Jazz+ Posted May 11, 2006 Share Posted May 11, 2006 Anybody using the Roland SRX-11 live? I have read a few reviews that said the "Superb Grand" 001 sounds muffled at the lower velocity levels and then abruptly becomes too bright when the samples switch to higher velocity levels. I also read that it sounds too "mid-rangey" and that the high notes are dampened, is that a big problem? What module have you tried it with? I also read some reviews that said thsee Roland demos of the SRX-11 sound much better than what you end up with: http://www.roland.com/demos/en/SRX_IT/index.html Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waynester Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hi Jazz im using it Live i dont rate it at all, it has a boxy sound quality, i use the piano/strings combination quite a bit... im not impressed, am about to order William Coakleys Piano for my Fantom X8 will probably stick my SRX-11 on Ebay soon Roland Fantom X8 (SRX-04, SRX-07, SRX-11, SRX-12) - Yamaha Motif ES7 - Kawai MP11 - Hammond XK-1C - Korg TR Rack - Korg SG Rack - Quiklok Z72 - Quiklok SL930 - Electrovoice SXA360's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted May 12, 2006 Author Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hi Wayne If I remember correctly, you are using a pair of EV SXa360 speakers. I too am using the SXa360 speakers, so your opinion is important to me. I am thinking of buying the SRX-11. Is it good live for solo piano ballads. Is it clear enough for cutting thru a mix? J+ Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziquo Posted May 12, 2006 Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hey Jazz+, check your PM ziquo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 Hey Wayne, Is the Coakley an improvement over the SRX-11? Do you like a bright rock piano type of sound? What rompler piano sound do you like? J+ Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManInTheBox Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 Originally posted by Wayne On Keys: Hi Jazz im using it Live i dont rate it at all, it has a boxy sound quality, i use the piano/strings combination quite a bit... im not impressed, am about to order William Coakleys Piano for my Fantom X8 will probably stick my SRX-11 on Ebay soon So the piano in the Fantom itself isn't all that eh?? Have you been to fantomized, and tried Nathan Shelton's piano patches using the stock samples?? I've got a FantomS, and while "So True" does it for me 9 times out of 10, I have thought to get either the SRX-11, or the William Coakley "Perfect Piano" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergievsky Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 I ended up selling my FantomXR I was so disappointed with the SRX11. I'm gonna try out Ivory live this weekend since I finally got it working great on my PC laptop. Raul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted June 1, 2006 Author Share Posted June 1, 2006 Raul, What didn't you like about the SRX-11? Did you play it live, did you EQ it? Are you going to play Ivory live this weekend? Keep me posted, thanks. J+ Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scramble Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 How does the SRX-11 compare to the SRX02? I have the latter in my 5080, and don't think much of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Originally posted by scramble: How does the SRX-11 compare to the SRX02? I have the latter in my 5080, and don't think much of it. I had the SRX-02 and sold it. The notes were cut off too short and it drove me crazy. I have the RD-700SX and it is a major improvement. Of course you are going to have some people who are not happy with the SRX-11 or any 64 meg piano and are quick to replace it with an 8000 meg sample set on computer, but I don't know that such an improvement is necessary for life use. But, I remember people complaning about the Yamaha portable grands 20 years ago because they did not sound like the expensive grands in the studio. Get what makes you happy, and remember that NO single product makes everyone happy. Robert This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergievsky Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 It wasn't that the SRX11 was bad, it was good, better after eqing it. But it just didn't offer a big enough improvement over my old Triton piano expansion (now an Extreme). I really wanted that experience of playing Ivory in the studio, but in a live setting. I really hate that unnatural midrange that I hear from a lot of these sampled pianos, which you can sorta fix with eq but only to a point. Plus when you start playing chords on the lower piano range Ivory doesn't sound like mush. But of course a lot of these subtleties are probably lost anyway with the wedge monitors, but it still might be enough of an improvent to make it worth dragging a laptop on stage. Sorry, I might be getting off topic here with ivory. Raul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted June 2, 2006 Author Share Posted June 2, 2006 Raul, What style are you playing? Are you playing solo or with a loud band? What speakers do you use? Do you own Ivory? Thanks Jazz+ Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergievsky Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Sorry for the late response jazz, just got back from a couple of long bus rides and a really long flight. I'm an MD for an American Idol-type show in my country, so i have to play a lot of pop songs with a 5pc band. The host of that show is, I suppose, is kind of our Mariah Carey, and it is in that context that I tried out Ivory. I was able to squeeze it in on our last two shows of our tour- an outdoor venue at the Pala casino in San Diego and an indoor at the Cox arena in Vegas. I was monitoring off wedges...EAW I think it was. Ivory sounded good, but as expected, on both venues the wedges just didn't translate that wonderful experience of playing it in the studio, or even through headphones. It held up ok when the band was playing loud, but I did appreciate it more when the songs had the piano only moments. I only got to use the Yamaha sample though. I tried to switch to Steinway but the vst host I was using, Brainspawn's Forte, kept crashing when I did. I didn't have time to mess with the programs and troubleshoot so I just left it on the Yamaha. The good news is I had absolutely no hiccup with the program throughout the almost 2 1/2 hr show. Both times it played great with no latency. (I did buy a 10k rpm eSATA, so that was probably why) But again...I dunno. I'm just not sure it offers a big enough improvement to, say a 700sx, to warrant giving up that ability to be spontaneous and change patches at will. I'm gonna give it a another shot next week when we start taping for the show again. The difference might be more obvious when the piano becomes part of the telecast. I'll also have to dig in and figure out how I can get more flexibility with using softsynths live. Raul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burningbusch Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Originally posted by Sergievsky: But again...I dunno. I'm just not sure it offers a big enough improvement to, say a 700sx, to warrant giving up that ability to be spontaneous and change patches at will. I reached a very similar conclusion. I miss the dynamic range of Ivory but little else. And I am a big fan of soft synths in general. Busch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 I bought a Piano card for my JV 2080 years ago. Is that the same card? If it is, save your money and don't buy it. I initially bought that card for a 'better' piano sound. I was disappointed. No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 Dave, your not very up to date on digital piano sounds. Your talking about a ten year old piano card that was less than 8 MB of totally different crappy piano samples. The SRX-11 piano is 64 MB and every key was sampled at 4 layers. It ebuted one year ago. It's the same samples as in the current RD-700SX "Superior Grand." Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Horne Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Originally posted by Jazz+: Dave, your not very up to date on digital piano sounds. Your talking about a ten year old piano card that was less than 8 MB of totally different crappy piano samples. The SRX-11 piano is 64 MB and every key was sampled at 4 layers. It ebuted one year ago. It's the same samples as in the current RD-700SX "Superior Grand." Jazz+, thanks for setting me straight. Although it's academic now since I sold that JV2080, could I have used that SRX-11 card in it? No guitarists were harmed during the making of this message. In general, harmonic complexity is inversely proportional to the ratio between chording and non-chording instruments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Originally posted by Dave Horne: ..., could I have used that SRX-11 card in it? No. Roland changed their cards for newer machines from the JV series to SRX series. The JV series had 8 meg of samples while the SRX has 64. This is also Rolands second attempt at an SRX piano ROM. The second effort is much better the SRX-02 was the first expansion I bought for my XP-5080 and I was also disapointed in that card. Notes seemed to cut off too quick and more than one piano was shoved into the 64 meg of memory. The SRX-11 has onle one sample set and it seems to be much better. Robert This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RABid Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I'm slow this morning. Two messages posted in the time it too me to compose one. This post edited for speling. My Sweetwater Gear Exchange Page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazz+ Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 Thanks Rabid, Do you own the SRX-11 ? J+ Harry Likas was the Technical Editor of Mark Levine's "The Jazz Theory Book" and helped develop "The Jazz Piano Book." Find 700 of Harry’s piano arrangements of standards for educational purposes and jazz piano tutorials at www.Patreon.com/HarryLikas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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