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#2894793 - 12/09/17 04:38 AM alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays...
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bluesman JUNIOR WELLS would be 82 today,,,,and
DAN HICKS would be 76.

Give a look skyward and wish them a "happy". wink
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#2894800 - 12/09/17 07:01 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Hope Caevan reminds us of Django's next month like he usually does. Elvis pops up on January 8th. He's the only one I have memorized and only because one of my good buds has a birthday on the same day...but, I'll chime in now and then if I see some like Roy O, Roy B, Les, Chet, Jerry, Marty, Johnny, etc., as they always keep my spirits up LOL! cool
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#2894807 - 12/09/17 07:48 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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Saw Junior Wells with Buddy Guy at a bar called The Rip Tide in Beach Haven New Jersey a very long time ago. That was the night I became a fan of Buddy Guy. He was playing a Gibson ES 335 that night and during one pause between songs he started playing blues licks with the volume controls turned down. He shut the whole bar full of young white folks who all paused to listen to him play, the rest of the band was silent, and to my astonishment so was the crowd. Then slowly he upped the volume and then the band kicked in.

Anyways Happy posthumous birthday To Jumior Wells and Dan Hicks.
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#2894941 - 12/10/17 04:37 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: desertbluesman]
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Today it's Eddie Jones' 91st birthday. Born just two months after Chuck Berry, he did a tune called "The Things I Used To Do" that was covered by Chuck, but many others like Clapton, SRV and Winter.---

Known as "Guitar Slim", he died young, way back in 1959.
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#2895051 - 12/11/17 04:35 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Willie Mae"Big Mama" Thornton would have been 91 today. Had she NOT recorded the original HOUND DOG, ya gotta wonder if ELVIS would have got around to it or not. smile

1926 seemed to be a banner year for American culture.....
Chuck Berry
Mama Thornton
Marilyn Monroe
Hugh Hefner
Fidel Castro
Miles Davis
Jerry Lewis
GEORGE MARTIN
Harper Lee

And many other notables, some, like those listed above, have had a HUGE impact on American culture!

And a huge impact on ME, since my Mother was born that year too. wink
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#2895301 - 12/12/17 04:32 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Another favorite, reedman GROVER WASHINGTON Jr. would be 74 if still with us, while MC5's ROB TYNER( no relation to McCoy. wink ) would be 73. He incidentally DID adopt the last name TYNER after McCoy though. wink
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#2895843 - 12/14/17 04:25 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Country crooner CHARLIE RICH would have been 85 today.

And DICK WAGNER just missed being 75! frown
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#2896219 - 12/16/17 03:44 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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JOHN ABERCROMBIE, who left us earlier this year would have been 73 today. frown
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#2896549 - 12/18/17 05:07 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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CHAS CHANDLER, Animal's bassist and Hendrix manager would have been 79 today, as well as elsewhere mentioned BIG BROTHER co-founder SAM ANDREW, who would have been 76.
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#2896711 - 12/19/17 04:38 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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A few today....
Folk legend PHIL OCHS would have been 77 today...
ALVIN LEE would be 73... as well as
ZAL YANOVSKY of The Lovin' Spoonful.

A happy birthday to all three, wherever they are. wink
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#2897103 - 12/21/17 03:41 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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In a perfect world, FRANK ZAPPA would be celebrating birthday #77 today.

CARL WILSON would be 71,

PACO DeLUCIA would be 70.
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#2897306 - 12/22/17 03:53 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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JAMES GURLEY of Big Brother and The Holding Co., who died just two days short of his 70th birthday, would be 78 today.
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#2897523 - 12/23/17 04:12 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Folkster TIM HARDIN would have been 76 today, and LINC CHAMBERLAND(see also; "Forgotten guitarists") would have been 77.
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#2898108 - 12/27/17 03:58 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Now, had he lived, legend SCOTTY MOORE would be 86 today...



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#2898144 - 12/27/17 07:41 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Scotty Moore is my adopted mentor. It was his guitar playing that inspired me long before I ever knew his name. He wrote all of the guitar parts for Elvis's hits while he was at Sun Records and into the early years of RCA. Definitely a guitar King of Rock and Roll. That ES-295 Gibson he's holding is iconic...it put Rock and Roll on the map IMHO. A very sad day for me when he passed away, but his music always lives on! thu
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#2898156 - 12/27/17 08:33 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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I agree with Larry Scotty was great to listen to. Anyone that plays guitar and heard his playing at least subconsciencely was affected in their style. Jim

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#2898277 - 12/28/17 04:22 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: jimmac]
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And obscure rockabilly guitar slinger/singer DORSEY BURNETTE would be 85 today had he stuck around. He, along with many others, also did a cover of "Keep A-knockin' "




And The Box Tops' ALEX CHILTON would have been 67.
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#2898440 - 12/29/17 04:31 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Obscure bluesman Prez "Kidd" Kenneth would have been 84 today

The Band's RICK DANKO would be 75 if all went well.

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#2898610 - 12/30/17 04:46 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Today, BO DIDDLEY would have been 89.

Here's two legends gettin' it on.


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#2898760 - 12/31/17 04:37 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Liked him or not(I thought he was OK enough) JOHN DENVER would have been 74 today.
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#2899293 - 01/03/18 04:55 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Early '50's R&B singer/guitar slinger DANNY OVERBEA would be 92 today. Think I'll drink "Forty Cups Of Coffee" in his honor. wink

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#2899580 - 01/04/18 09:15 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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JOHN DENVER

One of the 1st pop entertainers to openly & casually include allusions to, uh, herbal aromatherapy in his songs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxgsbLy2Cbc


Also worthy for stating his love for his Honey b/c she "filled out his census"...or is it "filled up my sensi" ?
& for having the courage to perform the slow waltz w/himself herein executed....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch7JGUIx1WU


Further, here he invited one of the most talented but neglected singers of her & our time, Cass Elliot (aka the female Dave Crosby).
Do it & done, John !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKdknYaSHgE

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#2899591 - 01/04/18 10:04 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: d]
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I have the Midnight Special DVD of John and Momma Cass doing that classic duet! John was definitely a great and talented song writer and so was Momma...they both left us much too soon! cool
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#2899642 - 01/04/18 02:03 PM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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I almost fergot that JD wrote one of pop music's most enduring anthems, of such import I feel it's only proper to post it here instead of prying it into the prior entry.

Toots Hibbert says "John & his friends can pass the pipe around my campfire anytime !"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PEHg4pxTk8


Whirling halfway 'round the world to another island, we find that uke master Iz Kamakawiwo'ole, also knows what's what when he hears it.
While based on Toots's arrangement catch his locally focused lyrics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZw5AC_re6I


I can't leave out this ref since, well, it's Mr Ray Charles & while he, too, cops the reggae feel just take a moment outta yer busy day & dig his vocal cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umkNMafwT74

As was once said, "May you never hear Jimi Taylor again !"
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#2899741 - 01/05/18 04:03 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: d]
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Can't say enough about Cass' excellent voice. Gone too soon for sure.

But since it's nowhere NEAR both Ray's and Iz's birthdays, I wonder why they were brought up HERE?
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#2899793 - 01/05/18 08:15 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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... since it's nowhere NEAR both Ray's and Iz's birthdays, I wonder why they were brought up HERE?

...... rolleyes
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That would be in the context of Henry John Deutschendorf Jr. (December 31, 1943 October 12, 1997, known professionally as John Denver) & his James Vernon Taylor- (born March 12, 1948~not dead yet) -tromping hit song "Country Roads".
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#2899804 - 01/05/18 08:44 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: d]
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Toots, IZ and Ray were all doing their rendition of a John Denver tune. I thought Ray's was a little less reggae than the other two, but I loved the reggae versions of the song. Fits in, Since JD's BD was brought up... cool
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#2899904 - 01/05/18 03:03 PM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: d]
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Originally Posted By: d

...... rolleyes
bor poke
That would be in the context of Henry John Deutschendorf Jr. (December 31, 1943 October 12, 1997, known professionally as John Denver) & his James Vernon Taylor- (born March 12, 1948~not dead yet) -tromping hit song "Country Roads".


I suppose if this WERE a John Denver thread, it'd make perfect sense. But.......... facepalm
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#2899970 - 01/05/18 10:07 PM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Fang, I think this thread is about who ever you bring up for our comments (if we have any). If you post John Denver's Posthumous BD and people want to talk about him and/or post his music or renditions by other artists of his music, it becomes a thread about John Denver (at least for a little while IMHO). cool
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#2899984 - 01/06/18 04:12 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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Sure. But wouldn't that have made more sense(In John's or anyone else's case) if that was done ON the date of their births, when it was posted? And NOT nearly a WEEK LATER?

And today, I'll mention this day would have seen SYD BARRETT turn 72;

And recently passed MALCOLM YOUNG become 65. frown

Honorable mention: British folk singer guitarist SANDY DENNY would have seen 71 if still with us.
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#2900047 - 01/06/18 09:10 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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At risk of provoking the usual defensiveness some exhibit, I find it funny (well, almost) that someone who's insisted repeatedly & vociferously on the "right" to post whatever they want, related or otherwise, wherever & whenever they want, would get uptight abt anyone tryna put a little context behind this endless list of names which, for the most part, delivers nothing concerning why anyone should care abt or honor those mentioned.
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Otherwise, what really is the point ?
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#2900051 - 01/06/18 09:41 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: d]
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@ Fang, I don't think people need to be standing by to post their comments on the day of. A week later is not so bad. Hell, I've seen many posts that I call tales from the crypt years later resurrecting old threads LOL! cool

@ d, I would concur that this thread and the living birthday thread are basically just and endless list of names (hopfully of guitar players). Most of the artists listed are unknown to me but I wish them a Happy Birthday anyway on the living ones. And the same is true on this thread, most of the artists are unknown to me. It's good to stay on topic when possible but I am also in the freedom crowd to go OT now and then or pursue other thoughts. We usually fall back in line sooner or later LOL! The point for me, is it's better to corral them all on one or two threads as opposed to starting endless threads just to say Happy Birthday. Anyone can start a special thread on any artist at any time birthday or not and go into greater detail especially on RIP threads. cool

@ et al, When I do see someone like Scotty Moore on this thread or on January 8th when Elvis' BD comes up, I'm sure I will say a few words or maybe even post a YouTube clip. The same is true on the Birthday thread. I hope others will do likewise when they see someone they admire... cool


Edited by Larryz (01/06/18 10:48 AM)
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#2900124 - 01/06/18 02:43 PM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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I'll admit I haven't heard of some of the people I post posthumous birthday notices of. And I can't figure out why someone who usually drones on about how this forum should be about "learning new things" and discovery of what's never been heard by any of us can't see this too, as a way of discovering a seemingly "new" name AND also hear something they've then obviously never heard before. I've actually uncovered some pretty fantastic stuff by guys that were long dead, but unheard of by me.

And I'd say that probably ALL of the unheard of dead guys might well have had some bearing of influence on those still living, which does make their mention worthwhile as contributors to some level of advancement. And THAT'S the point. poke
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#2900221 - 01/07/18 04:16 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Anyway, all there is today(and sorry, not a guitarist) is that PAUL REVERE of The Raiders would have been 80 today.
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#2900310 - 01/07/18 01:51 PM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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1st, the backslap...
[told ya it was coming...]
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I'll admit I haven't heard of some of the people I post posthumous birthday notices of. And I can't figure out why someone who usually drones on about how this forum should be about "learning new things" and discovery of what's never been heard by any of us can't see this too, as a way of discovering a seemingly "new" name AND also hear something they've then obviously never heard before. I've actually uncovered some pretty fantastic stuff by guys that were long dead, but unheard of by me.

And I'd say that probably ALL of the unheard of dead guys might well have had some bearing of influence on those still living, which does make their mention worthwhile as contributors to some level of advancement. And THAT'S the point.

So, I guess, the thing I do in offering context or background or simple celebration to this list of names, is, while you criticize it, what might be a good thing ?
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Then the voice of reason...
Originally Posted By: Larryz
@ Fang, I don't think people need to be standing by to post their comments on the day of. A week later is not so bad. Hell, I've seen many posts that I call tales from the crypt years later resurrecting old threads LOL! cool

I, for one, am not here every day.
Originally Posted By: Larryz

@ d, I would concur that this thread and the living birthday thread are basically just and endless list of names (hopfully of guitar players). Most of the artists listed are unknown to me but I wish them a Happy Birthday anyway on the living ones. And the same is true on this thread, most of the artists are unknown to me....[/qoute]
That's the crux of this is.
None of this, even when mentioning living, breathing player, is actually reaching them.
So the idea might be to celebrate what they did for us.
Some times that might seem obvious but, as is pointed out, sometimes even some of us don't know who the designated honoree is.
That's where the idea of putting context behind comes in, eh ?
As I mentioned recently I met a young player who, while a skilled player & a fan of Prince, had only the sketchiest idea of who Hendrix was. freak
I imagine that many even at a site such as this may wonder, "Who's Tal Farlow, Nick Lucas or Eddie Lang ?"
Same thing might apply to various new/young players or those working in a less popular genre.

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@ et al, When I do see someone like Scotty Moore on this thread or on January 8th when Elvis' BD comes up, I'm sure I will say a few words or maybe even post a YouTube clip. The same is true on the Birthday thread. I hope others will do likewise when they see someone they admire... cool

thu
Plus maybe even go to a site where one can actually communicate appreciation to those we hope to honor (take a hint abt Jerry Donahue, for ex)
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#2900388 - 01/07/18 08:00 PM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: d]
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Not long ago I went to a local venue and saw Merle Haggard. He passed away a few months later. The moral of the story is to go see these artists before pass away...I'm going to see another country star, Marty Stuart this week that use to record with Merle and many others. He's a classic Telemaster! We had a thread not long ago that was a game of listing all of our guitar heroes using the 1st initial of the last name or some sort of rule. It died out and didn't accomplish much and like this thread, there were tons of famous guitar players that I had never heard of. Just another endless list of names...I agree that commentary and YT clips can be valuable on this thread when you see someone you admire make the list. cool
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#2900441 - 01/08/18 04:53 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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So, when you get back from lighting a candle at church Larry, we can all pay a posthumous birthday wish to ELVIS PRESLEY, who'd be 83 today! smile

Ya gotta wonder what he'd be doing these days had it all gone right.

Also, rock promoter BILL GRAHAM would be 87;

And DAVID BOWIE would have been 71.

Cripes, all I stated was that I thought it made better sense to offer "context" or background and celebration of the people mentioned in this thread on the day their birthdate is mentioned. (OP note:) I WAS going to start an RIP thread for RAY THOMAS, a co-founder of The Moody Blues who is dead at 76, but I only learned( on another forum) that this morning. But also found out later this morn that he died FOUR DAYS ago. I figured that was too little too late, so scrapped the idea.

So, back to "basics", although not a super fan like Larry, I DID like a lot of Elvis tunes. Among my favorites, is this one, and I like this performance of it from his '68 "comeback" TV special. wink




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#2900507 - 01/08/18 09:05 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Gee, so relieved I was able to be here today & avoid the "deadline" !
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... a posthumous birthday wish to ELVIS PRESLEY, who'd be 83 today!
Ya gotta wonder what he'd be doing these days had it all gone right.

He'd likely be tryna get any current president to update his fake Double-Secret-Undercover-Anti-Drug Agent/Rock-Division badge...
...if he hadn't died from apoplexy when Lisa Marie married Mikey Jackson.

Elvis's greatest & worst musical moments (plus a palate cleanser):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gj0Rz-uP4Mk


Thanks, Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58z-eRUFt_E


Much as I'd like to leave it there w/ the evidence of EAP's inability to discern good from bad in plain sight, I also recognize that, kinda like America's other great EAP (Eddie Allan Poe), he was a mashed-up bundle of contradictions.
So...here's a clip that "explains" the mystery of EAP as much as may be done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-VSn-NHK2Q
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#2900572 - 01/08/18 11:56 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: d]
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Yeah, that clam movie with the slicing sand clam song was not a very good one for Elvis but not as bad as some of them others. That clam song is from all of our old Army cadence while marching songs (probably due to Elvis' Army marching days with him faking the electric lead on an acoustic guitar)...Now that I'm back from lighting a candle Fang, I used to sing One Night With You on stage in my Country Rock band days (One of my favorite Elvis songs when he was great and that really is him plying the guitar in that clip even though Scotty is standing by!). Here's a movie clip that came from one of his best movies King Creole...if you watch closely you'll see over Elvis' right shoulder Scotty Moore playing all the guitar parts on the big ole Gibson while Elvis fakes it out front on an acoustic. I really get a kick out of replaying it every January 8th as I remember both he and Scotty in the clip (along with the Jordanaires singing the backup vocals faking it as the band!). So Happy Belated Birthday to the King from one of your biggest fans!



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#2900642 - 01/08/18 02:28 PM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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Wasn't belated at all though. wink

But I also think it isn't fair to judge any Presley tune that comes from one of his films. It's my understanding that he wasn't really all that happy with most of the movies he really had not much choice in, both script wise and musically. I mean, if you want to judge the SONGS on their musical merit( or lack thereof) go ahead. But leave Elvis OUT of it.

And oh yeah, KING CREOLE is #1 of my favorite THREE Presley flicks. JAILHOUSE ROCK and WILD IN THE COUNTRY being the other two. wink But as hormone ravaged adolescents, we liked going to see any Elvis movie, mostly for the BABES he had in 'em. grin
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#2900651 - 01/08/18 02:50 PM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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I think it isn't fair to judge any Presley tune that comes from one of his films. It's my understanding that he wasn't really all that happy with most of the movies he really had not much choice in, both script wise and musically. I mean, if you want to judge the SONGS on their musical merit( or lack thereof) go ahead. But leave Elvis OUT of it.

Why ?
He agreed to do them, profited from them, most of his real fan base came from them.
To pretend he was somehow not part of their often lameness is to ignore the nature of his attitude toward music & his art.
On top of that there's his well-documented personal attitudes toward others.
To give him a free pass on his poor choices is to paint a false picture of him.

Of course, he's not the only entertainer who was/is a mix of such contradictions (one of my personal heroes, John Lennon, was also a bit offtrack at times & let's not even start on Bob Dyl) but he's the one under discussion here.
As has been discussed before & I demonstrated in the post above, I find great value in some of what he did but EAP was a very curious mix of great skill/talent + stunning, bewildering lack of concern with musical value.

That's why I chose the "Edge of Reality" clip above.
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#2900743 - 01/08/18 10:38 PM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: d]
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King Creole is a great movie with a great album to go with it. It's not about judging songs from the movie Fang. The clip I played is a classic with Scotty in the background. Most of the early Elvis movies were based upon his music as the main attraction and he loved doing them. It was his later films where he was under contract, not allowed to do his thing, and not allowed to be doing concerts, recordings, etc. His life sucked and he had little to say about how his music was being used in the films whether he liked it or not, he still honored his contracts.

@ d, The Beatles movies were pretty goofy but don't try telling the girls that LOL! I enjoyed them and the music that went with them. I think the movie moguls knew there was a lot of money to be made by putting Elvis and the Beatles on the big screen. But in those early days I truly enjoyed their music and didn't mind the corny stuff. I think GI Blues, Blue Hawaii were about the last movies he made with almost decent music. Elvis' early stuff was much more to my liking. I like all of the Beatles years to include their early stuff as well. Lyrics were kind of bubble gummy with I Want To Hold Your Hand, but I still love it! cool
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#2900781 - 01/09/18 04:53 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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I wasn't really referring to personal impressions, but general. As in the public impression.

As many abandoned Dylan when he "went electric" so did a lot of Presley fans when he(or rather the Colonel) started slicing singles from the lame sounding(in comparison to his early work) tunes on the movie soundtrack LPs. And the more lame and goofy the music and movies got, the more singles were cut from them. And lest we forget, PARKER signed the movie deals and Elvis, to avoid any legal hassles, reluctantly went along with them. He WANTED to do more substantial filmwork, more serious roles and all, but Parker insisted that would irreparably damage his "image" (and of course, mean less money for Parker) and ordered him to forget about it. In other words d, he didn't really choose those tunes and movies, but was GIVEN no choice.

Parker to me, seemed to be two sided. One side, he was the best thing to happen to Elvis, and on the other, probably also the worst.
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#2900825 - 01/09/18 08:20 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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Originally Posted By: Larryz
It was his later films where he was under contract, not allowed to do his thing, and not allowed to be doing concerts, recordings, etc. His life sucked and he had little to say about how his music was being used in the films whether he liked it or not, he still honored his contracts.


EAP didn't sign an endless contract to act in those films.
He periodically had the option to get out of that situation but opted to keep at it.
One can only presume he was happy to do so.
I'm not aware that any of his film contracts precluded him performing live & they definitely didn't interrupt his recording career.
I'm not a hater of his films, per se, but the musical material he accepted for them was often execrable & a demonstration of his lack of concern for either basic quality or for his fans.
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@ d, The Beatles movies were pretty goofy but don't try telling the girls that LOL! I enjoyed them and the music that went with them. I think the movie moguls knew there was a lot of money to be made by putting Elvis and the Beatles on the big screen.


Big diff there is that when the Beatles realized they didn't have anything to contribute by continuing their films, they stopped, except for McCartney.
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#2900829 - 01/09/18 08:35 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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He WANTED to do more substantial filmwork, more serious roles and all, but Parker insisted that would irreparably damage his "image" (and of course, mean less money for Parker) and ordered him to forget about it. In other words d, he didn't really choose those tunes and movies, but was GIVEN no choice.

Parker to me, seemed to be two sided. One side, he was the best thing to happen to Elvis, and on the other, probably also the worst.

EAP had the option to do what he wanted to at almost any time.
His contracts w/Parker or rec co.s or film co.s weren't life-long.
They were periodically renewed.
He chose to continue as he did.
Most fans of the early Elvis, I suspect, unequivocally consider Parker the worst thing that happened to him professionally.
Presley didn't even benefit financially as much as many think.
Like several other major music figures he naively signed over 50% of his gross income to his manager.
Parker actually made more than EAP did !
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#2900844 - 01/09/18 09:32 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: d]
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Like d indicated, I think Elvis could have got out of his movie contracts simply by not signing on to them at any time. They did limit his live performances and until they expired Elvis honored them. However, Elvis made a ton of money from his film contracts and the Colonel negotiated them in his best interest (and in his own LOL!). Here's the list showing how much Elvis made for each of his film contracts while Parker was his manager. Parker had managed to get Elvis 50% of the movie profits for his films which was unheard of in the movie industry:

https://theelvisexpert.com/tag/elvis-presley-movie-contracts/

I don't think Parker was the worst thing to happen to Elvis...cool


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#2901044 - 01/10/18 05:00 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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OK, "whatevs".....and moving along:

"50's R&B guy BYRON "Wild Child" GIPSON would be 88 today;

With this day being JIM CROCE's 76th birthday.

For those unfamiliar with Gipson (like me too wink ) Here's a sample:

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#2901068 - 01/10/18 07:19 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Jim Croce left us way to soon. He was a super talented singer songwriter. I really enjoyed a ton of his songs. I think this one is my favorite:



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#2901123 - 01/10/18 10:03 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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Croce one of my favorites. I was sad when his plan crashed and get sad sometimes thinking about how much more great music he and Maury would have created. Jim

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#2901209 - 01/10/18 02:47 PM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: jimmac]
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JIM, I wondered that often myself.

Larry: Some say that one should be MY favorite too, since I've worked at several car washes since I was about 14 or so. wink

Well, sure, I CAN relate to it, but I can relate as well to this one recalling several times in my life too. wink



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#2901237 - 01/10/18 04:53 PM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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I was about 15 when I got my 1st real job, and yep, it was working at the car wash! I guess that's why I love the song so much LOL! cool
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#2901304 - 01/11/18 04:25 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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Heh! And I'll bet WINTER time car wash work was FAR better there than here! wink

SLIM HARPO( James Isaac Moore) would be 94 if still with us today. STILL like his only "big" hit:


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#2901400 - 01/11/18 09:26 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Slim Harpo = Mick Jagger's fave bluesman
(give the vid a minute---it gets hot !)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n6vNOHjWaA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LimUFNB52Q0
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#2901534 - 01/12/18 04:57 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: d]
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RAY PRICE missed his 92nd birthday;
"folkster" GLEN YARBOROUGH would have been 88;
and LARRY HOPPEN(Orleans) would have been 67 today.
So would CHRIS BELL of the short-lived band Big Star. Too bad. He was only 27 when he passed 40 years ago. shocked

Not a GREAT band, but not all that bad IMHO:



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#2901592 - 01/12/18 08:22 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Ray Price strikes a special chord with me as he was my Dad's favorite country singer. He crossed over from die hard country of his early days and into the pop charts in later years with this tune written by Kris Kristofferson:



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#2901758 - 01/13/18 05:01 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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Quite the breadth today----

Long gone jazzman DANNY BARKER's 109th is today,

And JOE PASS would have been 89.

TIM KELLY of Slaughter though, would have been 55 but died 20 years ago next month.
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PS: MY Dad's favorite singer was Vaughn Monroe, but we won't go THERE. smirk


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#2901788 - 01/13/18 07:52 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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Joe Pass is one of my all-time favorite jazz players! Here he is behaving:



Looks like we share a birthday today! cool
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#2901872 - 01/13/18 03:58 PM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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That so?
Well then, HAPPY BIRTHDAY to YOU TOO, LARRYZ! like

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#2901935 - 01/14/18 07:53 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: whitefang]
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THANKS FANG! If it were not for this thread, I would have never known that me and Joe Pass shared the same day. Now it will always be easy to remember Joe's BD! thu
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#2902427 - 01/16/18 05:24 AM Re: alrighty then...POSTHUMOUS birthdays... [Re: Larryz]
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And I'm guessing one of these will be of interest to you Larry----
ROY LANHAM once with The Sons Of The Pioneers woud have been 95 if longevity was in his cards, and...

BOB BOGLE--co-founder of The Ventures would have been 81.

Seems both he AND we were and are older than we thought. wink Or LIKE to anyway. grin
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Actually both of them are in my DNA. My mom loved the Sons Of The Pioneers. She only played one song on the guitar and it was Cool Water in D. The Ventures helped pioneere my intro into the guitar world and playing in my 1st gigging band back in '65 - '69. The boys and I still get together... cool
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GRADY MARTIN, one of country's top session men, would have been 89 today.

Let's give a listen--
(and dig THAT crazy axe!)
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PHIL EVERLY would be 79 if all went well;

JANIS JOPLIN's 75th is today

And ROBERT PALMER is missing his 69th.
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Sometimes I learn something that suprises me. I never would have guessed Janis was born before Dolly. I have to reset that impression. Kind of like when I realized one of my first wifes uncles was younger than me after always thinking for no good reason that he was older. Jim

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Maybe Dolly's appearance and appeal to an older generation of listeners maybe? That'd be my guess.

As for your wife's Uncle, the fact he IS an uncle probably helped with that impression. That kind of thing can get confusing and in today's "extended" family atmosphere, THIS song doesn't sound so much as a "novelty".---



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I've got to mention, due to his huge influence on many over the decades, probably for over a century, that today marks the 130th anniversary of the birth of HUDDIE LEDBETTER(aka: LEADBELLY). Blues/folk-blues singer/songwriter and 12-string master.

Friend and inspiration to many of our contemporary "heroes", his life too, is an inspiration. And although interesting to watch, the 1976 biopic "LEADBELLY" really does him no justice.

But, we can't let this pass without a listen... wink

Probably his best known and most covered tune...


This one shows his playing skills...


But this might be more familiar..;)


And I hope I didn't go thru the trouble of posting these for nothing.
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Wow.....

NO love for LEADBELLY, eh?
So, how about RICHIE HAVENS who would have been just a youthful 77 today if he'd stuck around?

How about his softer side(and this maybe should be in "covers)


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