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I gig with my Kronos 61, Kronos 73 and Hammond SKXPro all the time.
Fantom XR and ProSoloist Rack+ in the rack.It has to be done for the sake of authenticity of Genesis 🙂
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Every show. Very honoured people want to photo/video a tribute band. We don't even dress up like Genesis!
I too look very authentic - everyone comments that Tony Banks looked miserable all the time and so do i - its called concentration!-
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22 hours ago, Jim Alfredson said:
A completely useless comparison. He didn't even make an attempt to match recording levels between the two instruments, which is the bare minimum required for any honest comparison (since we tend to associate 'louder' with 'better'). He has reverb on the Mojo whereas the Hammond is bone dry, another psychoacoustic preference. He is also not using the overdrive circuit at all on the XK5 (you can see that it's off because the LED is not lit). Yet he has it almost up to halfway on the Mojo. I have the overdrive circuit engaged ALL the time because even with the dial all the way down it adds girth, thickness, and saturation to the sound. With it off, the XK5 sounds more like a vintage tonewheel direct off the preamp; lots of keyclick, lots of high-end, not much bass.
The tone of the XK5 varies wildly depending on the Leslie model used. And it's obvious that the level of the percussion is much hotter in the Mojo. You can of course adjust that in the XK5 very easily and it will saturate the modeled matching transformer just like a vintage tonewheel, especially with the overdrive on.
I'd put my XK5 up against the Mojo any day. I've barely tweaked mine; just a few adjustments to the percussion, matching transformer parameters, and the tube settings really. This video is a piss poor representation of it.
I'd put my SKX Pro up against the Mojo any day, no contest Jim
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SM10 here, used one for 10 years - the nice thing is the ability to input a mike as well as the keys in stereo and adjust headphone and output levels.
Great piece of kit
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On 3/4/2023 at 7:35 AM, pawelsz said:
I really like this. Nothing fast or that much technically challenging but the composition and mood is top notch.
P.S. Anyone agrees with me that we need Behringer ProSoloist synth?
You want fast and technically challenging????
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On 3/4/2023 at 12:14 PM, Tusker said:
I see it this way also. Two years after the Minimoog provided an affordable version of the Moog modular, the Soloist was released and later became the Pro-Soloist. Arp already had the semi-modular 2600 so now they had one product slightly more complex and one product slightly less complex than the Minimoog. By having only one oscillator, yet providing it with performance features, filter banks and presets, ARP created quite a lot from very little in the Soloist/Pro-Soloist. The features are congregated towards those of a melodic solo voice, so it's a perfect fit for a keyboardist who plays amazingly melodic solos. I am not trying to diss the Pro-Soloist at all. It's just that TB was looking for something simple which would allow him to speak ...
TB took this melodically oriented little synth and brilliantly made the most of it's features and his pedal collection. True it's really hard to cover TB with any other analog synth, so if Behringer made one, it would be a no-brainer to Genesis fans like us. After all, Joachim Verghese is no longer making his Pro Soloist+ Rack. Agreeing with your point, I can't see such a synth being useful to anyone who is not doing Genesis tributes, unless they paired it with a multi-effect like the H9, in which case it could be a lot of fun due to it's performance features. I am not certain, but I think TB had a space-echo and spring reverb on the Pro Soloist on the 77-78 tour.
Alan (Losendoskeys) is gigging with Joachim's synth and has seen this thread. Fellow forumite Ian Benhamou is currently recreating the Lamb on tour and probably hasn't. Both of them have had to work out the complicated choreography of the Pro-Soloist and pedals. They would know a lot more about this than I would.
You're absolutely right.
I suppose a Chick Corea or Camel tribute would be the others to be interested but its a tiny market!
The great thing about the Verghese ProS Rack + is that those effects are built in because he is a massive Genesis fan.
My fingers are permanently crossed that mine doesn't die on me.I really wouldn't want to gig a ProS - Tony had SEVEN in The Farm because there were always one or two in for repair!
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On 3/5/2023 at 9:17 AM, EricBarker said:
If I’m remembering correctly, Selling England, Lamb, and Trick were the only albums he used the Soloist on. In fact, didn’t he branch out to other synths on Trick, and then retired it for Wind & Wuthering? Or maybe one album more. But I do know the soloist was gone by Then There Were Three.
we think of him as a “Pro Soloist Keyboardist”, but it was only about 4 years of his career! He didn’t even have any synths on Foxtrot.
I remember seeing the ProS for the first time when Genesis toured Selling England.
The first synth I'd seen on top of a Hammond since Emersons Moog Model D.
He then used it on Lamb Lies Down, Trick, Wind and Wuthering and Seconds Out.
The ProS and ARP2600 were used on Trick and Wind.
The ARP2600 was certainly used on Trick but for Entangled live he used ProS "Song Whistle" for the synth outro.
For ATTWT he introduced the Quadra.
Having had both the Pro S and Quadra there are no real crossovers - you can't get an accurage reproduction of ProS sounds on the Quadra, it always sounds "fatter".
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13 hours ago, stillearning said:
There were certain songs I never wanted the stress of, and R, A & B was one of them! I was more comfortable with Cinema Show, Supper’s Ready, Return of the Giant Hogweed, Watcher of the Skies, Dance on a Volcano/Los Endos, etc. Songs I felt were more in my comfort zone. Plus we focused more on earlier Genesis. Just not as much audience for it anymore. Pity, it was fun!
We play the Gabriel/Hackett era as I genuinely lost interest after And Then There Were Three. Interestingly one of the first songs we played was Battle of Epping Forest - a bit of a Marmite song - but it sounds so complex yet plays so easily when it's in your genes!
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28 minutes ago, stillearning said:
That’s one of my all time favorites also, along with Stagnation and The Knife. I feel lucky to have seen every tour they did with Gabriel. And a couple post Gabriel. Not the same band w/o Gabriel for me, and not just vocally. More the abstract, story telling aspect of the songs.
I’ve played in a couple Genesis tribute acts, and a few ‘Genesis heavy’ bands, and anyone who pulls off the solo in Robbery Assault and Battery perfectly live has my respect.
10 years ago, two vocalist and a couple of fluffs but its not too bad an attempt!
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Late to the party it seems, so echoing all that has been said above.
He isn't really about Emerson or Wakeman flashy solos but having said that, as a tribute band player there are a few that are quite a handful!
I still work hard at "In The Cage" and "Down and Out" is another tricky one.
Then there is the string of keyboard changes in the "Robbery, Assaul and Battery" solo section!
He was really about structure and no-one anywhere can structure chords and melodies in the same way - full stop.
Just beautiful. He even squeezed texture out of his Hammonds without ever hitting "Fast" on the Leslies!
Having learned most of Genesis' material (by ear) over the last 20 years, I still marvel at the way he would put chords together.
Seven Stones is a big favourite and for a proper Mellotron solo you need go no further.
The most complete track for me is "Can - Utility and The Coastliners" - it's got everything.
I still get hairs standing up on my neck when I play these tracks - and I play them every week!
Also worth mentioning "The Lamia" which has gorgeous piano intro and sweeping Mellotron.
I'm amused at some of the comments about later tracks like Abacab, as they are pretty simple efforts not in the same league as the early albums.
Having seen the Foxtrot tour in the 70's I'm firmly embedded in the prog era but I do appreciate his ability to structure the more commercial albums.
The intro to Firth of Fifth has to be mentioned if only that it still occasionally can trip me up - he dropped it because of the limitations of the pianos at the time and it was a good move!
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Nothing wrong at all with the SKX - SKX Pro has the edge but it's all the law of diminishing returns
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Greg Lakes autobiography.
Oh, what a lucky man he was 😁
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Greetings!
Has anyone any experience of CME WIDI?
Does it work in a live stage environment?
R
Alan
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My problem is fixed - it was a broken wire in the Leslie multiway connector.👌
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On 12/14/2022 at 4:57 PM, Outkaster said:
Well how did you attach it as I have contacted Sweetwater and a few people are bitching to Hammond about this.
Sounds like you are not talking about the SKX Pro
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On 12/12/2022 at 3:27 PM, jerrythek said:
I just saw Steve Hackett doing the last Seconds Out tour date here in the US. I’ve resurrected this thread to keep the discussions intact, but I’m not posting a “rebuttal”. Just my show experience.
Patchogue Theatre Long Island NY. 13th row. I’ve never seen a Hackett solo show, but I’ve listen to some recordings and watched YouTube videos, so I had pretty clear expectations. The sound was stellar: I couldn’t ask for a better mix. It seems the rare concert these days that the keys can be heard clearly and upfront all night! In fact my only mix critique would be that for some of the high points in the music the singer got a little drowned out.
There are certainly some times that I felt things were thrown to the woodwind player just to justify him, but on one tune (I can’t remember which now) he took a very strong modern jazz vocabulary tenor sax solo (post-Brecker) that I really dug. I’m not a prog purist, and I’m certainly a jazzer so it struck the right notes for me. The keyboard player was excellent, and the drummer (Nick D’Virgilio) brought the energy and passion that the rest of the more stoic band lacked. But the sedate stage presence didn’t bother me, as the music was performed wonderfully.
Seconds Out was the perfect bill, encompassing so much of the Genesis catalog that I love. For me this was a great concert - one of the best I've seen in recent years. Here’s a few clips:
Jerry
Fine musicians - no problem with sound quality but being a purist in a Genesis tribute band I don't like the woodwind instead of Pro Soloist nor the use of non-authentic keyboard sounds, but thats his prerogative.
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15 hours ago, rgcm said:
I don't know about the SKX Pro and its menu structure, but the CU! switch works as expected on the SK1. Down in the menus you need to ensure that "Foot Swich - Device (G)" is set to "CU-1" rather than "Foot SW".
As I said, I had the SK2 and SKX before the SKX Pro and they worked fine with the CU1.
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19 hours ago, Outkaster said:
You can't attach the CU1 pedal as the edge of the keyboard is beveled.
Not true
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On 12/8/2022 at 5:28 PM, Outkaster said:
Just an observation. I have both as well and I never use the vent as the internal sim is really pretty well done. I don't think you gain that much with the vent. It's just my opimion but it might be easier than setting up the pedal. I know it doesn't answer your question but it might help.
I don't find the internal sim as "warm".
Interestingly AFAIR you had to disconnect the direct jack out connections for the Leslie output to work on the VASE based SK/X
When I disconnected the jack out on the SKX Pro I got STOP and FAST with the switch but not SLOW which is the one setting I usually use!!!
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I recently upgraded from SKX to SKX Pro - now my Vent does not respond to the CU1 switch.
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On 9/14/2022 at 2:37 PM, KRK said:
To anyone who has a Hammond SKX PRO and would like to do the update.
Please still wait with the update... we are investigating something.
We will let you know when it's okay and save.
The Hammond Europe Team
(from a FB group)
Which version?
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18 hours ago, Jim Alfredson said:
The high drawbars and playing higher up the keyboard is where the differences really lie. The upper end of the MTW engine is far better than the old VASE III engine in the previous SK line-up. Also the virtual contacts helps with rhythmic playing in terms of authenticity.
Yes indeed - it is certainly very full with regards the factory patches (which I don't use).
Largely sonically my setup is actually trying to achieve the L100/T100 feel rather than the B3 sounds.
I will explore the monosynth in the fullness of time and also I'm intrigued how good the library of internal samples is now, as I may substitute them for my Fantom XR sounds at some point. At least they could be a useful backup.Worth saying that the introduction of "patches" and "combinations" is defintely a major improvement over the previous patch structure
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I got my SKX Pro a couple of weeks ago and set about setting it up identically (as possible) to my SKX - sitting side by side.
There are different parameters such as tonewheek descriptions which throw you out, but mostly it's possible to get them matching.
I mostly prefer the layout of the SKX Pro, though as usual the display would be better at the FRONT of the panel for those of us who have a top keyboard!!
I do like the reintroduction of pitch bend and mod wheels as was on the XK3 - about time!
Observations - I don't think the SKX Pro is much better than the SKX, though it seems to be able to have more volume without distorting.
I don't think the Leslie emulation is better than a Vent, so that stays.I have no use for the internal sounds but I will explore them in due course in case my outboard MIDI Roland fantom XR Rack fails.
An expensive upgrade but worth it for the better layout.
Greatest Rock Keyboardist of our generation?
in The Keyboard Corner
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BIzarre - haven't heard of most of this lot ^^^^^
Is this US only?😁
Keith Emerson from a performance point of view, Rick Wakeman a close second.
Tony Banks from a composition point of view
Absolutely no competition IMHO - sorry no Yanks included 🤣