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Just did the update on the VR09 at my local music store - they were kind enough to let me bring in my USB stick and sit there for 30 minutes playing other gear! Personally speaking, it's always nice to have a different set of electric pianos to play around with, and the new ones are nice too. The new Wurlitzer is a great improvement to my ears just playing it for about 5 minutes. It's a very "springy" type interpretation of the Wurli sound...if you like Supertramp, you should like this patch. Did not have time to fool around with the tone control or to try and layer it with the older Wurli sound... No new pianos, which I would really like to see, but overall a very nice improvement in the EP department.
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This update is really good news. The Pure Wurly looks promising - Wurli is my main issue with the VR as it is. I will have to wait to try it in person, but if it's good I don't think I'll be able to resist any longer. (VR has such bang for the budget conscious player)
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Here's the apology about the delay in the update: http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=7008d25c1e&id=f4b6c25896&e=9793abfce9
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Does this work? http://us5.campaign-archive2.com/?u=7008d25c1e&id=ebf246c68f&e=9793abfce9
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Regarding the new update - I got an email from Roland announcing it for today. I'm going to assume that all the VR owners have discovered the update by now.? I wish I could post the link for this message, but I don't have a computer right now as I am trying to recover from a flood in my basement! I'm reading this forum right now on my phone, and this small text and writing is making my eyes cross! Please let us all know if you are able to find out more about this update, and all the details...
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Big update announced for the VR09 for Aug 8/14! New EPs and more... Very interested to read what our experienced users think of this. I have been following the VR for quite a while now. Looking for something to push me over the edge...
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To Craig MacDonald: Am I understanding correctly that there are additional "sounds" available to the VR-09 that are not accessible unless you have an ipad? Trying this keyboard out, I have always felt I ran out of options and sounds a bit quickly. But if there is more under the hood, that is very interesting indeed...
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Thanks brenner13 - I did get a chance to go back tonight to try the faders out this evening, and for sure they worked on the Wurlitzer EP patch. Only a very little adjustment did a lot to the sound, and with a bit of compression, Tone, and Drive, I got a pretty happening Wurli sound! I tell you, I have been courting this keyboard for almost a year now, and all these little tricks are adding up to a very positive feeling... I did pick up a Korg Kross last month, and now would like to add a Hammond emulator to my gear. I have been using VB3 with some success, although I found it unbearably noisy last time I used it in a playing situation. I think something was up with my laptop screen that generated noise!
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I was playing a VR today at the music store, and it never occurred to me as to whether the ASD modify-bars could be applied to the pianos and Electric pianos? I found the Wurlitzer 60's EP model to decay a bit too long...could I use these bars to shorten the decay?
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Hey ToB3, I know it probably goes without saying, but when I have used the Ep's the most instant thing I can do to them is use the "Cutoff" drawbar to affect the tone. It is the farthest white drawbar to the right. I found it made the too-bright bell Rhodes timbre turn instantly into a darker and funkier vintage Rhodes tone. Actually I felt the EPs were kind of poor until I fooled around with this setting. Now I think they are great! Very under-rated keyboard for the money...
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I actually prefer a generic keyboard when using a synth with different types of keyboard models onboard. One of the less satisfying things about the Nord Electro (and the SK1 to some extent) is using Electric pianos, pianos, and synths on their keys...I prefer the feel of using a regular keyboard. Perhaps it the tension or action of the keyboard? Whereas, in contrast, on the Motif keyboards I find all the instruments tend to feel and play easily. Even on my MOX. I don't think I will have a problem with the VR-09 keyboard design unless it is really cheap, which I somehow doubt. I personally am not too bothered with waterfall keys or not...I mean, it's not like we are playing on the ends of the keys - we are playing on the top. Or am I missing something?
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Hi Craig, Don't worry about what others think. I am following this thread everyday, and I have really enjoyed what you have shown us through your soundclouds. I think you are providing a great service showing us the qualities of this keyboard before some of us can actually get our hands on it. Personally I would ignore any posts that seem to be drawing you into an arguement...really, one can buy the keyboard or one decides not to. It's as simple as that. I am very intrigued by the VR-09s price and what it has to offer. It's all about value for the money for me.
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Yes, you're probably right. Simple Organ sine waves should be easy to duplicate with most synth sections. Very nice work on your Clavinet performance, too. I am very interested to finally try one out when I see one.
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Nice Who rendition Craig! Does the VR-09 have an LFO you can assign? I think that's what is missing from your rendition...perhaps phasing would do in a pinch. I would be interested to hear if you could really perfect that song riff...well, it's all I can do as I still have not seen an actual VR-09. Now I am asking others to do my programming!
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Hi again Craig, The organ sounds excellent - nice playing too. There's something to be said about hearing the music without being the one actually playing it...you don't notice the way the keys feel, the effort going into making the music, and any environmental things like keys clicking or music coming from small speakers rather than a real leslie. I would have trouble figuring out if that were a real Hammond or not on your sound cloud. Sounds excellent. The EPs are, as you mentioned, not as nice as I would hope. I think I will try to tame the bell-attack sound by maybe lowering the highs or something? Although, when you add a bit of dirt in there they really start to warm up (to my ears) and have a bit of bark to them. Thanks for your effort in posting those clips.
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Thanks for the info, I am going to memorize those tweaks when I actually get to play a VR-09. Mind you, I am pretty familiar with getting around on a synthesizer so I don't think it will be a problem. I did own the VK-8M for about 2 or 3 years. That was the module I bought when I sold my A100. It did me very well for quite a while, and then I eventually sold it and bought a Yamaha MOX6. Again, a very nice keyboard, but I have never been happy with the organs in it. I have toyed with buying an after-market organ sound set, but I am waiting to see what the VR-09 sounds like. It is priced so reasonably, I think most people can understand the temptation to pick one up, even just for a tweak able organ.
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Hey again Craig MacDonald, You mentioned the tweaks (just above this post) that gave you a better sounding organ...were those all the tweaks that you did? I know I read a while back about what changes you made to "Bay Area B3", but I dread the thought of going back to find that post! Was it just those points? Compression, Tone, Upper and Lower gain? I was just at my local L+M, and they have a second-hand VR-700 for $900 and a VK-8 for $699. I hope they get the VR in soon, I don't know if I can hold out any longer with these deals popping in...
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I don't know if all the FX parameters are listed or not, but the owner's manual can be downloaded here: http://www.roland.com/support/article/?q=manuals&p=VR-09 This may help to answer any reader's questions.
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It seems like on the surface it would be easy for Roland to fix the C/V order...what the keyboard needs is to have the C/V applied to the fundamental organ tone, but before the percussion tone. We can understand that the Percussion tone is a separate sample, as it can be applied freely at any time. It sounds as if it would be as easy as changing the effect algorithm in an update. ...at least is seems easy to me...! Be interesting to see what happens.
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Thanks Dglavko and Craig MacDonald, I was aware a few of the keyboards had made it out in the Toronto area...just none near me. Nice score on the used SK1! If I saw one for that price I don't think I could resist. Craig, that is a more than generous offer. I don't think with work and family commitments I would be able to take you up on it, but it is very kind just the same. I think I am content right now to sit and wait for one to show up to give it a try. To be honest, key action is not that important to me as I can usually assimilate to any sort of style. I too grew up with a real Hammond, clavinet, and Rhodes so I can pretty much get used to anything. In fact, I had a Korg M50 for over two years and I grew quite fond of the action (something I am ashamed of mentioning on some forums...) Craig, I have made notes on the tweaks you mentioned. I will certainly try them out when I get a chance on the VR. Thank you all for the very friendly welcome.
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Hi all, I only became aware of this forum after looking on-line for information about this new VR-09. Reading through all these posts has given me a lot of information. Well done everyone! I am eager to hear one when it arrives at Long and McQuade...they said there should be stock anytime soon at the location nearest me (Burlington). I am also very eager to give the organ a listen to...initially I thought it might just be a "Hammond-like" sound that is featured in almost any synth, but was pleased to note such factors as leakage and key-click levels. It seems that Roland has paid more than a cursory nod to a Hammond player with those realistic points to edit. A very important point for me is the price of this keyboard. That is what makes this special. I think most of us can agree that there are better, or more realistic, Hammond clones out there. A thousand dollars is a lot of money for me, likely a purchase that will take me years to pay back. So stepping up even to the SK1 is out of the question, even though I love the sound of it. If I had 2 or 3 thousand dollars available to spend, I would consider going with a Hammond or Nord. The magic here is what it has to offer for the price - a keyboard that gives you all the basics plus that "Hammond feeling"...something with realistic C/V and leakage that breaths (and hopefully barks) like a real organ. I am hoping the VR-09 satisfies me on these points, I will write back with my impressions once I finally get to listen to one carefully. I also have VB3 and Native Instrument's Vintage Organs...they are fantastic in a lot of ways, but I have yet to feel comfortable using a computer in a playing-live situation. Loading samples and ASIO interfaces have so far taken away from the live playing experience for me. My goal is to be able to finance and perfect that situation one day. Until then, the VR-09 is very intriguing if just for the organ sound alone! It's the list price that is most important to me in this instance. I love the thought of realistic clones becoming cheaper and cheaper in a keyboard format.