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+1 ... The site is usually pretty snappy for me, but it has slowed or frozen several times over the past few days.
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... I can imagine the GM sounds aren´t very high quality. Are they user-assignable to upper or lower manual?
Yes, the GM sounds can be assigned to upper and lower manuals, and pedals.
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Are the GM sounds usable at all ?
WHEN the FX insert loop ( I guess it´s mono) is installed,- is that working "only" pre-rotary sim (int. or MiniVent2) or is it also working w/ the organ´s "direct out" w/ a tube amp already connected?
Is it possible to switch alternately between "Leslie" and "non Leslie" amplification on the fly, but using same FX (p.ex. wah, phasor, ringmod) inserted in the FX loop?
The MAG is primarily an organ, not an all-in-one keyboard. The basic GM sounds are labelled as "extra sounds" and are usable but are not on the same level as the organ. For piano and other sounds, I use a separate keyboard..
On mine, the effects loop is before the Mini Vent and remains active whether the Mini Vent is switched in or out, but the "Organ direct" output is not affected by the effects loop. However, as the brand name suggests ("MAG Custom Organs"), if you want a special configuration, you can ask max@magorgans.com, and he will let you know if it can be done.
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1.) Does MAG already use the latest HX3 engine w/ "CaM Rotor" rotary speaker sim (making MiniVent2 obsolete)
2.) What´s the standard finish and color of MAG P-2 side panels ?
The HX3 engine in the MAG organs has the latest hardware (now HX3.5), and the firmware can be customized and updated using a PC with the free editor software.
The side panels are available in "MAG light blue", real maple or walnut, or other colours and finishes as an option.
I just noticed from the user manual that the MAGs come with extra sounds too, like the SK series?The HX3 engine in the MAG organs includes a set of basic GM sounds, which can be stored/recalled via the preset buttons.
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I used to have a Hammond B3 and Leslie 122, then a Hammond XK3c and XK1c, then a Viscount Legend Solo. I now have a MAG C2 (with options including walnut side panels, light keyboard springs, and inbuilt Mini Vent). The MAG is hands down the best clonewheel I have played. The HX3 engine sounds very authentic and is very customizable, and Max's build quality and personal service are exemplary.
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Here's another video of the studio version if you can't access the first one above.
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Another question for you chart gurus with sharp ears.
I'm getting the basic chords in the head of this tune something like this:
||: Dm7 G7 | Dm7 Abdim7 | Gm7 C7 | Fmaj7 F6 |
Em7 A7 | Dm7 Abdim7 | Gm7 C7 | Fmaj7 F6 |
Gm7 C7#5 | Fmaj7 Dm7 | Bm7 E7#5 | Am7 |
Gm7 C7#5 | Fmaj7 Dm7 |1. Gb7/E A7sus :||
2. Gb7/E | A7sus A7 | Dm7b5 | G7sus G7 |
Cm7b5 | F7sus | % | % ||
What are you guys hearing where I've put Gb7/E at the start of the turnaround in bars 15 and 17 (0:42, 1:12, 3:21 in the studio version, 1:02, 1:34, 3:22 in the live trio version)? I originally had it as Em7b5, to parallel the Dm7b5 and Cm7b5 in the descending sequence that follows the 2nd time, but it sounds slightly altered; it's hard to tell exactly what notes his right hand is playing in the live version ... looks/sounds something like C# E F# A#, so E13#11 (or Gb7/E for easier reading)?
Also, what key signature would you use: F or C?
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Here's what I ended up with.
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Yes, the core of the riff is the pattern with the syncopated and alternating thirds, which I've jotted down like this as a guide, but which Herbie varies throughout. (I imagine Don Sebesky didn't need to spell out much detail for Herbie Hancock and Ron Carter to make something tasty happen!)
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Nice, thanks!
I think I'm hearing the chord on the last beat of bar 7 as Bbm7:
Fm7 Cm9 | % | % |
Abmaj7 | C7sus4 /G | Am7 D7 |
Dbmaj7 Cm7 Bbm7 | Ebmaj7 Abmaj7 | Ebmaj7 Am7b5 |
Dbmaj7 Cm7 | Fm7 Cm9 | % | % |
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Another question for you chart gurus with sharp ears.
I'm getting the basic chords in the head of this 5/4 arrangement of Scarborough Fair something like this (0:39-1:02 and 3:22-3:45):
Fm7 | % | % | Ab | C7sus4 | Dm7sus4 |
Ab | Eb | % | Db | Fm7 | % | % |
What finer details are you guys hearing?
(BTW, that's Herbie Hancock on Rhodes and Ron Carter on bass, somewhat tricky to follow!)
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I've seen several versions of the "Allman Brothers changes" for Stormy Monday (following Bobby "Blue" Bland's version), a 12-bar blues variation, which I'm hearing basically like this, but how would you guys with sharper ears label the V chord tweak in bars 9-10 (often written as Am7/D | Cm7/Eb)?
G9 | C9 | G9 Ab9 | G9
C9 | C9 | G7 Am7 | Bm7 Bbm7
D11 | Eb13 | G9 C9 | G9 D7#5
(Gregg Allman does a tasteful Hammond solo at 5:12 in this classic performance.)
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This documentary (in Dutch) about Shocking Blue presents a breakdown of Venus, including a segment on the keyboard part (5:05-7:00) with a demonstration by the original session player Cees Schrama himself (from 5:36).
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Can you get a MAG in the US? Shipped direct from Czech Republic, or they have a dealer in the US? What would a C-1 set us back?
The MAG website has a link "Are MAG organs available in the US?", which goes to Max's email address (max@magorgans.com).
The site lists non-EU pricing as:
- P2 (dual-manual flagship): EUR 2,967
- C2 (dual-manual compact): EUR 2,385
- C1 (single-manual compact): EUR 1,980
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I bought [my MAG organ] direct from MAG. It took 10 days by FedEx from MAG in Prague, Czechia to me in Adelaide, Australia (a few days longer than usual because of COVID delays at the time), and the personal service from Max Ghirardi at MAG is exemplary.
Paul, did you get the programmer option? MAG website refers to it, but I can"t find pictures or the price.
My MAG organ sounded great out of the box; however, the HX3 engine has many customizable parameters, and I did spend some time tweaking them to my taste, but I didn't get the plug-in programmer unit, I just plugged in my computer and used the free HX3 editor software.
For info and pricing, contact Max at MAG (max@magorgans.com).
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Where it sits pricewise will depend on what part of the world you are in, but for my money, the MAG C1 (single-manual) or C2 (dual-manual), with the HX3 engine and available with inbuilt Mini Vent as an option, is the frontrunner [among current clonewheels].
Ah, I didn't know there was a single manual MAG (and I was assuming the OP wanted single manual). Another interesting possibility, but I'm not sure what availability is like for the U.S..
I bought mine direct from MAG. It took 10 days by FedEx from MAG in Prague, Czechia to me in Adelaide, Australia (a few days longer than usual because of COVID delays at the time), and the personal service from Max Ghirardi at MAG is exemplary.
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Have you got a melody lead sheet now? I would like a copy.
Here's a draft that works for me.
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This isn't what they played, but I'd probably go ...
I put 11th chords in the Dm9, Bm9, G11, A11 vamp, but I see some debate over writing G11 or G9sus4 or F/G; is it just about what's easier to read versus what's technically accurate in each context, or are there other considerations?
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... If you like that sound though, A11b13 (or A11#5) looks fine.
As jarrell already pointed out, most people automatically think augmented when they see "+". In dominant chords, #5 is usually called out explicitly, except in "alt", which could mean several things, but usually played as #5#9 in Pop Jazz as heard in Part 1 of your example.
The +7 symbol does seem to be in use (e.g., "A Complete Guide to Chord Symbols" lists "Augmented seventh = aug7, +7, 7#5"), but I agree 7#5 is clear, and I'll stick with that. -
The top usual suspect dedicated single-manual clonewheels would be (in order of increasing price) Numa Organ 2, Crumar Mojo 61, Viscount Legend Solo, and Hammond XK-5. But I'm eager to play the new Hammond SK Pro, which even if you don't care about its other sounds, is sonically similar to (but cheaper and lighter than) the XK-5, and has an updated Leslie sim.
Where it sits pricewise will depend on what part of the world you are in, but for my money, the MAG C1 (single-manual) or C2 (dual-manual), with the HX3 engine and available with inbuilt Mini Vent as an option, is the frontrunner. I used to have a Hammond X3c and XK1c, and a Viscount Legend Solo; I now have a MAG C2.
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Thanks!
Part.2) A7#5#9: A11
For that extended A chord at the end of the B section (1:28 - 1:30), I'm hearing (imagining?) an F natural (i.e., the #5) in there somewhere, so if I kept that in, would you find it easier to read as A11+, A11b13, or just A7+ with a D in the melody (i.e., [A] or or [C] in the attached image)?
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A question for you chart gurus with sharp ears.
- In this piece, which is in Dm, the A section starts with a two-chord vamp (Eb6/9 and Dm9 repeated six times). How would you write the six chords in the turnaround at the end of this section (0:42 - 0:52), which I'm hearing as Dm9, Bm11, F13, E7#5#9, Bb7#11, A7+ ?
- The B section follows with a similar two-chord vamp (Eb6/9 and Dm9 repeated three times, then up a step to F6/9 and Em9 repeated three times). How would you write the three chords in the turnaround at the end of this section (1:26 - 1:30), which I'm hearing as Em9, Bb13, A7#5#9 ?
- The C section follows with a four-chord vamp (1:31 - 1:35), which I'm hearing as Dm9, Bm9, G11, A11, repeated three times before a turnaround, Dm9, G11, A11, A7+ .
As in other recent threads like this, I'm aiming for a lead sheet with chord symbols as simple and easy to read as possible for suggesting the voicings without writing them out.
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Here's a video comparing seven overdrive units on a Hammond C3 organ, including several mentioned in this thread.
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"As you can hear from the video, the only ones reacting as a vintage Leslie saturation are the Speakeasy, the Organ Drive and the Tall & Fat." [Excerpt from one of the comments by Marco, who made the video]
Playing with guitarists and the theory disconnect....
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