Aldena Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 I'm considering getting a couple new cabs that I can either stack, or place stage left and right. A lot of the recommendations here is usually boutique stuff, and I'm sure they sound great, but being on a budget, I must look elsewhere. I have not heard anyone mention Avatar lately. Have they fallen out of favor around here? I'm looking at the B212 neo, 8 ohms. Any opinions on these? I can get 2 of these for $682 delivered to my front door. At 56 lbs each, that's not too heavy either, but since I can't try them first, I'm a little hesitant. What do think about placing cabs on both sides of the stage, as opposed to traditionally stacking them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Originally posted by Aldena: What do think about placing cabs on both sides of the stage, as opposed to traditionally stacking them?Really bad idea for bass. Will cause all sorts of phase cancellations and reinforcements around the room, as the signal from the two cabs collides and adds or subtracts depending on the phase. This holds true for all bass cabs including PA subwoofers which should always be grouped together or separated by a huge distance (like either side of a stadium size stage). Alex Barefaced Ltd - ultra lightweight, high ouput, toneful bass cabs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred TBP Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Alex is right as rain, and my experiences concur. Jeff Berlin uses two 15" combos on tour but they're not more than a foot apart from each other, and he uses it primarily for his discrete stereo chorus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcbn Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Avatar hasn't fallen out of favor here, we just haven't had anyone talking about them lately. Get the cabs and let us know what you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warlock1016 Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 I still love my Avatars, even if I am selling off the 4x10 (I REALLY don't need that much speaker, with a competent soundman.) The 2x10 MORE than gets the job done. Sounds great with my Eden combo, and also with my SWR 8004 head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 If you do get the B212 neo, make sure the speakers are Deltalite II not the original Deltalite which really struggles to produce bass. Four 12" speakers is a hell of a lot though - maybe wiser to spend a similar amount on a better single 2x12"? Alex Barefaced Ltd - ultra lightweight, high ouput, toneful bass cabs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldena Posted August 21, 2006 Author Share Posted August 21, 2006 That's interesting about the phase problems. I did not know that. So if I'm not going to separate them, 4 12's is probably too much. That leaves me with the same question. 4 or 8 ohms? If I get a 4 ohm, I can't use it with any other cabs. If I get a 8 ohm, I'll have to use it with another cab, or my amp's only putting out 175 watts. Will that be enough? I don't have an 8 ohm cab to test it, so 175 watts might be ok. It looks like they are the Deltalite, so I just may be waiting a little longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexclaber Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 How loud is your band? Are you realistically likely to need more than one 2x12" cab? If not, then get the 4 ohm cab. If you upgrade your amp in the future (which is fairly likely if you're in loud situations as good powerful amps are getting a lot cheaper) then again you'll get more power into 4 ohms and many newer amps will run down to 2 ohms so you can still add extra cabs. Alex Barefaced Ltd - ultra lightweight, high ouput, toneful bass cabs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldena Posted August 21, 2006 Author Share Posted August 21, 2006 I don't think we're a loud band, as I use the 1x12 (4 ohm) combo at all rehersals, and it's plenty. A 2x12 cab could easily handle stand alone duty, just as a 4x10 would, no? Back to that phase cancellation issue... good idea or not: Stick with the 1x12 and DI into the PA for extra support? Or will the same potential for problems exist? The PA is a Yamaha emx5000 with Yamaha speakers(15's + tweeter). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornbread_medhotmail.com Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 I have a b2x12, non-neo and it's plenty loud for 2 guitarists and a loud drummer. In fact, they keep telling me to turn down. They tend to be power hungry, but I run mine at 450 watts with the power amp output about 2:00, 2:30. They will handle a lot of juice, though. Get one of them and don't look back. I got the 4 ohm. If I ever need to add another cab, I have the other side of my power amp to run it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basshappi Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Ok I have some questions about these 2x12 NEO cabs. I have only used a 2x12 guitar cab as the 'treble' cab in a bi-amped bass rig once in my entire career. Therefore I have no real experience with using 12" for bass. I have been playing through my Peavey 4x10TX for a while now and really like the sound. But there have been times that I feel that it is missing a bit of the lowend fullness that I have been used to hearing from 15" and 18" speakers. I have been toying with the idea of replacing the 18" in my Peavey cab and adding that. However, that cab wieghs a damn ton! What I am trying to achieve is a cab that will bolster the lowend with sonic characteristics of a 15" and yet be able to handle the job adequately as a stand alone cab. I have also been getting rather whiney about the weight of the 4x10. I have to do a kinda gymnast thing to get it into the backseat of my VW and, at 85lbs, that is not much fun at 2:00am. The 2x12 NEO is 55lbs that sounds pretty good. So here is my IDEA My 4x10 is 8ohms. Get the 2x12 NEO at 8ohms. Use the 2x12 for my regular gigs as it is more back friendly. I can also use it in conjunction with the 4x10 for larger and outdoor gigs. They are 'on sale' right now for $299. and I can't even find a used 15" for that. Comments, suggestions? Nothing is as it seems but everything is exactly what it is - B. Banzai Life is what happens while you are busy playing in bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Bear Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 The best 4X10 neo I ever tried was an EBS, I got to use at a rehearsal with 2 guitars using Mesa Rectifiers. It was slammin'. I do still think about getting an Avatar 2X12 myself. I got to try a 2X10 where I was sharing a rig with someone and was really pleased. Avatar is 1/3 the price of the EBS not to mention. Mike Bear Artisan-Vocals/Bass Instructor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke73 Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Originally posted by Aldena: I'm looking at the B212 neo, 8 ohms. Any opinions on these? I can get 2 of these for $682 delivered to my front door. Wow! To get two Low B2 cabinets here in Australia is $2500AUD! (around $1947US). I wish we could get good cabs so cheap here! http://www.myspace.com/twoshortrocks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getz out Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 I had an old B212 (non-neo, non-upgraded crossover). You do get what you pay for to a certain degree. Do not expect the Avatar to be equivalent to a cabinet that cost four-times as much, but it held its own. It was plenty loud and servicable. I sold it because I did not love it and did not need it. I do not know how helpful this information is regarding the newer cabinets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerk Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Originally posted by Basshappi: They are 'on sale' right now for $299. and I can't even find a used 15" for that. Basshappi, Don't know if this would interest you but you can check it out. From the clearance page at zzounds music. One is $300, one is $210. Bigger one says 44Lbs, couldn't find weight on the compact one, but it must be less. http://www.zzounds.com/item--ASDMAG115T http://www.zzounds.com/item--ASDABMMINI15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wraub Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 As a long time Avatar owner, I'd say they are definitely worth checking out. Dave is a really nice guy and the service from them has been great. Plus, the cab sounds really good. I have the SB112 with the upgraded crossover. Lovin' it. Peace, wraub I'm a lot more like I am now than I was when I got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy from Motown Posted January 4, 2007 Share Posted January 4, 2007 Wow I swear I answered this post yesterday. I've been using the Avatar neo410 for the last year with great results. No problems at all, it's low and loud. I've played half a dozen outdoor jobs where I really cranked the cab with nothing but good results. I actually carried it up on a stage where there was already an SWR Goliath, cause I perferred the Avatar's tone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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