not coaster MODERATOR Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 Marty McFly - Johnny B Goode "You may not like it but your children will" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 Amen! "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greed2000 Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 Yeah...Marty's the man. Ever since seeing that flick, I've been trying to find any of his material with no luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 I've been trying to find one of those 72" speakers, and a cab big enough to mount one in... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emile Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 No shit man, I totally recall after seing that on TV, being in the living room with my first electric guitar, 16 years old and 15 watts of cranked shitty amp, trying to emulate that music! I think that might just have been THE turning point in my beginnings. Wow! I had completely forgotten about that! Thanks for the souvenir! Emile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bvdd Posted July 25, 2001 Share Posted July 25, 2001 Ever notice that everybody has played JBGoode, but nobody plays it correctly? Marty Mcfly was the first I saw do it the real way .. before he went nuts at the end that is. I think Chuck B's stuff in general is very hard to copy exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not coaster MODERATOR Posted July 26, 2001 Author Share Posted July 26, 2001 Wow, and just try to burn it up on stage like that and save your family at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 Yeah I agree bvdd, it's hard for people to do Chuck Berry right. For me, being a Keith Richards freak helped. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Cracks me up in that movie "Hail Hail Rock'n'Roll" when Chuck starts taking Keith to task telling him he's not doing the double bends correctly on "Carol"... LOL... Keith was FUMING but he didn't say a word... And yeah, Marty's solo ruled! Who actually did that, anybody know? --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 Originally posted by Lee Flier: Cracks me up in that movie "Hail Hail Rock'n'Roll" when Chuck starts taking Keith to task telling him he's not doing the double bends correctly on "Carol"... LOL... Keith was FUMING but he didn't say a word... --Lee Yeah, Berry came across as a real asshole in that one. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrg music Posted July 26, 2001 Share Posted July 26, 2001 My 0.2cents Gary Moore .... Still in love with you Be good Simon ...remember there is absolutely no point in talking about someone behind their back unless they get to hear about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynx Posted July 27, 2001 Share Posted July 27, 2001 Originally posted by Tedster: Yeah, Berry came across as a real asshole in that one. Ahem...I beg to differ.....My impression of that scene (in what is my favorite film about Berry) was of the master cuffing the upstart students ears. Richards premise for the film was more or less the implied idea that he was doing Berry a favor by using his influence to give Berry "recognition", which sounds nice unless you're Chuck. When viewed from his perspective it's quite insulting to be condescended to by one of your juniors who owes his success chiefly to doing badly what YOU became famous for, while you had to sit on the sidelines. I saw Berry open for the Stones in Chicago in '69.He rarely did large gigs like that at that time and for a long time before and thereafter. The bottom line being: He was right. Richards (and probably most of the rest of us) WAS"NT doing it right, which Berry makes clear as soon as he plays it. It was that scene, in addition to the others that made me realize that Berry's guitar style was not "simple" stuff that "anyone could do" He is a very precise (when he wants to be) and talented player This is also the film where he states"there is nothing new under the sun" and acknowledges that he lifted much of the style that he is known for from T-Bone Walker (including the axe behind the head, duckwalk,etc.) Chuck has had his share of difficulties, racial and otherwise, and can be an asshole at times, with good reason. Sorry to be so verbose, it's just that the film was such an eye opener for me as far as Richards playing is concerned. I like him but he ain't no Chuck.After that he wasn't a god to me anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted July 27, 2001 Share Posted July 27, 2001 I don't know that there's ever a good reason to be an asshole...if you're being "an asshole" in response to someone else's assholiness...then you're not an asshole, the other guy is. Yeah...perhaps Richards was playing it wrong. Maybe Berry didn't get the recognition he deserved. There's still a right and a wrong way to deal with people. If Richards was too "blown to the bone" to play anything correctly (which may have been the case), then that's another matter. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted July 27, 2001 Share Posted July 27, 2001 Yeah, I agree, Ted. I think Keith has always been genuinely bummed that his heroes never received as much recognition as he did, primarily due to their being black. So over the years he's tried to do whatever he can to give them more exposure to mainstream audiences. If they thought it was that "condescending" they didn't have to accept the gigs. Most of the Stones' other heroes - Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf, et al - were very HAPPY that a bunch of white boys were playing their music and putting it in front of a larger audience, and enjoyed appearing on stage and film with them. Also, Keith swallowed Chuck's "master slapping the student" routine very gracefully in the movie. He didn't throw a tantrum or say that he was such a big rock star that no one should tell him what to do. As for whether he really was playing "Carol" correctly... well, the Stones recorded their own version of the song and it was different from the way Chuck plays it (duh! it's called "interpretation"!), and Keith was playing it more like that. No, it's not "easy" to play like Berry, but Keith CAN. That he doesn't play Berry's riffs note for note on a Berry tune doesn't mean he's "too out of it" to play it "correctly". Sheeesh. One other note worth mentioning: despite the fact that Berry is his hero and despite the fact that not much notice is being paid to this issue, Keith has recently been helping Berry's legendary piano player Johnnie Johnson to sue Berry for the co-writing credit he obviously deserves on many of Berry's hits. I think we all know Keith ain't God, and anybody who's really listened to Berry knows that he really is a fabulous talent both as a guitarist and a songwriter, and is not so easily copied as most guitarists think he is. But I still think the guy's a royal asshole, and I think the comments about Keith were uncalled for. --Lee This message has been edited by Lee Flier on 07-27-2001 at 11:09 AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynx Posted August 1, 2001 Share Posted August 1, 2001 Tedster and Lee, Lee, I know, from previous posts is a hard core Richards fan , so I would expect no less. The twist is that I LOVE the way the Stones play Berry, but Berry is about the only black rock'n'roller or bluesman that I wasn't introduced to through renditions by English blues/rock groups. So I was kind of playing devils advocate there for Chuck even though my first reaction was ...uh... asshole. Even though it was the British Invasion that really influenced me the most, Chuck Berry was the first real lead guitarist that I was ever exposed to (on TV in the 50's) and the one who hooked me. I saw him up close and personal(literally front row) in a small club in Madison, Wisconsin a few years after that Stones gig. He walked in and played with the house band impromptu and turned in a magnificent set on the fly. As we were leaving at closing time we saw Chuck on the street loading his amp and guitar(red 335) into a big '60's Cadillac. That's how he was touring in those days. The great Chuck Berry and he didn't even have a roadie. It was a kind of a sad, forlorn and yet noble scenario. We approached him to express our appreciation and he was a perfect gentleman. I could tell you some horror stories about Chuck, too, but I thought I would just share that little personal vignette with you. The lynx will now curl up safely in his flame suit and attempt a catnap......... P.S. For those not aware-Chuck was recently honored at Lincoln Center in Washington by former Pres. Clinton and a load of celebrities, broadcast nationwide on Public Televison..........a bit much for a guitar player I suppose...but he worked for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted August 1, 2001 Share Posted August 1, 2001 Funny thing, I hear that's how Berry has always toured. He rarely uses his own band, but uses a house band from wherever the gig is. Funny story... I sat in with a band at Anchorage's "Fly By Night" Club. The bandleader, a guy who goes by the name of "Mr. Whitekeys" told a story of how Chuck did a show with them one time. Whitekeys said, "Everyone plays Johnny B. Goode in A. Everyone but Chuck Berry, that is. He plays it in Bb. So, he kicks it off in Bb, the band comes in in A. OOPS...take 2..."... Ah well... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfjunkie Posted August 2, 2001 Share Posted August 2, 2001 Lee Flyer asked: Marty's solo ruled! Who actually did that, anybody know? LA session guitarist Tim May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pro Jules Posted August 2, 2001 Share Posted August 2, 2001 Mine would be, the solo on "sympathy for the devil" but WHO played it? Jimmy Page, but poorly to 'pretend it was a Stone" Or Keith? 'Trying' to be Jimi page? It is very uncharacteristic I feel. But urgent and "important in time" I feel. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/smile.gif Jules This message has been edited by Julian standen on 08-02-2001 at 01:50 AM Jules Producer Julian Standen London, UK, Come hang here! http://www.gearslutz.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted August 2, 2001 Share Posted August 2, 2001 Ah yes, the old "who REALLY played the Sympathy for the Devil solo" debate... (and yes, Jules, it's my favorite ever, too) Most everybody I know who originally said they thought it was Jimmy Page, based their opinion on two things: 1) as you say, it kinda SOUNDS more like Jimmy Page than it sounds like typical Keith Richards, and 2) Jagger says "Get down, Jimmy!" just before the solo. Well, maybe. We'll probably never know. But after years of careful analysis, I'd have to say it's Keith. The "Get down, Jimmy" thing is a no-brainer - that was more than likely producer Jimmy Miller, who was more than likely playing percussion on the track. A film exists which follows the band through most of the tracking of that song, and it certainly appears that the lead vocal was laid down before the guitar solo was (although they do not show the tracking of the solo itself, so no definitive answer there). So unless they had planned for Page to play the solo all along, I don't think Jagger was referring to him. Besides, why would they advertise in the song that Page was playing and then not credit him on the album? Dave Mason is credited with some guest guitar on the Beggars Banquet album - you'd think they would have mentioned it, or that if they'd intended to keep it a secret, Jagger wouldn't have said "Get down, Jimmy"! Now as for the "it's uncharacteristic for Keith" point: that is true. But if you will notice, Keith did quite a LOT of stuff during that period which was different from what later came to be associated with him. He had a new guitar rig - a Les Paul Black Beauty Custom and a slew of Ampeg amps - and he seemed to be having a great time with all that sustain! You can hear similar tones all over Beggars Banquet - like "Stray Cat Blues" instantly comes to mind. Brian Jones was obviously incapable of playing much, so Keith was stretching out a lot and layering different guitar sounds. He experimented with standard single-note leads a lot more than he had ever done before or has done since. You can also see that he does this a bit in the "Rock'n'Roll Circus" film from the same period. By the following year, when Brian Jones was replaced by Mick Taylor, it was no longer really necessary for Keith to play like that because they had another guitarist who was better at it than he was. So he began to focus more on the Telecaster/open G-tuned sound that has come to be associated with him since then. However, a good bit of the stuff he played in 67 thru 69, with that Les Paul, sounds much different from anything one normally thinks of as Keith Richards. And in that context, the "Sympathy" solo fits in. But then that is what I've always liked about Keith - he very much always saw the Stones as a two-guitar band and was always into doing things that would complement the other guitarist, so the parts meshed together well. So when he was left to overdub all the parts himself, as he pretty much was on Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed (with the exception of the known parts that were done by guests Dave Mason and Ry Cooder), then he had to come up with different kinds of parts to complement himself. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif I know, I'm sick. I'm obsessed. I'm a fanatic. AND PROUD OF IT!! LOL... --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfjunkie Posted August 2, 2001 Share Posted August 2, 2001 dang, Lee! great info. you (and some other posts here) know your stones. that's a great movie (at least the studio parts of it). wonder if they'll put out a dvd with extra footage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted August 2, 2001 Share Posted August 2, 2001 (British BBC documentary narrator voice): That was, of course, a commentary from our resident Stonesologist, Dr. Lee Flier. "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Flier Posted August 2, 2001 Share Posted August 2, 2001 Originally posted by wager47: that's a great movie (at least the studio parts of it). Yeah, it's priceless. No comment on the other stuff in the movie. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif wonder if they'll put out a dvd with extra footage? You gotta wonder if anybody even still knows where any extra footage is! LOL... Godard was pretty out of it obviously! But I sure would love to see it if it exists. And I still lust after a white puffy-sleeved shirt like the one Keith is wearing in that movie. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif --Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted August 2, 2001 Share Posted August 2, 2001 And here I thought from the title that this thread was about the best geetar solo ever. Didn't know it was only about Chuck Berry! I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfjunkie Posted August 2, 2001 Share Posted August 2, 2001 coyote said: And here I thought from the title that this thread was about the best geetar solo ever. Didn't know it was only about Chuck Berry! not what i expected from the thread topic either, but great reading. no one will mind if you mention your favorite solo, even between Hail, Hail, Rock & Roll! talk. i like "...brick in the wall pt2" and "back in black", but django reinhardt's "nuages" is probably my favorite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyote Posted August 6, 2001 Share Posted August 6, 2001 I make a diff between technical capacity and visceral impact. Presuming that there are many technical wizards who have laid out some awesome technical solos, I'll state my vote for the recorded solo w/ the most visceral impact - the one which hit me in the gut the hardest.... David Gilmour's slide solo on "Shine On You Crazy Diamond pt.7". Followed very closely (almost a tie in fact) by Ritchie Blackmore's live cut of "Highway Star" from Made in Japan. Originally posted by wager47: no one will mind if you mention your favorite solo, even between Hail, Hail, Rock & Roll! talk. i like "...brick in the wall pt2" and "back in black", but django reinhardt's "nuages" is probably my favorite. I used to think I was Libertarian. Until I saw their platform; now I know I'm no more Libertarian than I am RepubliCrat or neoCON or Liberal or Socialist. This ain't no track meet; this is football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sign Posted August 7, 2001 Share Posted August 7, 2001 The guitar solo in 'Visionary mountains' on the "Bombers and Nightingales' CD by Manfred Mann. The solo in 'comfortably numb' by Pink Floyd (The Wall). Peace. The alchemy of the masters moving molecules of air, we capture by moving particles of iron, so that the poetry of the ancients will echo into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superG Posted September 7, 2001 Share Posted September 7, 2001 sunshine of your love ain't too bad!How about "jessica" -dickey betts? Smoke on the water? let's up the ante G Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted September 7, 2001 Share Posted September 7, 2001 Originally posted by superG: sunshine of your love ain't too bad!How about "jessica" -dickey betts? Smoke on the water? let's up the ante G Funny you should mention "Jessica"...I just put that one on the other thread...the way it comes orgasmically in from Leavell's piano solo is a masterpiece... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sysexguy Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 My 0.2cents Gary Moore .... Still in love with you Be good Simon Yep! Yep! I assume we're talking about the live version on live life? Andy Another great live solo is the intro to Sweet Jane. That was the team who also played in the Rose and on Alice Cooper's Nightmare album... I forget their names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dondottcomm Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 Steve Hunter and Dick Wagoner...Great stuff Don What? you mean I can take this block of fine swiss and make a song??...COOL! Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael saulnier Posted September 8, 2001 Share Posted September 8, 2001 The greatest solo... Neil Young... Cinnamon Girl. http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/biggrin.gif guitplayer I'm still "guitplayer"! Check out my music if you like... http://www.michaelsaulnier.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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