donblanco Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 I guess I knew I would hit this wall eventually. So I want to play something with my left hand (say, an organ sound from Galileo) and something else in my right hand (brass or strings, app not yet known). Ive read a lot of threads about Audiobus and AUM but those apps almost seem like overkill. Maybe Im missing something? I just need to split things out. Also, Ill need to do this for 95% of the songs on my current set list. What is the easiest (or best) way to handle this? New profile: https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/users/76464/dixonge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenner13 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Run the apps in stand-alone on two different MIDI channels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donblanco Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 That works if: 1 - I can use split-screen w/ an app (SampleTank doesnt do this, apparently) 2 - Im at home For upcoming rehearsals/live gigs, I will need to switch quickly to new patches/splits. New profile: https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/users/76464/dixonge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brenner13 Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Bismark bs-16i is a pretty cool multi-timbral Rompler-style app with decent sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveMcM Posted February 15, 2018 Share Posted February 15, 2018 Possible one of these apps would help: iMIDI Patchbay MIDI Bridge I have used MIDI Bridge and it will accomplish what you are looking to do. Although I'm not sure what support is like since it hasn't been updated since 2014. This Just In- It looks like MIDI Bridge has an offspring (bigger and better maybe?) MIDIFire Wm. David McMahan I Play, Therefore I Am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donblanco Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 Bismark bs-16i is a pretty cool multi-timbral Rompler-style app with decent sounds. Finally downloaded that app - lots of really nice sounds out there! New profile: https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/users/76464/dixonge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donblanco Posted February 15, 2018 Author Share Posted February 15, 2018 This Just In- It looks like MIDI Bridge has an offspring (bigger and better maybe?) MIDIFire Looks interesting - thanks! New profile: https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/users/76464/dixonge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob_sd Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Either AUM or audiobus are certainly not overkill. I personally use AUM for layering and splitting all the time. Midi configuration, setting keyboard range, etc is childs play. As a bonus, if your sound generation apps support the audio unit standard, then AUM can also save the patch settings within each app. Highly recommended. Large user base, frequent updates, active forum community. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DulceLabs.com Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Hi Don -- welcome to the Keyboard Corner! What's your set-up like (controller keyboard, iPad dock/interface (if any). Just curious about these iOS live set-ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donblanco Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 Hi Don -- welcome to the Keyboard Corner! What's your set-up like (controller keyboard, iPad dock/interface (if any). Just curious about these iOS live set-ups. Keeping it simple so far. Samson Carbon 49 controller. It has a slot for the iPad. It remains to be seen if that works in a live setting. Cheap stand and basic foot pedal. New-ish iPad (5th generation). In-between the older iPad Air and the newer Pro models. Apple lightning-to-USB3 adapter which allows powering of iPad *and* keyboard (via USB). So far this all works at my desk with no noticeable latency, unlike my Win10 laptop. Just now beginning to piece together apps for sound/midi etc. New profile: https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/users/76464/dixonge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyBluesKeys Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I have a Samson Carbon 49 that I use for a very lightweight package with an iPad. Have an iPad 2 and a Mini 2 - the slot didn't work all that well for me. I mostly use the Mini 2, the Lightning connector doesn't unplug as easily as the older 30 pin connector. I wind up laying the iPad (in a Griffin Survivor case) down on the Carbon 49 upper right side above the keys. It stays in place, and is easy to touch with a fingertip to change sounds. Although I have a number of music apps, I use Korg Module almost all of the time, and have setup a screen-full of patches in the User area so that they are easy to change while playing. That way, I can change sounds easily still in the same app. If you get all of the Module add-ins, you have an astounding variety of sounds - like 700 or so of them. Korg has half-price sales frequently on the add-ins. Thanks for the comment about the USB 3 adapter, I'm using the older adapter now that doesn't allow powering the iPad at the same time - I'll definitely get one of these (although I've started with 100% battery and played for 2.5 hours, still having about 60% left). Other apps that I do use include Alchemy Synth (unfortunately, no longer available), AniMoog, Autoharp (I play one), Galileo Organ (2 man + pedals, like the Leslie better in Module), iCathedral Organ, iFretless Bass, Brass, and Sax (3 programs), iSem Synth, Korg iM1, and Waldorf Nave. I have Sampletank full version, but have removed it from the iPads. Howard Grand|Hamm SK1-73|Kurz PC2|PC2X|PC3|PC3X|PC361; QSC K10's HP DAW|Epi Les Paul & LP 5-str bass|iPad mini2 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Thanks for the comment about the USB 3 adapter, I'm using the older adapter now that doesn't allow powering the iPad at the same time - I'll definitely get one of these (although I've started with 100% battery and played for 2.5 hours, still having about 60% left). I think the best thing about having the powering option is for when you start your gig *thinking* you'd be starting at 100%, and have the unpleasant surprise of having less power than you'd expected. You thought it was charging but it wasn't, or someone else unplugged it, etc. Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donsta Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Hi Don, do you know if a 12.9" iPad fit in the slot on the Samson Carbon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donblanco Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 I have a Samson Carbon 49 that I use for a very lightweight package with an iPad. Have an iPad 2 and a Mini 2 - the slot didn't work all that well for me. Is it the stability or the angle? Although I have a number of music apps, I use Korg Module almost all of the time, and have setup a screen-full of patches in the User area so that they are easy to change while playing. That way, I can change sounds easily still in the same app. If you get all of the Module add-ins, you have an astounding variety of sounds - like 700 or so of them. Korg has half-price sales frequently on the add-ins. I may have to revisit that app. Thanks for the info. New profile: https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/users/76464/dixonge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donblanco Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 Hi Don, do you know if a 12.9" iPad fit in the slot on the Samson Carbon? My iPad should be about the same dimensions as a 9.7 iPad Pro - not sure of the actual height of the 12.9 unit, but Im guessing it would be a tight fit. Photo New profile: https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/users/76464/dixonge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donsta Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I asked the peeps at Sweetwater and they just told me the 12.9" iPad will not fit. Doh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoodyBluesKeys Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 iPad holder - more the stability. Admit that my iPads aren't a perfect match for their design - the iPad 2 without case is a bit thicker than later ones, and the Mini is not only smaller, I always leave it in its protective case, which makes it way too thick. Their method has a slot, and a couple of formed pieces of rubber. The rubber pieces fit in the slot on the left and right side of the horizontal iPad and are made so as to give stability. It is quite possible that they might work with the right iPad (with no other case). When I tried using it at home, touching the screen to change patches caused the pieces to come loose - this might be because I removed the Mini from case and it isn't as wide as the full size iPad. Howard Grand|Hamm SK1-73|Kurz PC2|PC2X|PC3|PC3X|PC361; QSC K10's HP DAW|Epi Les Paul & LP 5-str bass|iPad mini2 "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donblanco Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 iPad holder - more the stability. Admit that my iPads aren't a perfect match for their design - the iPad 2 without case is a bit thicker than later ones, and the Mini is not only smaller, I always leave it in its protective case, which makes it way too thick. Their method has a slot, and a couple of formed pieces of rubber. The rubber pieces fit in the slot on the left and right side of the horizontal iPad and are made so as to give stability. It is quite possible that they might work with the right iPad (with no other case). When I tried using it at home, touching the screen to change patches caused the pieces to come loose - this might be because I removed the Mini from case and it isn't as wide as the full size iPad. Mine is in a thin shell case and I dont use the little rubber pieces New profile: https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/users/76464/dixonge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartbeat Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Put Sampletank in multimode. You can do splits and layers, 8 different midi channels. Korg plug key for midi, audio and power for your iPad. Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Six-string-man Posted February 19, 2018 Share Posted February 19, 2018 Fantastic thread, thanks guys! This has helped me SO much. Occasionally, do something nice for a total stranger. They'll wonder what the hell is going on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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