Music Player Network

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Most difficult song you ever learned? #3014927 11/04/19 08:43 PM
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 86
M
Music With Marky Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
M
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 86
I don't spend much time learning other people's music any longer, but I thought it would be cool to hear from everyone what that one song was that was like building a house to learn. For me it was cliffs of Dover by Eric Johnson. There are so many aspects pf that song that stretched my technique way beyond it's limits. The thing I loved about it and still do is how much of the really hard and technical parts still sounded very musical. At times there were aspects of it that sounded simple even, until I dug into it. Eric is a great player.


www.youtube.com/c/MusicWithMarky - Trying to make the world better, one guitar note at a time.
GP Island
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Music With Marky] #3014940 11/04/19 09:17 PM
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 267
KuruPrionz Online Content
Senior Member
Online Content
Senior Member
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 267
Toss up between Tatooed Love Boys by The Pretenders and Georgia by Hoagy Carmichael (made famous by Ray Charles).

I was on a mostly original band that covered TLB and played it exactly like the record. The timing(s) are not normal, you gotta stay on your toes.
The riffs and chords are easy.

Georgia has lovely diminshed and augmented chords that need to be there. I no longer remember it but have been thinking I would learn it again, it's a good lesson in song structure.


There is never enough time to be in a hurry...
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: KuruPrionz] #3014946 11/04/19 09:59 PM
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 86
M
Music With Marky Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
M
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 86
Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Toss up between Tatooed Love Boys by The Pretenders and Georgia by Hoagy Carmichael (made famous by Ray Charles).

I was on a mostly original band that covered TLB and played it exactly like the record. The timing(s) are not normal, you gotta stay on your toes.
The riffs and chords are easy.

Georgia has lovely diminshed and augmented chords that need to be there. I no longer remember it but have been thinking I would learn it again, it's a good lesson in song structure.


Those songs where the timing is really odd can be such a bear. You hear them and think it's not going to be a problem, then it takes forever to get right.


www.youtube.com/c/MusicWithMarky - Trying to make the world better, one guitar note at a time.
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Music With Marky] #3014967 11/05/19 01:08 AM
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 5,252
desertbluesman Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 5,252
The chord progression on guitar for Maybe I'm Amazed a Paul McCartney piano tune. I had to have Steven Weinglass my buddy from way back, teach me the chords from his piano, note for note a long time ago, because I did not know those chords in the way that they were played on piano. So he looked at each piano chord, gave me the notes, I made up the fingering from the notes, and learned it. I still play it to this day, every day in my warm ups.


dbm
If it sounds good, it is good !!
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=143231&content=music
Harvey Cedars is my stage name on Soundclick
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Music With Marky] #3014984 11/05/19 05:00 AM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 12,382
Larryz Offline
10k Club
Offline
10k Club
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 12,382
I have never really learned to play a difficult song, but I have taught myself a few. If was going to [pick] one, I guess it would be Scotch and Soda. I couldn't learn from the record as I had no idea it was by the Kingston Trio and wouldn't know where to find it. No sheet music. No Tab. No Teacher. No YouTube. No lyrics and chord web sites back in those days. My 2nd cousin was retired from the Navy and played in a few bars semi-pro. He would come to visit at least twice a year and I would listen to him play and sing the song each time he came by (along with 5 foot 2). It grabbed my ear back then and I still play my version Scotch and Soda today. I picked out the chords the best I could and improved them over the years and wrote my own lead break (I never copy leads). In my research, I found the song was written by an unknown writer around 1932, long before the Trio put it out.

Like Elvis and Ray Charles, I like doing my own versions/arrangements of songs. As Frankie would say "I did it my way." So, I do not learn songs note for note or play them just like the record or copy leads, as I like to improvise the leads. +1 Georgia is also a favorite and was not easy to play and sing. I love teaching myself the older jazz/pop standard songs with complex chord patterns (Also tunes like Route 66 and Desert Skies). I'm more of a vocalist using the guitar as my backup piano LOL! I do research the records by the original artists, and use all the tools mentioned above. It's hard remembering all the chords and lyrics to the songs that I challenge myself to learn. I learn from the chord common denominators that are in a lot of the tunes that I take on. There are a few that I would have to go back and revisit that I have neglected lately (like Masquerade, Moon Dance, Tell It Like It Is and I Left My Heart In San Franciso) before playing them in front my musical buds or in front of an audience. cool


Take care, Larryz
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Larryz] #3014996 11/05/19 07:00 AM
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 86
M
Music With Marky Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
M
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 86
You definitely have to do covers your own way. I agree with that!


Originally Posted by Larryz
I have never really learned to play a difficult song, but I have taught myself a few. If was going to [pick] one, I guess it would be Scotch and Soda. I couldn't learn from the record as I had no idea it was by the Kingston Trio and wouldn't know where to find it. No sheet music. No Tab. No Teacher. No YouTube. No lyrics and chord web sites back in those days. My 2nd cousin was retired from the Navy and played in a few bars semi-pro. He would come to visit at least twice a year and I would listen to him play and sing the song each time he came by (along with 5 foot 2). It grabbed my ear back then and I still play my version Scotch and Soda today. I picked out the chords the best I could and improved them over the years and wrote my own lead break (I never copy leads). In my research, I found the song was written by an unknown writer around 1932, long before the Trio put it out.

Like Elvis and Ray Charles, I like doing my own versions/arrangements of songs. As Frankie would say "I did it my way." So, I do not learn songs note for note or play them just like the record or copy leads, as I like to improvise the leads. +1 Georgia is also a favorite and was not easy to play and sing. I love teaching myself the older jazz/pop standard songs with complex chord patterns (Also tunes like Route 66 and Desert Skies). I'm more of a vocalist using the guitar as my backup piano LOL! I do research the records by the original artists, and use all the tools mentioned above. It's hard remembering all the chords and lyrics to the songs that I challenge myself to learn. I learn from the chord common denominators that are in a lot of the tunes that I take on. There are a few that I would have to go back and revisit that I have neglected lately (like Masquerade, Moon Dance, Tell It Like It Is and I Left My Heart In San Franciso) before playing them in front my musical buds or in front of an audience. cool


www.youtube.com/c/MusicWithMarky - Trying to make the world better, one guitar note at a time.
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Music With Marky] #3015016 11/05/19 02:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,973
W
Winston Psmith Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
W
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,973
Mahavishnu's "Hope" (very strange progression), or King Crimson's "RED" (lot of moving parts). Currently working on a Guitar Synth arrangement of the last movement of Stravinsky's "Firebird" Wish me luck . . .


"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

http://www.novparolo.com
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Music With Marky] #3015020 11/05/19 03:12 PM
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 12,382
Larryz Offline
10k Club
Offline
10k Club
Joined: Jun 2008
Posts: 12,382
Originally Posted by Music With Marky
You definitely have to do covers your own way. I agree with that!



@ Mark, +1 I'm concentrating my future efforts into writing my own music and like you, seldom playing/learning "other people's music" (i.e. covers). I have met and played with some buds in my travels that only play originals. They were a lot of fun to play with. One of them said a classic line, that I still get a kick out of: "I never play covers and love playing my own music, that way no one can say 'You're playing it wrong'. " I hope to use what I've learned playing rhythm guitar over the years using chords and pattern arrangements, etc., to hopefully back up a new melody or two. I'll still play some of my old cover stuff just for the fun of it and try to learn from them...I think the first real attempt will be the most difficult song I ever learned LOL! cool

Last edited by Larryz; 11/05/19 03:44 PM. Reason: sp.

Take care, Larryz
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Music With Marky] #3015026 11/05/19 03:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 5,670
Danzilla Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: Jan 2004
Posts: 5,670
Recently, it would be the bass part of Emerson Lake & Palmer's "Trilogy". Just had to parse it out into little sections (easy; not so easy; difficult; and improvised what the heck), then memorize those; then find the joining parts & patterns. Didn't ace it; but held my own.


"Am I enough of a freak to be worth paying to see?"- Separated Out (Marillion)
NEW band Old band
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Music With Marky] #3015033 11/05/19 05:08 PM
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 311
surfergirl Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
Joined: Dec 2017
Posts: 311
Vocally, As tears go by. I always felt like I was reading it instead of singing it.


Jenny S.
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Winston Psmith] #3015048 11/05/19 07:29 PM
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 86
M
Music With Marky Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
M
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 86
Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
Mahavishnu's "Hope" (very strange progression), or King Crimson's "RED" (lot of moving parts). Currently working on a Guitar Synth arrangement of the last movement of Stravinsky's "Firebird" Wish me luck . . .


Kudos on taking on some VERY challenging stuff there!


www.youtube.com/c/MusicWithMarky - Trying to make the world better, one guitar note at a time.
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: surfergirl] #3015049 11/05/19 07:29 PM
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 86
M
Music With Marky Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
M
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 86
Originally Posted by surfergirl
Vocally, As tears go by. I always felt like I was reading it instead of singing it.


Oh yeah - you never want a vocal to feel disconnected like that! =[


www.youtube.com/c/MusicWithMarky - Trying to make the world better, one guitar note at a time.
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Music With Marky] #3015057 11/05/19 08:04 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,973
W
Winston Psmith Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
W
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,973
Originally Posted by Music With Marky
Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
Mahavishnu's "Hope" (very strange progression), or King Crimson's "RED" (lot of moving parts). Currently working on a Guitar Synth arrangement of the last movement of Stravinsky's "Firebird" Wish me luck . . .


Kudos on taking on some VERY challenging stuff there!


Thank you. Good transcription opened up "Hope"; BTW, on a 7-string in Standard Tuning, you can play the entire tune above the 5th fret. I got parts of "RED" by ear, other parts from random transcriptions and tabs. "Firebird," I'm trying to do entirely by ear, inspired in part by Rick Wakeman's version on "YesSongs." Of course, he had both hands and both feet to work with.

The one that still eludes me is one of my favorite tunes of all time, Jobim's "Aguas De Marco." (Sorry, didn't get the accent marks in.) Like much of his work, the melody is deceptively simple, but the chord progression!?!?!?! I bow my head in respect.


"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

http://www.novparolo.com
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Music With Marky] #3015095 11/06/19 01:57 AM
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 5,252
desertbluesman Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 5,252
@ Winston PSmith. As a Synth guy, you may be interested in what I did with Maybe I'm Amazed (McCartney) as I mentioned above as the most difficult tune I ever learned. I was using 4 synths and a Roland GM70 Guitar to MIDI unit, so I added strings, piano, organs, using 2 Roland D 550's, a Mks 1000 Piano module, a Roland MKS 70 synth, and a full Yamaha TX rack (8 Yamaha DX 7's in a rackmount (all in rack mount), it sounded awesome with the added guitar sound as well.

Picture of the TX rack


Attached Files index.jpg

dbm
If it sounds good, it is good !!
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=143231&content=music
Harvey Cedars is my stage name on Soundclick
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: desertbluesman] #3015150 11/06/19 09:23 PM
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,973
W
Winston Psmith Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
W
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 3,973
@DBM - Damn, never saw one of those DX racks before, at least not that I recall!!!

I remember the early MIDI Guitar rigs from Roland and Ibanez, with the huge "printer"-style multi-pin connectors. Was it the 700 that had the weird "stabilizer bar" that looked like a handle?

I love FM Synthesis, even though it's not designed for humans to program. Still have a TZ81z in my Synth rack. Also still have a nice working Roland D-5, D-110 and the PG-10 Programmer. L/A Synthesis is only slightly less insane than FM, IMHO.


"Monsters are real, and Ghosts are real too. They live inside us, and sometimes, they win." Stephen King

http://www.novparolo.com
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Winston Psmith] #3015160 11/07/19 02:15 AM
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 5,252
desertbluesman Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Offline
MP Hall of Fame Member
Joined: May 2007
Posts: 5,252
Originally Posted by Winston Psmith
@DBM - Damn, never saw one of those DX racks before, at least not that I recall!!!

I remember the early MIDI Guitar rigs from Roland and Ibanez, with the huge "printer"-style multi-pin connectors. Was it the 700 that had the weird "stabilizer bar" that looked like a handle?

I love FM Synthesis, even though it's not designed for humans to program. Still have a TZ81z in my Synth rack. Also still have a nice working Roland D-5, D-110 and the PG-10 Programmer. L/A Synthesis is only slightly less insane than FM, IMHO.

I had a TX 81Z as well back in those days.

I used a custom made Philip Petillo guitar with the GK1 pickup added to do the guitar to MIDI work. The Roland GM 70 would drive 4 synths each on it's own MIDI channel. I do not know what a 700 was as mentioned above. My set up could use any guitar as long as it had the GK1 pup installed next to the bridge between the rear pup and the bridge. The DX rack was awesome, you could use the 8 modules on one channel doing the same thing but de-tuned a bit to make the sound huge or use each module on its own MIDI channel doing separate things. I sold it as well as one of my D550's to Jazzy Jeff, Will Smiths DJ, and Will picked up the other D550. I sold most of the stuff through Tekcom in Philly which went out of business several years later. Will Smith and Jazzy Jeff did biz at Tekcom, I never met them. I just collected the money from Tekcom.


dbm
If it sounds good, it is good !!
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=143231&content=music
Harvey Cedars is my stage name on Soundclick
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Music With Marky] #3015272 11/08/19 02:25 AM
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 670
Lokair Offline
Gold Member
Offline
Gold Member
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 670
Bar none Teen town on fretless bass, never really mastered it, but got alot of complements on playing live with my guitar teachers band . And he got to play keyboard parts on his synth guitar , the drummer got to play his electronic kit. the rest of the set was super simple for the bass but hat song os a monster. and I had tab from guitar player for practicing musician(i think).

Lok


1997 PRS CE24, 1981 Greco MSV 850, 1991 Greco V 900, 2 2006 Dean Inferno Flying Vs, 1987 Gibson Flying V, 2000s Jackson Dinky/Soloist, 1992 Gibson Les Paul Studio,
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Lokair] #3015294 11/08/19 08:12 AM
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 86
M
Music With Marky Offline OP
Senior Member
OP Offline
Senior Member
M
Joined: Sep 2019
Posts: 86
Originally Posted by Lokair
Bar none Teen town on fretless bass, never really mastered it, but got alot of complements on playing live with my guitar teachers band . And he got to play keyboard parts on his synth guitar , the drummer got to play his electronic kit. the rest of the set was super simple for the bass but hat song os a monster. and I had tab from guitar player for practicing musician(i think).

Lok


Oh geez man... Kudos to you! Knowing you can play this even some makes me want to do a collab. I LOVE Jaco!


www.youtube.com/c/MusicWithMarky - Trying to make the world better, one guitar note at a time.
Re: Most difficult song you ever learned? [Re: Music With Marky] #3016005 11/13/19 03:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 98
D
dougb415 Offline
Senior Member
Offline
Senior Member
D
Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 98
As a guitarist - In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
As a keyboardist - Roundabout (also sang backing vocals)


Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3