Check this out...you'll die...

[Anderton]

Paul McCartney is a humanoid biped. He can make whatever kind of music he wants. You can listen to it, ignore it, pick out the best bits, whatever you want. He doesn't hit a home run every time he's at the plate, but no one does. And based on the story that started this thread, he seems like a nice guy. I saw an interview with him on TV the other day. He's an older guy, been through a lot, loves to play music. More power to him. And while I'm at it, you can substitute Phil Collins for Paul McCartney and the message would be the same. On the other hand, Korn Rulez.

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[quote]Originally posted by Anderton: [b]On the other hand, Korn Rulez.[/b][/quote] ROTFL!!! :D :D :D

[Brian T]

[quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b] if thats your name... then you created 60 million pieces of plastic for LANDFILL. fucking destroying the earth. but at least i was right, nuttin but a fucking redneck. i pity you. cuntry bumkin. you dont make music, you make white trash drivel.[/b][/quote] LOL. You're crackin' me up. Hey,since we're trading licks here, try this one. Want to know one difference between my "white trash drivel" and the fine musical art (cough, cough) you display on your website? People actually buy the stuff I make, I presume, because they want to hear it. You should try doing that sometime. It's actually a lot of fun and pays better too. Have a nice day again. Regards, Brian T

[Chip McDonald]

[quote]Originally posted by miroslav: [b]I get the feeling Paul is the only one that had any real FUN making/playing his own music. His "Silly Love Songs" was a poke at all of us...in reverse! [/b][/quote] But "Silly Love Songs" is a genius piece of work. All of the tiny variations in the bass line are a great study in simple but effective bass playing.. The line itself is one long brilliant melody... The way the "trite" verse morphs into the bridges - that have a "serious" vibe to them fits the lyrics perfectly, and the layering on that section is wonderful... The disco-ey/sappy chorus is what it infers - the simplicity of the lyrics is it's own ironic statement, the drippy sugar-coated sound deliberate. The unresolved end is a great "questionmark" with a serious undertone - again, matches the subject matter perfectly. Offhand I can't think of a more synergistic display of songwriting prowess. That the subject matter may be "sappy" is irrelevant; what he did with it is marvelous, subtle, and operates on different levels. Great stuff (IMO).

[alphajerk]

[quote]Originally posted by gbtank@home.com: [b]Want to know one difference between my "white trash drivel" and the fine musical art (cough, cough) you display on your website? People actually buy the stuff I make, I presume, because they want to hear it.[/b][/quote] yeah, its great music to down the king cobra's while beating their wife and kicking their dogs. WOOO HOOO! another difference is mine isnt soundreplaced auto tuned SHIT. get a fucking life. even the most die hard country fans i know think modern cuntry is a load of shit... the redneck equivilent to brittany spears [what a porn name] and ricky martin. people dont WANT to buy that shit, its fucking shoved down their throats on radio, print, and retailer. the stupid little robots [mostly christian fucks who get plenty of programming by fear based beliefs being led blindly like sheep in a flock while turning over their hard earned money in tithings to buy their way into heaven of which is not used to help the poor and degenerate like jesus but to build new multimillion dollar wings onto their churches and opulent structures]... they THINK they like it programmed real nicely by the labels. what a fucking american dream. dont forget, you are the one who went after me first, so what if not everyone like paul mccartny or 15 yo debutants that border on child labor laws or even the ability to be held legally responsible. when will you learn that its not about quantity? nor is life about money or capalistic greed. shit floats.

[Philip OKeefe]

[quote]Originally posted by DougP: [b] Don't forget that Tony Asher wrote the lyrics to "Wouldn't It Be Nice" (all the lyrics on 'Pet Sounds' for that matter, including the ones Mike Love claims he wrote, although not the one that were already Public Domain - "Sloop John B"). Of course (as with all the lyrics Asher wrote for 'Pet Sounds'), the lyrics were written based on ideas and feelings that Brian Wilson was expressing at the time during discussions with Asher. However, the feelings expressed in "Wouldn't It Be Nice" WERE NOT those of his past, but his CURRENT feelings for his wife Marilyn's sister, Diane (at least according to certain Beach Boys / Wilson bios - Wendy is his daughter BTW). Obviously, the song stands on its own without knowing that piece of trivia about it, but I think that knowing that little factoid makes the song even more interesting. I think that Tony Asher deserves a lot of credit for turning an unusual situation (at least I *hope* it's unusual for a guy to have an affair with his wife's sister!) into, as you say, a "universal" one.[/b][/quote] Too many embarrassing mistakes on my part to count! Oops! Yup, I knew that Wendy was his daughter and Marilyn was his wife. I didn't know about the sister in law angle though, so thanks for filling that in. I also knew about the Tony Asher lyrics, and that they were based on Brian's input and direction. I also know of Mike Love's penchant for claiming contributions to Beach Boys songs that he didn't make (I never cared for his attitude very much, and even less so after learning that, and seeing the way he acted throughout the whole BW rehab process...). I also knew that Sloop John B was PD. Where in the WORLD was my head when I posted this tripe? How embarrassing... Thanks for correcting me. Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://www.ssrstudio.com pokeefe777@ssrstudio.com

[Philip OKeefe]

[quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b] yeah, its great music to down the king cobra's while beating their wife and kicking their dogs. WOOO HOOO! another difference is mine isnt soundreplaced auto tuned SHIT. get a fucking life. even the most die hard country fans i know think modern cuntry is a load of shit... the redneck equivilent to brittany spears [what a porn name] and ricky martin.[/b] I was going to stay out of this whole war, but I have to jump in now. I was really tempted to ask Dino why he was getting involved - must have been from a previous battle with Alpha that I must have missed... And I'm not sure of the whole thing with Alpha and Brian. I agree that it would be nice for people to post their own name / contact info in full or a website link or SOMETHING before getting into these sorts of heated debates, but I can understand the desire for a certain amount of privacy... but I personally think it's nice to post with your full identity - and that's why my contact info is at the bottom of every post Iplace. Don't like one? You can always flame me via email (and believe it or not, I've gotten a few). I agree that modern Country is mostly crap. Every ten years or so it seems that country music has a rennisance, and within a few years Nashville ruins it all over again. :eek: Personally, most of the country I prefer (although not all of it) couldn't get arrested in Nashville or on country radio... most of it is now considered Triple A or Americana (Steve Earle, Lucinda Williams, et al) but I am getting off the subject that brought me into this discussion... [b]people dont WANT to buy that shit, its fucking shoved down their throats on radio, print, and retailer. the stupid little robots [mostly christian fucks who get plenty of programming by fear based beliefs being led blindly like sheep in a flock while turning over their hard earned money in tithings to buy their way into heaven of which is not used to help the poor and degenerate like jesus but to build new multimillion dollar wings onto their churches and opulent structures]... they THINK they like it programmed real nicely by the labels. what a fucking american dream.[/b] At first I was somewhat offended by that little rant - but then I read it again, and my opinion changed. Okay, I think we have some common ground. Personally, I am troubled by the idea of a gazillion dollar building when people are starving. Fear based beliefs? I personally feel that people don't respond well to fear - fear is the opposite of faith, and faith is the foundation of my personal beliefs. "Perfect love casts out all fear" as the Bible says... I also am totally against the concept of "buying ones way into heaven" since I personally believe in the idea of salvation by grace, not from works (Eph 2:8-9). I could NEVER be "good enough" or do enough to warrant the unconditional love of a perfect deity - I believe it's a gift given by God out of love. Anyway, I'm not here to preach... sorry about that. The point I'm trying to make is, that when emotions are high and personal opinions firmly held are in play, it's easy to attack others who don't share our same views, and when those feelings are that strong, it's very easy to misunderstand other people's intentions, or to label them negatively because they hold opposing views. [b]dont forget, you are the one who went after me first, so what if not everyone like paul mccartny or 15 yo debutants that border on child labor laws or even the ability to be held legally responsible. when will you learn that its not about quantity? nor is life about money or capalistic greed. shit floats.[/b] They went after you because you had the nerve to disagre with their admiration of one of their musical heroes. You very well might have done the same if they had said Miles or Jimi sucked. :D Can't we all just get along? ;) We don't all have to agree all the time, or even most of the time, but can't we all try to at least respect each other's rights to personal opinions and beliefs? Flame away... ;) Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://www.ssrstudio.com pokeefe777@ssrstudio.com [/quote]

[Mats Olsson.]

Phil, well said! /Mats

[sign]

Phil, you da man, I very much agree with your opinion about not hiding. Anybody can call me a sucker, I even won't get mad, but at least tell me who you are. My Email, full name and telephone number are on my website. Peace.

[videoeditor1]

Phil, You got NYC Drew backing you one this one 100%. On the forums (here, TASCAM's, Mackie, where-ever), I strive to be congenial. It's a whole lot easier to flame and flail at someone than it is to sit and (think &) write something constructive. It may not always be "positive", but I hope, come days end, I see some progress, no matter how tiny. I too post my email address. Most know where I operate out of. I speak / write quite a few of my brethren & sistren "off forum". Harsh criticism and "dirty laundry" in general, I appreciate if people send me that stuff directly. You think I'm a dickhead? Send me an email off forum. Maybe we can work something out. I'm an accomodating kind of guy. Why do we come here? To trash each other? To show how caustic and sarcastic we can be? Not me. This is supposed to be a place that compliments what I do (but not necessarily how I live). Given time, anyone can drum up a few harsh retorts. Every "man" is a man. I don't personally care if it's George M, or Soundcrafter (member # 23664, a 16 yr old from Canada, and new to these forums). Shit, I don't care if George Martin or George Bush were on these forums. Every man is a man. I treat all with respect - in advance. It's up to the individual to demonstrate after that point how he or she wishes to be treated from that point on. Yeah, we all have our quirks and styles and backgrounds and beliefs. A part of maturing and developing as an individual in any given society is being able to, if not assimilate, then understand and appreciate perspectives that may differ from your own. And now, a story: :) I went to Jamaica in April of this year for a total of 36 hrs to do a concert at ... the New Kingston Hilton. 30 minutes after I got to the hotel, me and the bassist are walking in the relative calm of New Kingston, looking for a veggie type restaurant. We see a minor altercation between a security guard (B) at a residential complex and a fellow (A) on a bicycle. Within 15 seconds, with us less than 7 feet away, it escalates to.. A: "idiot" B: "pussyhole" A: "suck yuh modda" within another five seconds and zero feet of separation (me & them), both go for knives. The Guard (B) is faster, sinks about 5 inches of steel in the center of the fellow's chest, turns it, and runs back to the relative safety of his guard post in the complex (probably to get his firearm). The fellow falls, gets up, starts after "B", at which point me and the bassist close our mouths, but are driven to tell the fellow to go seek medical attention. We proceed to "The Hot Pot" restaurant.... We go back to the hotel, and relate the story to a few people. We still can't believe that within 2 hrs of landing, we see violence 1st hand - in New Kingston, of all places. Later that evening, a few hours before the show, we get word that Jamaica's most notorious "warlord" - Willie Hagart was killed, along with 2 or 3 other guys in a hail of bullets. Nobody, but nobody thought this guy would ever be touched. Certainly not by the police (he wasn't killed by the police). What's my point? And why am I taking so long to get there? I've said it before; none of us have a monopoly on caustic remarks, insults, or drugs or guns or the wrong side of the tracks. I've probably seen more violence 1st hand than most NYC or Chicago cops are are going to see in 15 years. It would be an incredible act of bravado or stupidity for me to be “insultive” or threaten (using innuendo) on these forums. Which one of us is the gal or guy with a houseful of guns and a mental imbalance? I don't feel these things (excessive insults and the likes) have a place in these forums, but then, that's just my sole perspective. Every time I am in a situation (wild-like maybe a few girls in my hotel room after a show, good-handling production for an event, in the car, whatever... or bad - reloading and looking for cover ;) ) I ask myself.. "why am I here?" "what was it that I was/am trying to accomplish?" Keeping what's important in the forefront of my consciousness certainly helps me from shooting off at the lip....or the hip. NYC Drew A happy holiday season to all. PS- Jules, a cool story. long time no see. Whatcya been up to? Tell us about the fairlight slight. When I went over, a nobody like me got the freaking royal treatment (maybe they heard I only do cash deals ;) !) [ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: NYC Drew ]

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Nice post, Phil. I don't know if I want to get in the middle of this either, but... The debate isn't about the state of modern country music... It's about this comment: [quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b]15 eh? guess thats too young to be a porn star, give her 3 years. arent there enough of these disney singers already? paul is such a dork. excuse me while i go vomit... [/b][/quote] Everybody's entitled to their opinion, but I actually feel a bit sad for Alpha (not that he wants anyone's pity, but... :D ). What I mean is, it's sad that anyone could feel so bitter that they have to trash someone they haven't heard... Or so readily dismiss someone who, along with three other guys, changed the music business and the world... And it *is* a "random act of kindness" kind of story, which -- I'd hope -- most folks can relate to. Maybe if we changed the details so that it's not Paul McCartney, but one of the guys from the Flaming Lips, then Alpha's heart would be warmed by the story. ;) [quote]Originally posted by Tedster: [b]Hey, Alpha, just kiddin' mon...here, have a hit off this, you'll feel much better... [/b][/quote] Ya, everyone should relax over this. Some folks create music for artistic reasons, some folks create it so they can pay the bills, and others create music for some combination of the two. There's enough room in the world for everybody... ;) Can we call it a truce? [ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: popmusic ]

[miroslav]

[quote]Originally posted by popmusic: [b]...it's sad that anyone could feel so bitter...[/b][/quote] YUP! Man it's OK to disagree, argue a bit and even get a little "loud" once in awhile. But to spew vile, nasty, vulgar insults at the "drop of a coin"....as your best or only response to the debate, and then try to justify or explain it all by saying, [i]"well, that's just me, that's the way I am, that's the way I engage in meaningful debate"[/i]...well yeah, it is sad, and it really is a bunch of bullshit! It's happened too many times...with various forum members. Hey, I don't give a shit if we all don't "just get along". Actually, I would never expect us to, and I've had my share of serious disagreements to prove it. But it isn't necessary to always reach down and find the biggest piece of shit you can, to throw at someone...JUST, because you disagree. Yeah...peace on earth, goodwill...yeah...no wonder I get cynical so easily. [ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: miroslav ]

[rold]

Phil and Drew - both great posts! Phil, you seem like the most Christ-ian Christian I have ever spoken to, and Drew - Kingston is definitely the last place on my list I would EVER want to get into an argument with someone..lol I grew up in a very miserable, redneck kind of town and so I have a natural "aversion" to most conflicts...I know how it feels to be offended, but I try and take the "walk-away" approach most times - unless it gets REAL ugly...backwards approach, but I'm still alive and all is groovy.. :cool: Peace, Harold

[Botch.]

A topical quote in Newsweek last week: "The idea that there is one people in possession of the truth, one answer to the world's ills or one solution to humanity's needs has done untold harm throughout history" -UN SecGen Kofi Annan This is more on the level of terrorism/religion but it could apply to our Silly Love Songs, too. Have a Happy Holidays, everyone!

[alphajerk]

substitute whoever you please, it aint even about paul... i woulda said the same thing about the flaming lips if they had done it, in fact id be even more shocked... at least with paul, its consistant with his velveeta character. its about some 15 yo CHILD who really has no business in this business [YET]. its just a shame really. phil, you know i know you are "different" than a lot of others. its not ones personal faith im commenting about per se... but i guess you already "got" what i was alluding to. its something that extends far beyond the churches and music biz practices, its a massive chuck of the entire capitalistic nightmare, a direct comment to brian's snobbish comments. so anyone see politically incorrect last night? set like a bad joke [or a tom robbins book]... a rabbi, a preacher, an arab, and what seemed to be an athiest... geezus. needless to say, christianity has some VERY bad representation. now excuse me, i have to go put my dog to sleep now. merry fucking christmas.

[rold]

Sorry to hear about your dog, alpha.. :(

[miroslav]

[quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b]...some 15 yo CHILD who really has no business in this business [YET].[/b][/quote] Well...I'm not sure I agree the she "has no business...[YET]". Why, because she is just a 15 year old girl? I think she has her shit together MORE than most of us on these forums. Maybe her music isn't for everyone here...but for the "...business in this business..."...I think she is WAY ahead of the curve (not you Eric). So...will she "burn-out" at a young age...? Hey, you got to go with it and see what happens...sitting and waiting until you reach some specific point in time...too risky. If you got it, flaunt it...I don't think she is being manipulated or used...not any more than any of us are. One hundred years ago...15 was "old-enough" for a lot of things. "Girls" were often already married and raising a family, while "boys" were expected to be men. So...let the dice roll...her time is now. Sorry about your dog...I've had to do the same thing a couple of times over the years. I thought I was going to loose my cat a month ago...but the little guy pulled through...I love that damn cat! [ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: miroslav ]

[Brian T]

[quote]Originally posted by popmusic: [b]Nice post, Phil. I don't know if I want to get in the middle of this either, but... The debate isn't about the state of modern country music... It's about this comment: Originally posted by alphajerk: 15 eh? guess thats too young to be a porn star, give her 3 years. arent there enough of these disney singers already? paul is such a dork. excuse me while i go vomit... [ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: popmusic ][/b][/quote] Exactly. Precisely. A human being I don't know personally posted a story about his next door neighbor (someone he does know personally). I really enjoyed reading it. It was a story 99% of the world would find heartwarming, especially in the holiday season. Sometimes the good guys *do* win. People really are nice to other people without hidden agendas sometimes. And if somebody doesn't dig the story, fine. But what makes somebody feel like they *have* to post vitriolic and demeaning criticism of the story and the people in it? "Porn star", "dork", "vomit". I don't get it. Is a tiny bit of consideration for the original poster and just about all the responses too much to ask? It's systematic rudeness. And I see no reason to let it go unchallenged. Obviously, alphajerk is vastly more comfortable bad vibing and criticizing everybody else than he is having a taste of his own medicine. I thought that would be the case, but I wanted to find out. The result is pretty obvious. As far as his musical criticisms. When I consider the source, it seems like it's actually a compliment. Again, everybody has the same right to their opinion. alphajerk is free to dig and make whatever music he wants. More power to him. But if he wants to take cheap musical snobbery shots, he at least ought to expect to get a little scrutiny himself now and then. As far as I can tell, he dishes it out much better than he takes it. Regards, Brian T

[miroslav]

[quote]Originally posted by pokeefe777@msn.com: [b]...modern Country is mostly crap...[/b][/quote] "I Am Shelby Lynn" The more I listen to this album, the more I find myslef playing it again. This girl's got style! She's not "hard core" traditional country...but so what...the roots are there, and she can sing. Cut 1. "Your Lies" just nocks me on the floor...play it REAL LOUD...it's a kick! It's a well done album and I wouldn't call it a Nashville stereotypical, cookie cutter, production.

[alphajerk]

excuse me brian but who made you Bryces bitch? i really doubt he needs you to stick up for him. i dont think paul does either, nor some 15yo child. i dont give a fuck if you dont like what i do [i get PLENTY of compliments of my work... i dont need your apporval to feel good about what i do], judging from what you do, your opinion doesnt mean shit to me... i almost fell over laughing from the albums you have done. you just thought i would be an easy target for your sold out ass to try and take on... turns out its your house thats made out of glass.

[miroslav]

Guys...remember what the Budwieser Lizard said: "Let it go Louie...just let it go".

[Brian T]

[quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b]excuse me brian but who made you Bryces bitch? i really doubt he needs you to stick up for him. i dont think paul does either, nor some 15yo child. i dont give a fuck if you dont like what i do [i get PLENTY of compliments of my work... i dont need your apporval to feel good about what i do], judging from what you do, your opinion doesnt mean shit to me... i almost fell over laughing from the albums you have done. you just thought i would be an easy target for your sold out ass to try and take on... turns out its your house thats made out of glass.[/b][/quote] Ever the articulate one. I guess being as rude as you are takes lots of practice. Man, what a way to live. Sheesh. I could go on down this road with you. You know, ask "Where can I buy an album you did to have a listen" and then you'd say, "Who cares if I don't make label records, I'm in it for the art" (except no caps and a lot of cussing) and then I'd say something else clever and you'd cuss at me a bunch more. Sounds great! Not. I think I'll pass. But would it really kill you to be a little nicer? Would it really? Just a little more courtesy here and there, like to the guy who started this thread? Regards, Brian T

[lovesinger]

FTR, my email is lovesinger@usa.net (it's in my profile). Dave, thanks to you for starting and thanks to most for building this happy and hopeful thread. It underscores the major theme pervading this season [which moneygrubbing commercializers have admittedly capitalized on for decades], of [b]GIVING[/b] an undeserved, unasked for Great Gift, to help create life-success for the unsuspecting receiver [many times ungrateful, but not this young lady], just because the Giver wanted to, from the love in His heart that reflects His character, and for no other reason. [whatever could Paul expect to profit from her with his awesomely successful music life and status?] Such dream-come-true breakthroughs as this fueled by our love of music keep many us pushing on in this business. Even if it had happened in their own studio some resentfully choose not to appreciate that, unfortunately. For the soul-drowning effect of resentful envy, bible wisdom encourages us to "rejoice with those who rejoice" - to share in others' happiness, and in the muse-chains (think food-chain) that pervade our professional lives, successes of others - even far away - can feed our own. As obvious but much taken for granted example: how many of us who'd otherwise be 'stuck' with ONLY 2-inch tape, upright bass, 2-track recording, 20-watt amps, bad pickups and feature-limited dinosaur-sized boards get profit and payment from [i]successes[/i] of many who worked to give us electro-synthesized and sequenced elements that sell our CDs, MP3s and live shows, from Switched-on Bach to mega-rock? [You KNOW many of us can't play or arpeggiate that well, if at all in some cases ... like i've never played violin but sequence some fair string arrangements. :) ] Who knows by what strange turn of events this might replicate in our own lives sooner or later? Phil, your mature and grace-filled spiritual balance is needed more abundantly in the forum than it appears (but you can only be on so many threads and do music too :) ). I was staying AWOL from the conflict too [4 pages & not a word from the singer] but since no word from Him returns void I'll add in. Nor will I respond to possible flaring flames hereafter _ a willful heart that won't examine what it attacks from its ill-informed database to find easily discovered truths-of-the-matter will not be convinced by posted replies. [quote]Originally posted by pokeefe777@msn.com: [b]I could NEVER be "good enough" or do enough to warrant the unconditional love of a perfect deity - I believe it's a gift given by God out of love. Anyway, I'm not here to preach... sorry about that. [/b][/quote]Brother, your brief exposition on no-cost salvation by grace could populate heaven with many "musicplayers" willing to received it. We already know not all will (too 'intelligent', too hateful, too whatever..). I'd encourage you to not be sorry [don't think you really were :) ] for non-intrusively sharing a life-buoy. It goes with our territory -- but if we can be hated now but loved later when the hater's wrapped in eternal love forever, preach on. We both know how to be gracefully tacit, but when we're asked or challenged to come onstage and share our faith, what're we gonna sing -- Born To Be Wild?! (i used to rock that on drums!) I don't think so. It's on record that alph's got Christianity issues locked into man's errors and excesses based on skewed cult-abuse exposure to it and whatever else, not the faith's Bible verifiable truths...in same fashion as Osama's and Al Qaeda's crazyness reflect nothing of the Quran's correctly-read tenets... and yes, I (a Christian) have studied much of it, including Surah 48.13 and others wrongly said to dictate the WTC and other tragedies. Unfortunately, despite us showing him appreciation as a fellowman despite his flame-excesses, he hasn't gotten over it. [what a great Christmas gift that would be ... getting over it!] [quote]by pokeefe: [b]we have some common ground. Personally, I am troubled by the idea of a gazillion dollar building when people are starving.[/b][/quote]Me too. [quote]by pokeefe: [b]I also am totally against the concept of "buying ones way into heaven"[/b][/quote] Me too. [quote]by alphajerk: [b]people dont WANT to buy that shit, its fucking shoved down their throats on radio, print, and retailer.[/b][/quote] Not the first time that omniscience-complex has arisen. Seems the proof [not one's opinion] of what people WANT to buy is what they DO buy. No ad or other thing can MAKE me buy anything I don't personally choose to spend money on. [quote]Originally posted by NYC Drew:[b]It would be an incredible act of bravado or stupidity for me to be "insultive"; or threaten (using innuendo) on these forums.[/b][/quote] Drew, I vote for stupidity, and I admit to at least once being guilty of defending against an attack in that manner on the forum. Your entire post is super!!! There IS love, peace and joy available this season. Let's find it and share it more.

[vintagevibe]

Brian, You have to consider the level of ignorance you are dealing with here. Alphajerk cannot comprehend a positive or intelligent conversation. Look through some of his posts and you'll realize meaningful communication is not possible. It's beyond his limited understanding of the world. It's probably just bad breeding or inbreeding and he probably can't help it. Save your typing fingers. You can't polish a turd.

[Empty Planet]

It almost seems like there's a "Fletcher School" of audio forum posting, doesn't it? You know, like all the airline pilots for decades wanted that low-key Chuck Yeager drawl. There's a weird, macho sub-school of mix engineering, to which fortunately not too many belong. It's very odd to me. People that never understood the role of civility in communication, of being able to challenge the idea without challenging the person. What's with the Testosterone Fest? It's part "Why yes, let's discuss the implications of your idea" and part "GRAB A STICK, MONKEY BOY, YOU AND ME ARE MIXING!!" In my best Andy Warhol voice....I just don't get it. :rolleyes: [ 12-21-2001: Message edited by: Empty Planet ]

[Philip OKeefe]

[quote]Originally posted by alphajerk: [b] now excuse me, i have to go put my dog to sleep now. merry fucking christmas.[/b][/quote] We just went through the same thing, and it TOTALLY sucks. Dogs, at least around here, become a part of the family, and are such great and loyal friends. My oldest daughter's pit bull had surgery about two months back for a bad rear leg knee joint. It never seemed to heal properly, and so we took her back in on the 12th, and the vet went back in to have a look, and he found cancer all through the leg, so we had to put her down too. My daughter wanted her buried in the yard, so I had to take care of that for her. She'd had this dog for about 7 years, and it was very special to all of us. This dog as SO smart - I kid you not, she'd actually learned to say "momma" - funniest thing you'd ever heard. She'll be greatly missed. I feel for you Alpha - sorry to hear about your dog. Why does all the crappy stuff seem to come at this time of the year? No wonder the holiday season is so miserable for so many people... Phil O'Keefe Sound Sanctuary Recording Riverside CA http://www.ssrstudio.com pokeefe777@ssrstudio.com

[Mr Darling]

Two pages ago I thought this tread turned out to be very interesting - now it seems like a regular cock fight... I took my sweet time replaying because I decided to actually think before I open my mouth (or work my fingers) and see what really tipped me off about this story : Dave Bryce , I never thought it was un cool of you to tell this story (and if I did I changed my mind) I just remembered that the other day our keyboard player told us that he met meat loaf and his band through his day job (back line) , also his new girlfriend (the key's girl) play's violin with Bjork when ever she's in Europe (as she's only in her 20's) and I thought yeah, this is cool.... I think what really ticked me off , is the surpassed reaction from every one to this story. I guess in a way Lee is right. As a cynic I expect more from everyone, why shouldn't paul be nice to a newcomer just for the love of music. Why should he behave like the average wanna-be / here-is-my-15-minute-fame stars this world seems to be filled with. Maybe because we all expect stars to be ass holes they are :confused: And Lee, I don't remember ever saying I think I'm as talented as paul or we all exactly the same (you probably read it between the lines) But the jury are still out on this one. But what I do think is that Paul, with all is talent, and all the influence he had and still have on the music business deserve the same respect as me , you and even alpha. If that's makes me an hopeless cynic so be it. So happy days to all of you, peace and respect. Danny

[Hippie]

Personally, I have no problem with Alphajerks comments, it puts a little balance into things, and guaranteed a hoot! Plus, I come from a big family and I think I've heard every insult known to mankind, it doesn't really phase me. But, if you toss out a wack statement, you'd should be able to back them up, eh? We should try to keep the debates on the up & up. example forum argument: person 1 -The Earth is flat person 2 -Really? how's that? person 1 -because I said so person 2 -that doesn't prove shit person 1 -fuck you :D Matt

[sign]

Boy what a thread this has become! Dino, with all respect, Alpha is an intelligent guy but he has a rather 'special' way of expressing himself, like Craig Fletcher, who also has something special, and really, I like them :) Brian T, great action to 'pass' :D Andrew, I read many posts from you and the only thing I can say, I wish someone like you was leader the USA now. Phil, thank you again for the wisdom you express. Alpha, I have had dogs all my life, I know what you feel, it's really hard. There is this song playing in my head now: So, so you think you can tell Heaven from Hell, blue skies from pain. Can you tell a green field from a cold steel rail? A smile from a veil? Do you think you can tell? And did they get you to trade your heroes for ghosts? Hot ashes for trees? Hot air for a cool breeze? Cold comfort for change? And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? How I wish, how I wish you were here. We're just two lost souls swimming is a fish bowl, year after year. Running over the same old ground, what have we found? The same old fears! Whish you were here. A merry Christmas to all of you and PEACE in 2002!!

[timrocker]

Alphajerk, please, calm down. Is there anything in the world that you're "up" about? Couldn't you share something positive with us? The number of things and people that you're down on seems to be endless. Do you have to be a turboscrooge? Care for some Velveeta? Tim