dvergar Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 I am a studio owner and a drummer and most definitely not a guitar player. I recently bought a Line 6 POD Pro for my studio, and I have had nothing but raves from guitarist coming through here. Some have called it a cheat, others called it artificial, but all agreed it sounds increadible. My question is this: Who is using it, have you found any great custom sounds or techniques, and has anyone tried any unusual or strange signal paths or mixing tricks using the POD? ------------------ "You don't just EAT the biggest turnip in the world!" http://www.theodysseystudio.com "You don't just EAT the biggest turnip in the world!" http://www.theodysseystudio.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trick fall Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 I got the original Pod as soon as it came out and have no shame using it. My band recently recorded in a good studio with a good mics, good amps etc. and what we often did on overdubs was mic up my Fender Deluxe and use the Pod as a preamp so we could rapidly change sounds. Since we didn't have the luxury of a lot of time to switch amps it was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 My take on the POD is that all those people who love it must have some really shitty amps. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif I do have a POD, and it's a handy tool, I use it mainly for working up arrangements at 3 am when I don't want to wake anybody up. I might also use it for a "coloration" track if I need some weird effect that I can't get out of one of my amps. But as the primary "amp" for the main guitar track(s) on an actual recording or live gig? No way. I've tweaked it and gotten some cool sounds out of it but it ain't an amp. Then again, I'm your basic vintage tube amp freak and have a couple of amps that totally float my boat, that I can't imagine living without no matter how big a pain it is to lug them around. Sooo that's what I'm sticking with! --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 I got seriously addicted to sitting in "Mars" one day, whamming out on a POD. And, what was best, I wasn't bothering anyone, nor could I hear the refrains of "Enter Sandman" coming from the teenagers in the store. I got taught a lesson. On Craig's "Is your music any good" thread, Bruce Lash had put up a cover track of Cyndi Lauper's "Time After Time" kind of rocked up, and I LOVED the guitar sound. I asked Bruce the specs of what amp was used, and it was a MODELER!!!! AUGHGHGHGHGGHGHGH! (I'm not sure it was a POD, but something of the sort). "Larned me a lesson". "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trick fall Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Hey Lee, I've got two Marshalls and a Deluxe that I love to pieces as well as a couple of obscure tube amps from the late sixties early seventies and for some sounds I'd have to have one of those amps, but for others I prefer the Pod. One of my favorite sounds is to Use the black panel model as a preamp for the deluxe. Awesome distortion sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratman_dup1 Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 I just got one a couple of days ago, so far it sounds great but I haven't done any serious tracking with it yet so I'll hold off on reviews until I have. I do LOVE the fact that I can hook it up at 3 am and jam my ass off, with TONE, and not wake anyone up though. I hear where you're coming from Lee, but remember that most of us are mere mortals and don't have the engineering experience you do http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif. Even if I did I just don't have a good room to record in, more or less really good mics to record with. I LOVE the tone my tube amp puts out, but I just don't have the means to get that tone on tape. I can't say for sure but I'm highly thinking I'm not going to regret the investment in a POD, especially now with the $100.00 cash back deal. One side note though, it's kind of funny Lee, the one feature you find useful I really hate. The damn tuner SUCKS!!! I can never get my guitars in tune with the on board tuner, after just 2 days I've gotten to the point that I won't even bother using it. I just throw my pedal tuner in front of the pod and use that, it actually works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip McDonald Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Originally posted by Tedster: I wasn't bothering anyone, nor could I hear the refrains of "Enter Sandman" coming from the teenagers in the store. NEWS FLASH....... THIS JUST IN...... AP News/Reuters It has just been announced world wide that the intro bass lick to the new Tool song "Schizm" is to be played by all bass players under the age of 18 when ever they find themselves in a music store. Note that this supercedes the prior edict of doubling the guitar part in Metallica's "Enter Sandman". Teenagers finding themselves with an I.Q. marginally highter than the caloric content of water are exempt; all others are reminded of their duty to relentlessly play this phrase whenever a bass is plugged into an amplifier. In other news, scientists have discovered the use of Autotune causes a funny skin rash... ------------------ New and Improved Music Soon: http://www.mp3.com/chipmcdonald Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip McDonald Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Originally posted by Chip McDonald: NEWS FLASH....... THIS JUST IN...... AP News/Reuters It has just been announced world wide that the intro bass lick to the new Tool song "Schizm" is to be played by all bass players under the age of 18 when ever they find themselves in a music store. The pieces apparently do indeed fit, but the most important one is that one particular piece. Note that this supercedes the prior edict of doubling the guitar part in Metallica's "Enter Sandman". Teenagers finding themselves with an I.Q. marginally highter than the caloric content of water are exempt; all others are reminded of their duty to relentlessly play this phrase whenever a bass is plugged into an amplifier. In other news, scientists have discovered the use of Autotune causes a funny skin rash... ------------------ New and Improved Music Soon: http://www.mp3.com/chipmcdonald Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 I'm not using POD but I own Flexton II. Great sounding amp. I like it not for wrong reason (sounding "like" Fender amps and Marshalls and stuff) but for the right reason (sounding like 32 different amps)!!! The problem is that I have to record it with mic, but hey, I'm old fashioned. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif I'll sure get kiss from Lee for saying this. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif One day I'll buy POD Pro... Digital output rules.... If it sounds god, just play the darn thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt.Hepworth Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 I'm not a huge pod fan, but I like the idea. I picked up a J-station when they came out (yes, I much prefer the J-Station over the Pod) and I'll use it on less important parts in a song, or if I want a really slick lead sound. Don't get me wrong, I think they sound very good, but something is just missing. Matt No clever saying. No matter how good something is, there will always be someone blasting away on a forum somewhere about how much they hate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Originally posted by Chip McDonald: NEWS FLASH....... THIS JUST IN...... AP News/Reuters It has just been announced world wide that the intro bass lick to the new Tool song "Schizm" is to be played by all bass players under the age of 18 when ever they find themselves in a music store. Note that this supercedes the prior edict of doubling the guitar part in Metallica's "Enter Sandman". Teenagers finding themselves with an I.Q. marginally highter than the caloric content of water are exempt; all others are reminded of their duty to relentlessly play this phrase whenever a bass is plugged into an amplifier. In other news, scientists have discovered the use of Autotune causes a funny skin rash... ROFLMAO!!! "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Originally posted by Lee Flier: My take on the POD is that all those people who love it must have some really shitty amps. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif --Lee Oh my God that was funny..... Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsj Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 I love my POD... not because I have shitty amps (I don't), because its the only thing our sound guy doesn't ask me to turn down. This message has been edited by jsj@agtechnet.com on 08-31-2001 at 10:25 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not coaster MODERATOR Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 The VOX is coming. Nice 4 page glossy in new Guitarmag would indicate it's on it's way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Originally posted by Stratman: I hear where you're coming from Lee, but remember that most of us are mere mortals and don't have the engineering experience you do http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif. Even if I did I just don't have a good room to record in, more or less really good mics to record with. Funny thing - electric guitars are actually really easy to record, so far as I'm concerned. You can stick a cheap mic like an SM57 up against the grille and let it roll. If the room isn't great just put the amp 6" from a wall, facing the wall, and the mic in between the wall and the amp, and that pretty much takes the room out of the equation. Then you can add ambience later (reverb or delay or whatever) if needed. It may not sound like a Marshall stack cranked up to 11 with the best mics in the best room - but neither does the POD. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Well actually I think its Marshall modeling is more accurate than some of the others, but then, Marshalls don't have much complexity in the way they break up anyway, I've never been a fan of 'em, so shoot me. IMO its Vox modeling sucks, Fender is barely passable and they don't even attempt an Ampeg, which is my main amp, nor a Hiwatt, which is similar. I can't say for sure but I'm highly thinking I'm not going to regret the investment in a POD, especially now with the $100.00 cash back deal. Oh, I don't regret buying one and I doubt you will either. They're not expensive and definitely useful. I just make sure to keep it in its place. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif One side note though, it's kind of funny Lee, the one feature you find useful I really hate. The damn tuner SUCKS!!! I can never get my guitars in tune with the on board tuner, after just 2 days I've gotten to the point that I won't even bother using it. I just throw my pedal tuner in front of the pod and use that, it actually works. That IS funny! But actually I'm not surprised, cuz ANY time I've used a different tuner it always takes me a few days to get used to the way it works and in the meantime I think the tuner just sucks. I did go through that with the POD, and the only reason I didn't do what you did is because my dog had chewed up my Korg GT3...LOL. Maybe I just got used to its inconsistencies and maybe it just sucks. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif But I use it at rehearsals and in the studio for tuning, even though I have a new, non-chewed GT3 now which I use at gigs. --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 You haven't LIVED if you haven't tried TWO pods at once... or even a POD and mic'd amp blended together. I've been doing this for months, and I'm so addicted to the sound, that I CAN'T go back... BTW, the new processors in the new HC modeler and the Line6 Vetta, are probably going to find their way into rack or pedal things... guitplayer I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg music Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Originally posted by Lee Flier: My take on the POD is that all those people who love it must have some really shitty amps. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif I do have a POD, and it's a handy tool, I use it mainly for working up arrangements at 3 am when I don't want to wake anybody up. I might also use it for a "coloration" track if I need some weird effect that I can't get out of one of my amps. But as the primary "amp" for the main guitar track(s) on an actual recording or live gig? No way. I've tweaked it and gotten some cool sounds out of it but it ain't an amp. Then again, I'm your basic vintage tube amp freak and have a couple of amps that totally float my boat, that I can't imagine living without no matter how big a pain it is to lug them around. Sooo that's what I'm sticking with! --Lee Couldn't agree with ya more Lee. I too have a pod pro but I certainly wouldn't want to use it for anything more than a quick demo or for the odd jingle! As Lee put it so well if you don't have any real good amps, mics etc., then they are far better than a bad guitar sound, they are just not for me when it comes to the real thing. Sorry Simon ...remember there is absolutely no point in talking about someone behind their back unless they get to hear about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlChuck Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 About the tuners, which POD edition do you have -- the original, or version 2.0? My undesrtanding was that the tuning feature was one of the improvements in the newer version. I have the POD 2.0 and its tuner works very well for me. By the way, I love the sounds I get from my POD too. I lost any inclination to be a vintage tube amp freak when, about 25 years ago, I played with a guy once who sounded fantastic no matter what he played through. At the time he had a SG that was in the shop, so he borrowed a cruddy Gretsch solidbody that I could not even get in tune, and plugged it into a cruddy solid-state Kustom combo, and sounded fantastic. I have also seen Allan Holdsworth play through Marshalls, Boogies, and also a Pearse (a solid-state amp) and sound just as terrific every time. Then there's the Jeff Beck album, the soundtrack to Frankie's House he did a decade ago with Jed Leiber (son of Jerry Leiber from the great songwriting duo Leiber and Stoller, by the way), where the whole thing was done with a Digitech preamp/effects box, and it sounds great... It's just soooo much in the hands. -Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 I have a pod pro, and I find the sounds lack realism. Some of the sounds are usable, but none of them seem to be "quite right". As others have stated, it's nice for headphone practice and to put down demo ideas, but at this time I don't see myself using it that much when I record. I have vowed not to buy another modeling device until Lee Flier says they sound good. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Then I'll know that they are the real deal.. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif I'm not holding my breath http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif ------------------ KHAN (Always hopeful, yet discontent) www.floydtribute.hpwebhost.com So Many Drummers. So Little Time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg music Posted August 31, 2001 Share Posted August 31, 2001 Originally posted by KHAN: I have a pod pro, and I find the sounds lack realism. Some of the sounds are usable, but none of them seem to be "quite right". As others have stated, it's nice for headphone practice and to put down demo ideas, but at this time I don't see myself using it that much when I record. I have vowed not to buy another modeling device until Lee Flier says they sound good. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif Then I'll know that they are the real deal.. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif I'm not holding my breath http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif Amen to that bro!! ...remember there is absolutely no point in talking about someone behind their back unless they get to hear about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted September 1, 2001 Share Posted September 1, 2001 I can see the ad blurb now... Come and get 'em... the latest generation of modeling amps... You CAN'T tell the difference... Lee Flier Approved! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif They'll sell 'em like hotcakes!!! guitplayer This message has been edited by guitplayer on 08-31-2001 at 05:08 PM I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mile Posted September 1, 2001 Share Posted September 1, 2001 Damn!!! I didn't get kiss from Lee... If it sounds god, just play the darn thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chip McDonald Posted September 1, 2001 Share Posted September 1, 2001 I have some really nice amps. Unfortunately, I can't use them some times because of the vampire hours I keep, in which case the Pod Pro is invaluable. I usually re-record or re-inject the tracks, but I confess! Despite having vintage Marshalls, Gibsons, Fenders, oddball tube amps and a Boogie rig - I keep some Pod tracks. I now feel some how... dirty and sordid.... It's too convenient to ignore. I wish they'd do their cabinet emulations different, though. Some other things as well, but... "oh well".... ------------------ New and Improved Music Soon: http://www.mp3.com/chipmcdonald Guitar Lessons in Augusta Georgia: www.chipmcdonald.com Eccentric blog: https://chipmcdonaldblog.blogspot.com/ / "big ass windbag" - Bruce Swedien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg music Posted September 1, 2001 Share Posted September 1, 2001 Originally posted by Chip McDonald: I have some really nice amps. Unfortunately, I can't use them some times because of the vampire hours I keep, in which case the Pod Pro is invaluable. I usually re-record or re-inject the tracks, but I confess! Despite having vintage Marshalls, Gibsons, Fenders, oddball tube amps and a Boogie rig - I keep some Pod tracks. I now feel some how... dirty and sordid.... It's too convenient to ignore. I wish they'd do their cabinet emulations different, though. Some other things as well, but... "oh well".... Ah but Chip not everything is perfect in this sinful world http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif Simon ...remember there is absolutely no point in talking about someone behind their back unless they get to hear about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg music Posted September 1, 2001 Share Posted September 1, 2001 Originally posted by Chip McDonald: I have some really nice amps. Unfortunately, I can't use them some times because of the vampire hours I keep, in which case the Pod Pro is invaluable. I usually re-record or re-inject the tracks, but I confess! Despite having vintage Marshalls, Gibsons, Fenders, oddball tube amps and a Boogie rig - I keep some Pod tracks. I now feel some how... dirty and sordid.... It's too convenient to ignore. I wish they'd do their cabinet emulations different, though. Some other things as well, but... "oh well".... Ah but Chip not everything is perfect in this sinful world http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/wink.gif Simon ...remember there is absolutely no point in talking about someone behind their back unless they get to hear about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratman_dup1 Posted September 3, 2001 Share Posted September 3, 2001 Originally posted by Lee "Funny thing - electric guitars are actually really easy to record, so far as I'm concerned. You can stick a cheap mic like an SM57 up against the grille and let it roll. If the room isn't great just put the amp 6" from a wall, facing the wall, and the mic in between the wall and the amp, and that pretty much takes the room out of the equation. Then you can add ambience later (reverb or delay or whatever) if needed." Hmmmmmm, hadn't thought about trying that, thanks for the tip Lee http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gifhttp://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I LOVE these forums, free recording tips from industry pro's, what could be better!! Actually, I don't have a 57 http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/eek.gif all I've got for mics are a couple of Rode NT3's and a JBL pro. The NT3's are great mics for the money but I've never been able to get a good amp tone to tape with them, always sounds kinda thin to me. They are really good for acoustic and vocals though. The JBL is a good live mic but I've never had much luck recording with it. Guess it's time to invest in a 57, seems EVERYONE uses these to record electric guitar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted September 3, 2001 Share Posted September 3, 2001 Strat, yeah, everybody needs a 57. You can use one for almost anything in a pinch. Musician's Friend has 'em on sale now for $79.99, and sometimes you can find them used even cheaper. It doesn't surprise me that you're not getting a good electric guitar sound out of an NT3 - most condensers are too sensitive to withstand the sound pressure levels of a cranked up amp. Plus, a dynamic mic like a 57 has just the right frequency range to pick up the range of an electric guitar. The really ballsy frequencies coming out of an amp are pretty much all in the midrange, and if you use a full range condenser like you'd want to have on vocals or acoustic, it will indeed sound too thin, unless you have a really high dollar condenser. I just about always use a dynamic mic on an amp if it's my only mic - I might additionally use a condenser as a room mic and combine the signals from both mics, IF the room sounds good. Once you've got your 57, also experiment with mic placement. Most multi-speaker cabinets have one speaker that sounds better than the other(s), so placing the mic against that particular speaker would be the thing to do. Also some speakers sound better with the mic pointed at the center of the cone while others like it closer to the edge (also it depends what kind of sound you want, pointing it closer to the center tends to give a rounder bassier sound, while the edge gives a brighter sound). And LOL guys I didn't realize that I could make some big bucks as an endorsee for a modeler... IF anybody ever made one that I could endorse! http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif One last tip for those who do use a POD... try putting a preamp in front of it, that fattens it up a lot. I use the JoeMeek VC3Q for this purpose, but any mic pre with a high Z input will do. --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 4, 2001 Share Posted September 4, 2001 I love my POD for tracking in my home studio. With a new baby wailing on an amp late at night is not an option. However I have to agree that it is not as good as some of the better tube amps on the market. I used the POD live in the last band I was in because I had to cop many styles and sounds and the POD was the least hassle for accomplishing that task. In my new band, however, I am looking at getting a Fender Tube amp for the live work. (Now I am using a smaller PA and need the stage volume). Plus I like the interaction of the amp with the guitar. When the two are working well together the sound is phenomenal. Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strat0124 Posted September 4, 2001 Share Posted September 4, 2001 For about 30 to 40 bucks you can build a doghouse for a combo that will solve late night tracking and other problems. Also I heard some of you mention to use two PODs....doesn't it have stereo outs? I also will track with a POD whenever the situation requires it, and some have been keepers. I like the idea of using real amp tracks and POD tracks, gives alot of sonic room. My fave preset is the volume swell, but I use POD and a Sansamp on other things as well...drums, vocals, bass, etc. Just a tool...not a fix all or replacement for the real thing. I don't like POD through a guitar amp at all, at least with mine. Down like a dollar comin up against a yen, doin pretty good for the shape I'm in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Submersible Posted September 4, 2001 Share Posted September 4, 2001 I was less than thrilled with the Pod until I installed the Sound Diver software and started messing around with some of hidden parameters. I haven't replaced my Dr. Z and vintage Fenders with it (or even my cheap Blues Jr.), but I dig having the Pod to whip up instant textures for overdubs. Over the weekend, I tried running the Pod through a pair of Buzz Audio's new MIA direct boxes. It's not strictly necessary (the Pod puts out plenty of output to the 888), but using the direct box seemed to add some sparkle and clarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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