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When I got into playing music it was songs from Stax that I learned on from Booker T & MGs Green Onions, Sam & Dave, Otis Redding, Eddie Floyd, and on. After that came Motown and Atlantic Records for me.
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I'm an old Stones fan and I've heard off the board recordings of the Stones live and they are horrible. Especially Ron Wood just playing when his feels like it or can remember the licks.
Big shows were never my cup of tea even back in the days most were so rehearsed and staged even they were like meat puppets on stage. Now a days they even pump in audience sound into the PA to get the audience to be more responsive. I'd rather watch a DVD of a concert than go pay a fortune for tickets, park, view blocked by people holding their phones making videos they probably won't ever watch, and spend more bucks on swag to prove they were there, no thanks. That's why I've always prefered hearing bands in clubs they are more spontaneous and working off the audience energy.
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12 minutes ago, GovernorSilver said:
I remember Rufus from when they first got going I was still into recording and they were doing some tracking at the Village and everyone was talking about them. The big question was how do you pronounce her name. Chaka tells them it's like saying "shocker" real fast. <grin>. Then the artist I roadied for his album release party was at the Whiskey and other act on the bill having their 2nd album release party was Chaka Khan and Rufus what a great weekend. Then years and years later I'm working for that church I've mentioned before and guess who comes to our services now and then, yup Chaka Khan. The church was having one of it special events on a Friday night and Chaka said she would sing a couple songs. I'm on the media team and were doing sound checks in the late afternoon and Chaka shows up to run down the tunes with the church house band. She sits in the audience in the 2nd row and says I'm really tire I'll just sing from here. So I run out get a mic and run it out to her, she says I don't need a mic I'm fine. The band starts playing and Chaka leaning across a couple chairs and she is singing loud enough no mic was needed by anyone to hear her, so much power and Soul in her voice. She left after that and came back rested for the event and everyone went home smiling after hearing Chaka.
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As most of you know in my youth I was a roadie and sound man for bands including crewing on a Yes arena tour a big band at the time. This video is for arena tour now and amazing how things have changed in the digital age. I'm a little surprised no stage monitors at all just IEMs. I was expecting them to be using Studio One I hear a lot of big shows they playback engineers are using Ableton Live. I never heard of the band "Take That" but must be popular to take that big of a production on the road.
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I played Country for awhile yes I know it's a shock. But that was at the tail end of the Disco and even Country artist started pumping up the drums in the mix and drums thumping out four on the floor bass. I remember many Disco clubs were becoming Country line dance clubs, so if there's money to be made all genres of music will start doing there version of it. Like Beastie Boy, Vanilla Ice, Eminem, crossing over but then M.C. Hammer crossing over and even your grandma grabbing her cookies and singing "U Can't Touch This". Again anything that is successful and bring in the $$$$$ is going to get others to copy it to try and cash in.
As Frank Zappa and the Mothers third album put it......
We're Only in It for the Money
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1 hour ago, K K said:
So you rate these abilities as musically equivalent to playing a keyboard instrument like the piano ?
Why don't you ask pianist Herbie Hancock, Robert Glasper, Terrace Martin, Scott Storch, Mike Dean then Bob James, Amad Jamal, Roy Ayers, and all the Jazz greats whose records they sampled. All those Hip Hop artists who were sampling records were listening to all genres of music and picking great section to use to create new art with.
Also today in all genres of music the record studio itself is now an considered a instrument same as a piano or other instrument. The producers and engineer and how they use the studio as part of the creative process. When you really dive deep in how today's music is created it really expands what modern music. Look at Jacob Collier and songs with over 700 tracks for one song. There is way more going on today's in making music than since digital came to recording world.
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10 minutes ago, K K said:
Which brings another question... Does it take more musical talent to play rap or to be a DJ ?
Oh well... Maybe another time.
Sign up and let us know. Also there are different levels of DJ's besides the ones doing wedding and such.
Link to Berklee College of Music Dj class
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Since Sampling always comes up in talks about Hip Hop and Rap I thought I post this excellent video that gets into how a 60's song by Chuck Jackson ended up in a 1982 Michael McDonald song, that made into a 1992 song by Warren G. Video touches on some music history of the G-Funk sound of West Coast.
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Typical Apple detailed info like most their updates.
UPDATE: See analogika post further down they have posted details.
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1 hour ago, Leroy C said:
I'm a huge fan of blues. Once I started seeing the connections between blues and rap, it really opened my mind and I finally gave rap a serious listen. I won't say I've suddenly become a huge fan, but at least I know there's a lot more to it than I had realized.
and the connection between the rhythms the rappers are using are from Jazz and other music, they use ride cymbal or hi-hat patterns. Plus how the drum set they have changed up what drum/cymbal hit where within a beat. Come from the J Dilla and today Chris Dave patterns.
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2 hours ago, RABid said:
I always considered gangsta rap more a product of white and asian AR directors and marketing executives targeting young people with something rebellious. I mean, seriously, street rep and jail time as a measure of music talent? My first taste of rap was Big Daddy Kane on Chaka Kahn's I Feel For You. It started off cool, then suddenly, instrument solos in most every radio song was replaced by a rap break. After that, exec's decided that you had to be a criminal to do rap. Everything went down from there and it took a long time for the art to recover.
You look at the history of Rock and other Arts the Bad Boy image always sells. Then thing die down a bit and cycle starts again, but you gotta be harder for the new Bad Boy image. Especially in Rock rebellion drives the popular sounds that sells.
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1 hour ago, David Emm said:
Ron Cobb created several illustrations for the movie "Alien." FOX applied them without paying him, who sued them and won. His comment: "They love to grab an artist, suck out the marrow and throw away the husk. Mmm, yum, good artist, drain that one, get another." Gulp!
I think that describes any job in the corporate world, they view employee like kleenex to use up and toss out. They view any department that isn't a revenue generate as something we have to try and eliminate no matter how much they benefit the customer lived through that working in Tech Support and Quality Assurance. I only worked for one maybe two corporations that tried to treat people humanely Sun MicroSystems and Borland.
"For every action, there is an equal and opposite" I'd say the evil streaming services are the opposite reaction. From working in record store off and on for many years and in music biz for management companies I've watched all this. Early record biz the companies didn't work about piracy/stealing because vinyl couldn't be copied, so they took the same view as book publishers. Their attitude as later by a software company I worked for the Paperback Book license. Two people can't read a book at the same time, same with a vinyl record only one can play it. So you buy an album like it and lend to a friend, since you can't play it because they have it the record company was fine with that. Move ahead and cassette tape comes out and its easy to connect the cassette deck to your stereo and make copies of the vinyl and record companies are now getting ticked. So they make a stink and eventually government agrees to put an additional tax on cassette sales that goes to the record company to compensate them for lost royalties. Didn't matter that you bought cassette to record classes in school you still paid that tax because it was hidden in the price of the blank cassettes. People made cassettes for each other the beginning of stealing music, but record companies got some money from cassette sales they were content. For historical reference when CD's and recordable CD's came out the record companies started demanding a similar tax to cassettes. This time the blank CD companies started selling "Music CDs" that had the tax and Data CD's without the tax. Didn't take long for the public to figure out the CD's were identical except for the tax, and Music CD disappeared. Since early CD burners weren't that cheap record companies just lived with it.
Then the big change came in the form of the early internet which was all text based, but utilities came out to convert binary data to text files that could be shared. It was kind of a pain but it worked but internet wasn't that popular yet because it was all text based. Then early 90's and the WWW the web came out and now internet was easy for the average person to use. Also now there were tools to rip CD and video and people started sharing music, video, software, books you name it on the internet. So called good people decided steal some thing digital was okay and went crazy. This was people who in the real world wouldn't steal a pencil, but if something was digital they stole it and mass quantities. Then sites like Napster and others for exchanging music became huge and rampant stealing was going on. Record companies went nuclears and started raising prices higher and higher and the higher they went the more people stole music. So the birth of streaming services came along and pitched to record companies to lease their catalogs for a fee and pay the songwriters and artist next to nothing. Record companies were happy with that because they had a guaranteed income stream. Then the big bad owner of many record labels and publishing sees the values isn't the music and mechanical royalties the real money is owning the song publishing and you have UMG buying up publishing rights to everything they can get their hands on. So owner of so much of recorded music is no longer focus on the mechanical royalties they see the future money is in owning the copyrights. With AI and rise in DIY music we are in another big change in the record industry. All because of every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Bet you didn't think I get back to that. <grin>
Grab a beer and ponder that.
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27 minutes ago, CEB said:
Yes. My gut reaction would be to tell the guitar player to shut the f*** up and play guitar.Just tell the guitar player to stop playing Drop voicings. First you might have to explain drop voicings to them and wait for them to say.... I have to all the grips I learned are drop voicings.
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26 minutes ago, dazzjazz said:
Spotify are the enemy yet many professional musicians have accounts with them.
Because Spotify has made itself into the social media marketing point for people wanting to get their music out. I'd say most people putting music on Spotify know how badly they are getting screwed, but Spotify is the modern day equivalent of "do it for exposure".
FWIW I have never liked or used Spotify unless no other choice. An online school I was attending always did music lists on Spotify and a couple Patreons I follow do the same. So I will go on Spotify to see the list and use it to make my own Apple music list, then share the Apple list with others who don't use Spotify.
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Music isn't Content and why Ek thinks the way he does it all just money and profit margins to him.
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Any genre of music if you decide I don't want to like it you will find music and lyrics to point at as evil. So it say more about the people writing the article and those not wanting to understand the topic. Rap lyrics are no different than movie scripts some are loosely basic on something and others are just storytelling. Then there's Kendrick Lamar whose lyrics won him a Pulitzer Prize. Kendrick has also been part of school programs teaching kids how to write lyrics, that writing lyric, poetry, stories as part of self expression and dealing with getting emotions out instead of keeping them in and building up. Kendrick also had the kids read or rap their writing to the others to help them open up to others to discuss their issues. A whole lot of positive came out getting people of learning to express themselves to them self and others.
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A FB post by drummer Tom Brechtlein asking about tunes kids would drive teachers crazy with doing desktop drums. So I remembered the obvious one Wipe Out that everyone who thought they were a drummer would pound out on our desks. There was another tune I couldn't remember the name of at the time, but we really had teacher going nuclear with because everyone in class would pound and clap the beat, Surfer Stomp by the Marketts. There was even this twisty hand and arm move all the girls would do. Aw fun memories of Jr Hi School.
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I'm tired so (hopefully) a simple answer. I was a recording engineer back in the 70's analog days zero computers and autolocate on tape decks was a new thing when I was getting out. Back then recording was all about capturing what went down in the studio and getting it on tape so it could be later mixed and all the secret sauce of EQ, reverb, and a few other tricks applied.
Fast forward today and now the recording studio itself is an instrument be it someone at home, or big names in a commercial studio. The function of all roles have changed. What a songwriter, producer, tracking engineer, mixing engineer, mastering engineer, are all specialized roles unless your in a home studio. The one that threw me was the definition of a producer today which is really the songwriter, but songs are now assembled using multiple producers. I even heard songwriter talking about this and saying you have to as for a producer credit to be taken seriously. I was checking out a talk yesterday and now engineers are asking for points on project.
It's a different world and the studio is a instrument the same as a violin, or a conga drum. A simple song will have close to a hundred tracks. It's not the Beatle on two eight track recorders making Sgt Peppers.
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This is the best AI comment I've seen posted.
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Some big names in those bands Robben Ford, Carlos Vega, Rosemary Butler. Others looked familiar but I couldn't be sure if they were who I thought.
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Lauryn Hill is known for making ONE good album The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill, it is an excellent album, but is it greatest oh no way. Me, I would replace it with Stevie Wonder's Songs in the Key of Life, I think it is the best of Stevie's MANY great albums and definitely one of the greatest albums of all time.
Looking over the whole 100 albums on the list most the list is pretty good, but I think the order is really screwed up. Strange most of the list is one album per artist only a couple have more than one album listed.
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40 minutes ago, Thethirdapple said:
PEACE
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_dammit I said 12 string guitar!!!!
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It's a crap shoot and some people did all the "right" things and gone or hands wore out. Then people who just lived how they wanted and still around doing whatever they want. If anything I think stress is a big factor to mental and physical health.
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Oh well... Maybe another time.
STAX: Soulsville U.S.A.
in The Keyboard Corner
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I've been watching some of the reaction Youtubes and seems like once people today look back about 20-25 years everything past that starts blurring together. They never seem to look up actual years something was done a decade is as close enough.