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    Anthony Marinelli channel

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    4 hours ago, Thethirdapple said:

    Why aren’t there any foot faders as a control surface?

    A USB expression pedal would be a simple starting point for this project, combined with @konaboy Woody's idea. The "gap" is the software that maps it to the on-screen UI element. (If it could emulate a high-resolution mouse wheel, that would be a meaningful start). 

     

    Then we can all start complaining about the "action/feel" of the one pedal.

     

    Cheers, Mike

    How do you play outside?

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    2 hours ago, Baldwin Funster said:

    So here is a weird thing. Do you ever play stuff that used to sound outside but just doesn't anymore?

    It makes me wonder what it sounds like to a listener and if they get normalized to outside sounds too.

    I still remember, as a child, playing C-E-G-B and thinking how discordant it sounds. Now a Maj7 is an essential part of much of my output.

     

    Other examples include microtones/non-equal temperament, odd time signatures, and the aspect of rhythm being off-"true" (swing, Brazilian, Balkan, Viennese Waltz) - is there a good name for that last one?

     

    Cheers, Mike.

    Numa Compact 2X through a Leslie

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    20 hours ago, Dave Number Four said:

    maybe I have my answer based on this video

    I expect lots of clones to sound great through a real Leslie. I bet the Yamaha CK61 would be awesome. 

     

    The challenge is if you need a "clone-plus", doing organ duties and other things. I believe the Numa and the CK61 both suffer from not being able to pan individual instruments L/R.

     

    Regards, Mike.

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    I'm not a classical pianist

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    15 hours ago, MathOfInsects said:

    I'm not sure if it's only an American term, but we call it, in the aggregate, European Art Music, or EAM.

    Never heard of that over on this side of the pond. I have heard "Western Art Music" or "Concert Hall Music" as (attempted) terms to describe the wider (four hundred years, not 70 years) corpus/tradition of this art form.

     

    Cheers, Mike.

    Where does Hammond oil go?

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    21 minutes ago, Outkaster said:

    I didn't see where this thread got out of hand

    Nor me. Good-natured differences of opinion, based on legitimate experience, do not equal trolling. I feel Grey had made up his mind to check out before he started this thread. 

     

    Cheers, Mike.

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    When the forum algorithm censors you......

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    1 hour ago, CyberGene said:

    The only edible food in the UK is the imported cuisine: curry, kebab, Chinese, French, Italian, Fish and Chips (Spanish jews introduced it there). The local stuff is something I only imagine being forced to eat when tortured

    Incorrect. A good roast for Sunday lunch is the stuff of the gods. 

     

    Although arguably everything is imported if you go back far enough. 

     

    Cheers, Mike.

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    A.I. "Jazz"

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    I can see AI Jazz (at least a generative pre-trained form of it, incorporating some of the convolution-like feature detection I mentioned earlier) being able to achieve in the future what ChatGPT and the like can do today with natural language. It will be derivative, not innovative, but it will be passable.

     

    We are not there today.

     

    Cheers, Mike.

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    Numa Compact 2X through a Leslie

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    It's been said before that making a digital recreation of tonewheels is a solved problem. A digital recreation of a Leslie is where the competition is today. (That old Casio XW-P1 or whatever it was called sounded pretty legit through a Vent).

     

    Cheers, Mike.

    A.I. "Jazz"

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    18 minutes ago, CyberGene said:

    I hope this doesn’t get interpreted as disrespectful but IMO jazz is the easiest task for a proper generative model. Jazz is so formalized with all possible devices of improvisation, (re)harmonization, voicing and rhythm structures described and taught to death in any possible online or academia courses, that it’s actually a wonder to me why it hasn’t been done earlier. 

    I see a gulf between "traditional musicians" and AI specialists working on AI music. It seems to me that the AI types haven't got their head round what makes music what it is. I'll give a simple example: Avid (for some reason) introduced AI chord recognition in a recent version of Sibelius. It looks 60 bars back for context. Why 60? (64 would make more sense). 

     

    What's needed to achieve what CyberGene suggested is appropriate convolution/feature engineering that's aligned to musical (say Jazz) features: phrases, 2-5-1, tritone subs, bracketing/enclosures, voicings, choice of extensions, repetition a semitone away etc. An AI should be able to learn that a dominant chord built on a degree other than V often has a #11 - but it has to be presented with data in that form, that makes those features visible. 

     

    Next step after that is for the AI to learn these features itself (deep learning), given just the raw data in say MIDI format. This would be equivalent (in a very abstract way) to some of the convolutional "pre-processing" that's used in front of neural networks. 

     

    The recent example on AI "Jazz" had none of this "feature awareness". I would bet three digits of currency that the AI was trained on 100msec snippets of audio, and it's just shuffling those around, like a LLM (ScatGPT?)

     

    Cheers, Mike.

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    Your Longest Musical Relationship

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    Coming up 30 years with the guitarist/singer and bassist from my current band. Consistently working together.

     

    And close to 22 years (20 of those married) with the cute cellist my musical-theatre friend introduced me to after a difficult breakup.

     

    Cheers, Mike.

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    Dig My Rig--Let's see your setup!

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    6 hours ago, Brad Kaenel said:

    Yessir, it certainly is

    I remember we got a sample at work in about 1995. It went round every desk in the department, staying for a couple of days until its user gave up - until it arrived on mine. I held on to it - offered to give it back when I moved on and they said "keep it". Took it with me to my next job, and it's somewhere in my cellar at the moment, minus a Z keycap. (I've used various ergonomic successors over the years...)

     

    Cheers, Mike.

    A.I. "Jazz"

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    1 hour ago, ElmerJFudd said:

    chopping up audio and piecing it back together in a different order

    That's exactly what it's doing, and it demonstrates a complete lack of appreciation of "what is music" - not only on the part of the AI itself (which cannot demonstrate appreciation for anything - it's just "predicting the next sample" 44100 times per second), but also on the part of the creators, who think that a LAM (Large Audio Model?) is the right tool. 

     

    Cheers, Mike.

    Dig My Rig--Let's see your setup!

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    4 hours ago, Brad Kaenel said:

    Rather than buy a whole new composer desk setup, I found a local craftsman (David Laake AudioWorks) who built a second tier for me, and a keyboard tray, for my existing corner-desk. After 40 years, I can finally just have everything ready to use, whenever the need strikes!

    Work of art. Is that a remarkably pristine 1st-gen Microsoft Natural Keyboard? (c. 1995 iirc)

     

    Cheers, Mike.

    Gershwin Shredding in 1931

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    Stunning performance, but I might argue that Gershwin's unique legacy is more evident in his compositions than his (wonderful) playing. As well as this, there's: Summertime, Embraceable You, Lady Be Good, Fascinating Rhythm, Someone to Watch Over Me, They Can't Take That Away From Me, The Man I Love... and an opera or two.

     

    Cheers, Mike.

    A.I. "Jazz"

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    3 hours ago, Stefan011 said:

    Swedish pseudo jazz easy listening

    How can Spotify tell Swedish pseudo jazz easy listening from other types of pseudo jazz easy listening?

    2 hours ago, tapes said:

    don't knock them Swedes - a lot of great jazz came from there, and the Nordics/Scandinavia

    Definitely. NHØP (albeit Danish) springs to mind.

     

    Cheers, Mike.

     

     

    Small mixer recommendation for live keys and vocals

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    What are your maximum dimensions? Thomann's mixer section has a nice set of filters, including total channels/mic channels/XLR out. I put 3 mic/6 total/outputs on XLR/built-in FX and got this result (assuming the link pastes successfully): https://www.thomann.de/gb/analog_mixers.html?feature-57963-first=6&feature-57963-last=8&oa=pra&feature-57964-first=3&feature-57964-last=8&feature-57969[]=XLR&feature-57984-first=1&feature-57984-last=2&gk=PAMIAM&category[]=PAMIAM&cme=true&filter=true

     

    Good luck.

     

    Cheers, Mike.

    A.I. "Jazz"

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    4 hours ago, elsongs said:

    It's definitely sound, but it's not music.

    This. It sounds like it was (very intensively) trained on "sound" not "music". (You can hear that it decides to add the decay-tail of one piano chord a few milliseconds after the initial portion of another - because nothing is telling the AI "this is a note being played NOW")

     

    There is a field of natural language research that focuses on "attention" (which words in a prompt relate to other words). This is used in GPT solutions as a pre-processor before the generative part. Something similar is lacking in music AI (at least all the music AI I've heard) - there's no concept of short/medium/long-term progression: call/response phrases,  tension/release, verse/chorus (or movement, whatever) structure, etc. And without it, AI music just sounds meandering and aimless.

     

    Cheers, Mike.

     

     

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