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Hi Mike,
Thanks-with apologies to OP for hijacking his thread!
3 hours ago, stoken6 said:- Which keyboard's sound engine do you want for the organ sound?
- Which keyboard's keys do you want to play for this sound?
- Yes or no: you want one continuous-type pedal to control organ swell? Do you want this same pedal to control anything else?
- Yes or no: you want one switch-type pedal to control sustain on both boards simultaneously? Do you want this same pedal to also toggle rotary speed?
So for show gigs- YC is primarily "piano plus" with light organ layering and some orchestral stuff (harp, marimba, celeste etc.)
Either Nord does heavy lifting of strings, brass, synth, & organ- and never any piano stuff.
1 & 2: I actually just want them both independent and self contained. I.e. using the Yamaha's organ on its keyboard, and Nord on its own- For these gigs, often do a sort of a qausi double manual gospel thing, where the Yamaha is just layering its own understated muted (0034400 type )organ under piano, and Nord usually does the main (RH) organ stuff. Be nice to have leslies in sync, but not really critical. Main desire is just to leave one pedal home. I have a handful of tunes in some shows that need long string holds and that's what I use Nord's sustain for. Traditional sustain pedal for the YC reminds my brain it's only for piano .:)
3 & 4 Actually never tried using one CP for both organs, that's a great idea! - On Nord Stage: Currently two pedals: Swell for organ, and another for string/brass/synth control and that works great. When I use Electro- I just use the CP controlling both organ and other stuff. The Yamaha has dedicated organ swell pedal.
Embarrassed by my low rent solution: Often use two Necktar slim pedals for organ swell that I sometimes rubber band together and control wtih one foot.
4 hours ago, stoken6 said:route Bandhelper into my Stage on the USB port,
Tell us more please! I've got a bucket of little USB to midi things and old Midi Solutions boxes.
Thanks so much
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12 minutes ago, voxpops said:
I attach a "Y" splitter to the end of the pedal cable and run from that into the rotary control inputs on both instruments.
That's the first thing I tried, but didn't work with my rig. But hadn't tried powering them both up at same time. Will have to see if that does it, or maybe try another splitter. I just realized I'm also stuck because I use the Midi-ins to receive BT from Forscore for program changes.
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20 hours ago, Steve Beach said:
When using my Nord Stage 2 on the bottom tier, and my Electro 6D on the top tier, I like to use one set of foot controlled switches for expression (cc#11) sustain (#64) and rotary speed (#82) to control whatever keyboard my hands happen to be playing.
So how were you doing this? Through Midi out of the Stage to the in of the Electro, and filtering out note info?
I use a Nord Stage or Electro 6 up top but with a YC 73 on the bottom. I need to keep my playing parts separated, but would love to use just one pedal for the Nord's sustain/leslie and Yamaha's leslie speed. The YC unfortunately doesn't do the combined sustain-leslie thing, so need sustain, plus a FS.
Question for Mike: I'm wondering if your Stage external trick could be used? But that rules out the Electro. I'd have to look up what CC # the YC uses for leslie speed, or if I would have to remap/filter with that same midi solutions box I also have.
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I've bought a few packages from Humble. No issues other than it's usually a chore to download all the stuff individually. I also kind of question the MSRP. But if you're looking to get into some software, not a bad deal at all. You may also want to check out the Bedroom producer's blog- has links to some nice free stuff. And Cherry Audio also has some stuff that ends up in Humble. Great advice above about Ram & SSDs.
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Thanks all!! Great ideas.
I think I'll incorporate a combination of velcro and tubing when I have time, and the skirt when there isn't. When we don't do the upright shell, my church gig does the skirt thing- always joke that I can then play without pants. 😀. The Motown show I do usually rents a Grand shell and that hides a multitude of sins.
I've been doing more shows with just hardware, but for upcoming travel I may have to go to a full Mainstage rig. Done it before, but means still having to bring a bunch of pedals and Midi adaptors for backline roulette. I miss the days of standing and my old Apex stand., but they always look weird in seated position.
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Seeking amnesty and advice. My rig is ugly. Just saw some pics from past week shows. Have a couple of different setups I go out with. No roadies.
The usual time crunch between day of gig group travel, limited setup time, then soundcheck/rehearsal. Followed by tiny window to eat/shower back at hotel or tidying up my rig before showtime. You can see which I often choose. What are folks doing these days? Reusable cable or Velcro ties and plastic tubing? Custom snakes? Many thanks in advance!
Below: Sunday's gig in Greensboro SC wtih the Drifters, Coasters & post gig tear down. Stereo rig: Usually two keyboards, 3 Ctrl pedals, 1 sustain, 2 footswitches, Bluetooth page turner, 2 Ipads, IEM mixer. K&M Stand, Bluetooth Midi Router. AC, Audio & USB cables. Occasional Mainstage/Laptop.
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Never knew he was the one who played piano on Cat Stevens/Yusuf's great track. Always assumed it was Stevens who played it . Fun to see it dissected and further testament to what an innovative player RW is. Pulling out my vinyl, I've also rediscovered his great stuff with the Strawbs.
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2 hours ago, Brad Kaenel said:
, Dorico needs to be great at importing Finale docs in order to get new customers to migrate.
27 year weekly user of Finale. I wish they had at least decided to make it open source and the let the web fix it like Bandlab-Cakewalk. My Church gig will probably pay the crossgrade, but I'll have to pony up for my personal copy. Might consider Dorico Elements as it seems to cover mostly everything.
I've had varying success with XML import export between Musescore, Finale, Sibelius. To the point where it's almost easier to recreate the song on some files. If I could get Finale to reliably import into Dorico at about 90% I'd be happy. I like that Finale fonts can be used in Dorico.
After initially being gloomy upon the news, took a deep dive into Dorico videos and I'm impressed. Will have to try the demo tonight. I've long endured too many workarounds and bugs, with streamate and Keyboard maestro hacks to do the simplest of things in Finale, so perhaps I'm overdue. Though switching notation is almost more arduous than switching Daws.
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Thanks for this!!! . Gives me a ton of warm memories. Especially Invisible Stand and DX7. I also poured over these and bought a few. (Still have S- Series Samplers S550 and S50). I did everything but sell blood to get my Dx7. (Actually, sold my OBXa... but luckily got it back, but that's another story....)
Wish I was as organized, have a ton of old Catalogs and brochures and would like to do the same.
Perhaps also showing my age, I sort of liken this to physically holding an LP (or even lowly CD) vs Mp3,. The paper brochure has more impact than viewing things online.
These go great with the brochures: I wore out any corresponding Evantone sheets- especially the Arp Omni/Avatar and Dx sheets while reading along
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I use On-Stage KS7150 platform stand exclusively for the Classic As do many Hammond folks I don't do bass pedals, but have seen many who do with this stand and other clones. Plenty of room and it's very stable. Mostly use the pictured K&M for Nord-Piano stack, but also use the lesser known On Stage KSA 8500 2nd tier with the 7150 because it's highly tweakable (not to be confused with the cheaper 2nd tier option that is not height adjustable). The 7150 is also great for Wurli's and Rhodes.
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I'm all in on Triton. I concur the same patch sounds similar, but not exact through the different models. "Smoothy pad" or some of the horn patches are ones I use a lot, and haven't had any problem adapting. I'm just happy to have access to them again.
My LE was in storage too. This summer started doing a show again that used a ton of custom Multi LE patches. Considered recreating them, but ended up sampling them into the Nord. If I didn't need organ, would of brought the LE back out -silver nostalgia and all.
Use the Triton plug all the time in Mainstage. They did a great job and the pads and horns still sound and work great. I've said before probably due to higher bit rates, I think all the digi Korg plugs (Triton/Wavestation/M1/Prophecy) actually sound a bit better and cleaner than the hardware.Agreed the "extreme" is fun in the studio, but bogs down Mainstage too.
In my bar/wedding rig, also use Korg Module Triton expansion layered under Nord. I really wish they'd port it over to a dedicated IOS app.
Finally, got one the snack sized Micro Triton (in the orange "gun" case) found for dirt cheap at a pawn shop. Use and love it on Acoustic piano gigs for key bass or synth stuff.
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1 hour ago, BluesB3 said:
If I understand correctly how you are using your stand, it occurred to me that you could use this same process (for both legs though) to afix the second tiers to the lower section,
Thanks! I had posted pics of this rig a few weeks ago in another thread. I might actually take your idea and move the crossbar to another location. Though as mentioned, stability hasn't been a big issue once everything is on there.
Part of my problem when using the Stage (as opposed to Electro) is I can't get it low enough for hand comfort, without blocking the controls of the YC. Several others here have shortened the top arms or drilled additional holes for more height options, and I've considered that. Moving the YC a bit forward ended up being my current solution. Still a work in progress. This month using electro and organ rig - but back out in September with this rig, and may go back to my old on-stage stand for that.
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Thanks for posting this.
Though I guess I'm living on the "incorrect edge". I often don't use the crossbar. Part of my own hack is to actually have the 2nd tier resting on those (closed) knurled screws without locking them in- because with my particular seated setup (Nord Stage or Electro on top - YC bottom) I need that little bit of extra height to keep access to the YC. I know the crossbar provides more stability, I usually just make sure the stand if fully extended widthwise and it's still pretty stable.
BTW- As someone who is shop-challenged, I appreciated learning a what Tri-square is. It's a tool I never knew about before, and now I want one. 😃
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On 7/23/2024 at 12:20 PM, Stokely said:
Even if your patches are balanced, that balance likely won't survive once other instruments and vocals are happening. Frequencies start getting masked or they pop out. And of course on different systems something can sound....different
Also thinking now the choice of monitored outputs makes a difference? Just finished up bunch of shows on big theater sound systems. Before I hit the road, I had balanced my patches at home using my practice mixer's VU, and planned on just using the YC73's built in.
For these shows used Nord Stage on top and YC bottom, with Nord's outs patched into the YC. Then sent YC's 1/4 or XLRs to FOH via DI. One mistake I (think?) made was I used the YC's phones out to my Rolls PM thingie (mixed with a send from FOH) for IEM's. Rolls limiter was engaged for protection. In retrospect, really wonder if I should be listening to the stereo feed from the DI, to better represent exactly how the signal is coming out? Anyone else notice a significant difference when using the phones out vs main outs?In my mix from YC's phones jack, Nord's horns, strings & bells were killing me. So usually dialed Nord master back a bit. Then they sounded balanced with YC's sounds...or so I thought. When recently hearing several board or video mixes from different venues, Nord was often buried, while YC patches were crisp and clean and up front- even with similar patches..
I never pre-tested the Rolls configuration with the IEMs, and use regular head phones for personal practice- and wonder how all that interacted too? I know most FOH people usually slap on a limiter, but that would of clamped down the whole keys mix. Got no complaints at soundchecks, but thinking I need to change the way I monitor?
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Having started with legacy collection, never found Korg to be all that generous with their upgrade path. I'm holding at 3. Use Triton and Wavestation a bunch and those are pretty specific sounding, but plenty of other sources for the synth sounds. Full Bucket Music has a ton of free early Korg emulations, and also a great Arp Omni.
I think if you want a nice collection of synths plus decent Ep and AP, Clavs, and transistor organs- Arturia Analog lab offers very good bang for the buck at $99.00. They've also had some great freebies. I have V9, but could be happy just tweaking Analog Lab presets and get on with my day. I don't look to either company for electromechanical stuff, though I admit that Korg EP sounds nice in the isolated demos.
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Actively following this. Still trying to find a way to control the internal synth of Nord Electro 6; which ends up being a bit of a Frankenstein thing to pull off the way Nord crippled the midi implementation. Have an original MSC2 but that works more for controlling external synths/modules from the Nord, and my NE6 rig is pretty limited for space.
Turned to Etsy for some solutions: there is this for pitch, and several other vendors do mini-joysticks. I've bought USB mini faders for Mainstage and those work great, this one looks promising , though seller has addressed the Nord issues.
Fellow Nord Electro users: I follow this guy's great Nord channel and he's done couple of videos on ways to pull it off.
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Not sure if we have a "dig my gig" thought it might be fun to share. Just finished up a leg with the Forever Motown revue which features surviving members from the Temps, 4 tops and a ton of other vocalists plus dancers. This is from Saturday at the beautiful Alabama theater in Myrtle Beach SC.
I was 2nd keys, MD does sax and piano. Pretty much my same old rig. But went out this time not using Mainstage. Instead: after wiping it clean, put together a ton of custom samples into my old Stage 2 and worked really well. No mixer, just YC's built -in and a Rolls Pm55 (mounted on little shelf below Ipad #1) for IEMs. Ipad 2 is dedicated to ear mix and chart backup.
Was also the first time used Forscore to fully automate program changes on all boards. Simple hack of separating multi-page scores and treating them as individual songs - this way programs will automatically load on every page turn- which was crucial for medleys.
YC did great, especially for additional non-piano sounds (vibes, harp etc.) Experimented with a small Boss dual footswitch to do simultaneous leslie and sustain switching for both boards. Still need to do some tweaking. For upcoming travel will have to put together a mostly Mainstage rig.
PS- my $5 Led light plugged into the YC's Usb port is my new favorite "why didn't I do this sooner?" thing..... Great to be able to see the A/B control panel. Their LD was gracious enough to find me some old-school gel paper to cut the brightness down a bit. You can see the faint blue glow to the LH side of YC logo.
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1 hour ago, analogika said:
I ask because I still have my old Mk1 Rotosphere relegated to emergence backup in case the Leslie dies live, but I've been considering replacing it with a Vent.
Sold my Rotp Mk2 to get the more compact Vent strictly for organ use. Good news is they are fairly sought after by guitar players, and sold really quick. Didn't miss the tube, and welcomed Mini Vent's smaller size and better sound.
On topic: Had a play with Wurlybird in hotel room- Loved this. My usuals are Acoustic Samples , Scarbee 200, and occasionally Modart's Wurli or the Waves. The test is how well they sit in a track or work live. Bit purist , so prefer dry, no fx, natural with a tad of vibrato and a little top end bump. Was really impressed! . Instant buy.
Great job and thanks Mike!!
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Looking forward to demoing. As owner of real '58 120 and a '75 200a, happy to see something other than the 200 series.
Adore older early tube Wurlis, but those actions are downright primitive and a chore to play.
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So Yamaha basically said, "just try it, worst case it won't work.." I also reached out to the led vendor to see if they had any additional specs.
As mentioned did this forever on my Kurzweil with a 1st gen LED- never had a problem. As Stoken mentioned, these new ones are much more efficient. So much that even on lowest setting, needed a piece of painters tape covering the lens to knock it down a bit to not PO any LDs. I'll have to ask for a scrap of old-school gel paper on the gig.
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4 hours ago, Coker said:
I now plan to plug in a USB multiblock there so I can plug my light in.
That's a good idea. I currently have a multi on the floor going to two ipads, plus a BT midi thru box which also needs usb power. If brought up to keyboard level might cut down on the fugly factor.
Thanks all. Funny- Yamaha has "escalated" my inquiry to a senior tech. I'll keep ya posted if they go beyond the standard "don't charge your phone" response.
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1 hour ago, BluesB3 said:
If so, how much would you have to spend to get a tablet with enough capability?
Depends on the board. Most manufactures have a free app. Most are IOS and Android- but not all are Android. I do a lot of theater gigs. For any new venue I'll ask the FOH ahead of time what board they're using. Same will apply to a studio situation.
Your phone will probably work. The cheapest new 10.2 Ipad, or a refurb that's relatively new is great. But like WineKez, I also have an ancient Ipad mini that can usually still connect to most boards. It just can't update to latest version of the apps. Good (or bad?) news is those app aren't updated all that often.
Behringer (which owns Midas) have apps for Android- and at my old church we used plain cheap refurb Kindle fires to get connected to the X series boards. You can usually download demos of most of the IOS/Android apps. (E.G X32, Yamaha etc.)
There are a couple of universal mixing apps for both IOS and Android- that work with just about every board. "MX Buss"( $5 ) is one I use a bunch as I tend to run into mostly Midas & Pre-Sonus in live shows, and it's less fussy about connecting and often better than the native apps.
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This is why I reach to those who know better than me.... and I'm way out my jurisdiction here.
More specs found on the LED light:
SPECIFICATIONS
Power: 1W
Input: 5V / 0.5-2A
So how does one determine? Used an online converter of watts to mA, simple enough: 1w=1000 mA. (1000x1) Which would be way over. Or is the stated lamp wattage in these kind of specs actually a milliwatt ( .001)?
Thanks!
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Part of my frustration with Ipad music apps is stuff that's not easy to implement or awkward. For those who use Korg Module (or don't...)- they have a nice under the radar $5.00 Wurly add on that I use on my organ only rig (driven by lower manual of Crumar Classic).
I've come back to using the ipad a bit more these days- For better or worse, Korg Module along with the 70's EP. Layer, and Triton add ons, has been pretty reliable on casual gigs.
Two tier Nord setup rotary problems
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Thanks Mike, really appreciate it.
Because I was brought up "5 pin" LOL- Other than occasionally doing YC with Korg Module or librarian use, always forget about using the USB ports on the Nord or YC live - that's something I need to look into more.
RE: CME- I use their BlueTooth Thru box in a similar fashion to Set list maker using Forscore page turns/buttons to send different program changes to each board, & occasionally Mainstage. Basically same as using the CCK and a thru box, perhaps a little cleaner at the Ipad end, but still more junk on the floor.
Forscore only supports one BT device, and Nord & Yamaha don't have midi thru. BT program changes get sent to the CME Thru box, then regular midi cables from box to each board's Midi in.
The great thing about the CME is it also has wired Midi input too, and super low latency. With that, I've considered using a midi enabled footswitctch/pedal to send select leslie/sustain or expression over the network.
I've also used their Widi thing when using just one board, as well as the Yamaha BT adaptor which made for a very simple clean connection when using just one keyboard.