sounds good for what I do, since I only have the 112 150 Combo its lacking some volume, but if I get lucky with the room I can still cut through.What are your guitarists using for amplification? Is your drummer quiet or loud? Do you send your DI out through FOH? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b5pilot Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I consider some bluegrass to be a form of thrash-country. Those mandolin and banjo pickers really get it going. Lydian mode? The only mode I know has the words "pie ala" in front of it. http://www.myspace.com/theeldoradosband Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu Fhtagn Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Ah, imagine the effect of smoke issuing from a mando or banjo during an insane blugrass solo (ala Ace Frehley of Kiss). We could call it "Glitter-Grass"? Is this thread at knife-point yet? Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I'm starting a new sub-genre. All my music will consist of songs which are blues in Ab minor with a swing beat and a tempo of 180. The style will be called jazz-cave-in. (in honor of a flat miner.) http://www.opaquelucidity.com/facepalm.jpg A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jalba Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 "This leads into my second section: TONE. This is what its all about. You may have chops over 9000 miles wide, but if you ain't got tone you ain't got nothin'. You can either go for a clean tone, a distored tone, an even more distorted tone, or somewhere in between. Your gear choice and how you have it all eq'd will have alot to do with this, but more on that in a sec. I really can't emphasize this point enough. As one of the better metal bassist's in my area (or so I've been told) I often go to shows and end up wanting to rip my hair out because of a good bassist with good gear with a craptastic tone." Agreed, the tone part is a tricky being a metal bassist. I fortunately play in a 4 piece with one guitar. But there is a power struggle between me and the guitarist cause he has a Mesa Boogie Triple Rectifier with the Voodoo mod. Im not a fan for the traditional Mesa sound. Before i could turn my volume knob to 7 and mask his guitar. But with that mod on the head its like there is no need for a bass. so the tone has become an issue. generally i enjoy a good mid range punch with my Warwick $$ through my eden head(thumbs up). But now with the new guitar head i need more low end. But that feeds that Craptastic tone... It bothers me soo (faceplam) Check out my band!! www.myspace.com/shatteredred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu Fhtagn Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Well, I'm sure glad the tone argument came up. I used to play a lot of older metal in the day (back when it was just "metal") and the problem was that by the time one detuned, had the volume up high enough on the craptabulous house rig, and then decided to plug in the ODB-3 with all the knobs full clockwise, one would end up with a square wave so huge it looked like Moot's dental work. You just can't convince kids now-a-days that in order to have proper metal, you don't have to sound like your DI is an old paint can 1/8 full of flat washers. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calypsocoral Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 Unfortunately, crappy sound quality seems to be a long-time fashion trend in the extreme metal genres, especially when recording. If your recording sounds like you actually had a professional sound man try to do anything with it, your record gets accused of sounding "over-produced." I thought the Black Metal band Dimmu Borgir's remake of their previous album "Stormblast" sounded awesome-- but all the critics complained it was "over-produced" and "too clean." Here is a single off that album, Sorgens Kammer Del. 2 (version 2). WARNING-- VIOLENT AND OCCULT IMAGERY. DO NOT VIEW IF EASILY-OFFENDED! Personally, I see nothing wrong with a quality recording that lets you hear all of the instrumentation, and balances them accordingly. If that ruins my cred, so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu Fhtagn Posted May 31, 2009 Share Posted May 31, 2009 There's the rub. If you create music to appeal to other musicians, you starve to death because real musicians can't afford to buy your music. If you create music to appeal to sweaty, unpopular, post-pubecent 14 year old males with self-esteem and social issues, you starve to death because they are downloading from file shares and you can't afford to make the music. I'm just going to stay home and play Wii. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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