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B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? #3002473 08/09/19 12:51 PM
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Hey fellow B3-heads,

I'm having a devil of a time trying to figure out the B3 drawbar settings for an amazing New Mastersounds song called "San Frantico." Anyone want to help give me a hand figuring it out?

New Mastersounds - San Frantico

My guess is he's using a preset, as 888800000 in the video certainly isn't it. Watching the video, it looks like the keys don't match the notes, but are a 5th higher....so I'm wondering if it's like 280080000 - but that doesn't sound quite right. Also wondering if percussion is 2nd, or even there at all. Definitely a slight bit of distortion as well, which gives it a great edge.

The song's chorus is on the lower manual, and I'm guessing that is a straightforward 888888888.

Thanks!

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Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Thoomp!] #3002500 08/09/19 03:43 PM
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Sounds like 3rd percussion, normal, slow (towards the end, you can hear the percussion fade away into what sounds like a pretty generic 888800000 as he plays legato at one point).

Cranked into distortion, though.

Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Thoomp!] #3002514 08/09/19 05:39 PM
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Actually, to me it sounds like the 2nd percussion, normal, slow, with the first two drawbars pushed in, fast Leslie. 0 0 8 8 8 3 0 0 0 sounds reasonably close on my iPad Galileo


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Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Thoomp!] #3002590 08/10/19 12:58 PM
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Reminds me of a setting used by Shirley Scott that had prominent 2nd percussion. There is an old thread that discussed her reg’s.


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Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Thoomp!] #3002591 08/10/19 01:00 PM
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Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Thoomp!] #3002707 08/11/19 02:19 AM
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Sounds like 3rd Perc Normal Slow with few if any drawbars pulled out more than a tiny bit. Depending on the organ you can get this sound by setting DBs to something like 121000000/ or 232000000 or even as little as 020000000 or 030000000 and the perc as described. Look closer at the vid you provided and I think you'll see I'm in the ballpark. Keep training your ears to figure this stuff out and you'll gain more usable skill.


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Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Thoomp!] #3002744 08/11/19 02:36 PM
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I'm hearing 3rd perc as well. Joe seems to hit the F key at 0:22 and the prevailing pitch is clearly C.

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Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Steve Nathan] #3002860 08/12/19 05:09 AM
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Various overhead shots are showing the B preset selected and first 4 dBars out, but that's not what we're hearing. What's with that?


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Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Jon May] #3003019 08/13/19 06:56 AM
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Or am I missing something... ? Percussion aside, AFAIK the 2 left-hand sets of dBars are for the top manual, and in the video one set is pushed right in and the other is 8888. confused


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Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Thoomp!] #3003034 08/13/19 12:16 PM
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Yes - was thinking the same thing about the settings. In no way are we hearing 8888. Interesting though, percussion sounds like 2nd in the early part of the song, then 3rd later on. Could be my ears playing tricks.

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Originally Posted by Jon May
Or am I missing something... ? Percussion aside, AFAIK the 2 left-hand sets of dBars are for the top manual, and in the video one set is pushed right in and the other is 8888. confused

My best guess is that we are not seeing a true "live" session and the audio was recorded separately, or from a different take.

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Let's be open to the possibility that this is mimed video and not what was laid down on the album.

Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Thoomp!] #3003128 08/13/19 11:45 PM
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Folks. Look again. On my screen it appears that he has the 888800000 most of us hear, on his lower manual, and something like I described on the upper. I believe this is a live take.
[Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]


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Originally Posted by Steve Nathan
Folks. Look again. On my screen it appears that he has the 888800000 most of us hear, on his lower manual, and something like I described on the upper. I believe this is a live take.
[Linked Image from live.staticflickr.com]

Don't the left hand (player's perspective) drawbars control the upper manual? The video shows him playing the melody on the upper manual, which is on the b natural preset at 88880000 in the video.

Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Thoomp!] #3003139 08/14/19 01:46 AM
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Don't the left hand (player's perspective) drawbars control the upper manual? The video shows him playing the melody on the upper manual, which is on the b natural preset at 88880000 in the video.


Yes, that's normally true, but either the pic is whack or his instrument is wired differently. All I know is that when he plays the lower manual in the vid, it sounds like the 888800000 setting to the left, and when he plays the upper manual it sounds like 000020200 w/3rd perc. to the right. hitt Looks wrong, but those are the sounds I hear.


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Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Steve Nathan] #3003140 08/14/19 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Steve Nathan
Yes, that's normally true, but either the pic is whack or his instrument is wired differently. All I know is that when he plays the lower manual in the vid, it sounds like the 888800000 setting to the left, and when he plays the upper manual it sounds like 000020200 w/3rd perc. to the right. hitt Looks wrong, but those are the sounds I hear.

I definitely trust your ears, Steve! I guess I just don't trust my own eyes freak grin

Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Thoomp!] #3003275 08/14/19 10:12 PM
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“Wired differently” was all I could think of, now I won’t sleep wondering “why???” laugh


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Re: B3 Drawbar settings for a New Mastersounds song? [Re: Thoomp!] #3003304 08/15/19 02:59 AM
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It's 2nd harmonic percussion but on 'normal' which lowers the level of the drawbars. The registration can be seen in the video. 888 800 000

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Sounds like he switches to 3rd harmonic for the solo.

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Okay, call me a curmudgeon, but if I hear one! more! drummer! playing funk on top ... 🤐


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Totally OT, but that bass!


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