fantasticsound Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Yep, Phil Collins was an endorser of the M88. They used concert shots in ads for the mic in the late 1980's. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Wow! A PB90... I never would've guessed! ... Very cool mic to own, especially refurbed properly! Does it sound akin to the 44 or do they differ substantially? What Mr Kane told me was that the PB90 was made, and it was expensive to manufactuer. He said that they simplified some of the internal parts designs, and released the revision as the 44, which was cheaper to make, therefore easier to sell. Bill Interesting. In the late 1990's when Shure introduced the Beta91 they stopped manufacturing the SM91 altogether because of manufacturing issues. I'm glad RCA found a way to continue making Velocity mics in a more affordable manner. (Well... back then maybe! They're only affordable today in comparison to the 77's. ) It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trucks Posted April 9, 2008 Share Posted April 9, 2008 Awesome, thanks for the info Bill. I will have to see if I can experiment with them. Oh wait.. Phil Collins? Hmmm.. Soundclick Myspace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billster Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 The Beyer M88 has a sonic signature much like the famous Sennheiser MD441. Thi smakes is usable for many, many things, from kick drum and toms, through cabs and Leslie micing, through horns, and on to vocals. Bill Yeah, I think it has more presence on vocals than the Shure 57 or 58, and it's great for trumpet. Buy my CD on CD Baby! Bill Hartzell - the website MySpace?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 And it doesn't fall to pieces under moderate stresses. The 441 demands to be treated delicately! It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 And it doesn't fall to pieces under moderate stresses. The 441 demands to be treated delicately! Yes, unfortunately the MD441 has the worst stand clip on the planet. Scott Fraser Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillWelcome Home Studios Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Yes, unfortunately the MD441 has the worst stand clip on the planet. Scott Fraser I seldom see a 441 that is not taped to the clip. The up side is that it is clear plastic and therefore impossible to find the parts when it does break, is fairly expensive, and is hard to find as no one carries them in stock. So when it does break (like, every time you use it...), you lose the use of an expensive mic, since pretty much no other clip on the planet fits the mic. Bill "I believe that entertainment can aspire to be art, and can become art, but if you set out to make art you're an idiot." Steve Martin Show business: we're all here because we're not all there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 And it doesn't fall to pieces under moderate stresses. The 441 demands to be treated delicately! Yes, unfortunately the MD441 has the worst stand clip on the planet. Scott Fraser No doubt, Scott! The only other contender I know of for worst clip... MD421! At least the 421 is a little more resistant to abuse... (But not much!) I'm still amazed Sennheiser never saw fit to make a better connection for these clips or perhaps a metal version of the clip. How hard might that be? How much could it possibly cost over 30 or 40 years these mics have been around? It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Yes, unfortunately the MD441 has the worst stand clip on the planet. Scott Fraser I seldom see a 441 that is not taped to the clip. The up side is that it is clear plastic and therefore impossible to find the parts when it does break, is fairly expensive, and is hard to find as no one carries them in stock. So when it does break (like, every time you use it...), you lose the use of an expensive mic, since pretty much no other clip on the planet fits the mic. Bill Bill, do you have a picture of that clip? maybe two or three views of it... http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillWelcome Home Studios Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 I haven't owned a 441 in years. Here is a view from B&H. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/153972-REG/Sennheiser_MZA441_MZA441_Locking_Stand_Adapter.html and Sennheiser: http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/productdetail.asp?transid=000993 Bill "I believe that entertainment can aspire to be art, and can become art, but if you set out to make art you're an idiot." Steve Martin Show business: we're all here because we're not all there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted April 10, 2008 Share Posted April 10, 2008 Maybe I can find one here locally, scan it into a cad file and make some in nylon with SLS technology. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_laser_sintering http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillWelcome Home Studios Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Maybe I can find one here locally, scan it into a cad file and make some in nylon with SLS technology. I figured that was where you were headed. As you can see, it is an expensive part. Would it be worth making an unbreakable one? I'm not sure for one reason...apparently Sennheiser has a soft rubber one available. I've only seen the clear plastic ones, and they snap so very easily... Bill "I believe that entertainment can aspire to be art, and can become art, but if you set out to make art you're an idiot." Steve Martin Show business: we're all here because we're not all there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Yep, really once you have it scanned it is very easy and fast to make them, it doesn't matter how complex the features of the part is. You can make as many as will fit on a 36X36 inch platform in around two hours. http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 AND... and this is NEAT!!... you can manipulate the software to have it build the formation around a metallic object like a threaded brass insert!! http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 Maybe I can find one here locally, scan it into a cad file and make some in nylon with SLS technology. Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_laser_sintering Sign me up for one. I have two MD441s & one has a funky clip. Not broken per se, but the sliding latch no longer locks into place. It's a heavy mic & when pointing down, like onto a floor tom, it easily slides out of the crappily designed clip if that latch doesn't hold. Bad design. Scott Fraser Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 I'm quite sure you can find an MD421 at most any studio, Lee. The 441 may not be so easy but they are out there. Only trouble being the likelyhood is someone's already broken the clip! The 421's clip is simply a narrow yoke. It slides into a channel on the mic's body and locks in place. It was designed to be low profile, allowing the mic to be placed relatively easily (considering it's rather large size) around drum hardware. The connection is a PITA. If the yoke itself doesn't break than people are constantly detaching the lock by accident. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 BTW - That SLS process is giving me all kinds of ideas.... This is gonna cost me down the line. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 "I'm quite sure you can find an MD421 at most any studio, Lee." Right, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let me take it to be scanned, and these scanners are bigger than you car!!! LOL..... Axis: 1,930mm (Length)* Y Axis: 1,524mm or 1828mm (up-down Vertical) Z Axis: 1,320mm (in-out Horizontal) Overall Length: 5,000mm Overall Height: 3,820 or 4,124mm Overall Width: 3,080mm(includes Z axis travel area) CNC Work Speed Range: 0-10,160mm per minute Typical CNC Work Speed: 5,080-7,620mm per minute Scanning Max. Speed: 7,620mm per minute Scanning Typical Speed: 1,270-3,810mm per minute http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 BTW - That SLS process is giving me all kinds of ideas.... This is gonna cost me down the line. http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fantasticsound Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 "I'm quite sure you can find an MD421 at most any studio, Lee." Right, but I'm pretty sure they wouldn't let me take it to be scanned... Don't assume. Many studios have more MD421's than they need for a given days' sessions. If not a studio check with some audio production houses. They'd love to have a relatively low cost source for higher quality clips. It's easiest to find me on Facebook. Neil Bergman Soundclick fntstcsnd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 I haven't owned a 441 in years. Here is a view from B&H. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/153972-REG/Sennheiser_MZA441_MZA441_Locking_Stand_Adapter.html and Sennheiser: http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/productdetail.asp?transid=000993 I have a 441 that I purchased back in '89-'90...and it came with a heavy duty black clip. Yes...it too is plastic, but it is that tough plastic...not the clear plastic clips that seem to break up real easy. But then...my 441 is an all-black model, hence the black clip. This is the clip I haveand the mic is just like mine, although like I saidmine is all-blackincluding the grill and side panels: http://cgi.ebay.com/SENNHEISER-MD-441-U-GERMAN-Vintage-Microphone-MD441-XLR_W0QQitemZ230238560922QQcmdZViewItem You can get the black clips: http://www.fullcompass.com/product/298022.html miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted April 11, 2008 Share Posted April 11, 2008 I have a 441 that I purchased back in '89-'90...and it came with a heavy duty black clip. Yes...it too is plastic, but it is that tough plastic...not the clear plastic clips that seem to break up real easy. But then...my 441 is an all-black model, hence the black clip. This is the clip I haveand the mic is just like mine, although like I saidmine is all-blackincluding the grill and side panels: http://cgi.ebay.com/SENNHEISER-MD-441-U-GERMAN-Vintage-Microphone-MD441-XLR_W0QQitemZ230238560922QQcmdZViewItem You can get the black clips: http://www.fullcompass.com/product/298022.html Looks like the quick release clip does away with the latching catch, which is a very weak point, & also looks to be an unbreakable semi flexible plastic or rubber. Without the locking latch does it just hold the mic via friction? Seems like a big improvement over the old ones I have. Scott Fraser Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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