mul Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hi all. My current set up is this a korg m50 73 on top and my new, absolutely beautiful, casio privia px 5s. Never thought I would say that about a casio and in fact on these forums in the past I have even poured derision on casinos offerings but I digress. I run set list maker with its midi change function. I used to have two m50s and had these midied together as follows. iPad via cck to m50 73 and midi out to in of the other m50 (88) I used the combi bank d. The msb lsb values for this bank are 000 323 The programme number. Eg slot 000 = 000!! I used the ext 2 feature in the combi bank on the m50 73 to initiate the relevant patch changes but never like this because althought when the page turn function on the iPad app did change the patch on the first keyboard, I had to manually select the patch again in the touch screen of the first keyboard in order to send the msb, lsb, and programme change to the second keyboard. ( first world problem I, I know !). Enter the casio. Through the casio forums I easily obtained the msb lsb values to select the individual stage settings. These are as follows 112, 036 and again the corresponding stage setting value. Setting 0-0 is again 00 Only when I got the casio did I have access to a midi tru so I decided to used this and try again with the ' one touch changes all' approach with the set list app. I set up a new set list maker song, it happened to be 'don't stop believing', I have both my patches ready and check each one individually with the iPad plugged via the cck into each individual keyboard. I set the casio to midi channel 1 and the korg to 2.( default since the previous setup). To be clearer I have the casio set on my stage setting 00 ( chorus cp80) 122 - 36 00. Directly connected the app changes the stage setting. I have the korg set on my combi bank d 012 ( don't stop synth patch) 000 - 323 - 012. Directly connected the app changes the combi correctly. I assumed that if I connected the setup as follows that the ' one touch changes all' should Work. iPad via cck to casio. Casio midi tru to korg. As you may have guessed and by the length of my post, it didn't. I also tried iPad to casio and midi out to korg but nothing also. When I say nothing I mean that when I select the 'dont stop patch' the keyboard connected first in the chain does bank patch select but the other keyboard seems to be losing the midi singnal somewhere in the chain. Any advice on what I am doing wrong or is there a work around. . Thanks in advise for any input. Quote Korg kronos, casio px5s, studiologic sl 88 studio, korg m50,korg triton, yamaha moxf6, hammond xk1, korg sp200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherScott Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I assumed that if I connected the setup as follows that the ' one touch changes all' should Work. iPad via cck to casio. Casio midi tru to korg. As you may have guessed and by the length of my post, it didn't. It sounds like you may be using USB to go from CCK to Casio, and then 5-pin DIN to go from Casio Thru to Korg? If so, that might be the problem, mixing MIDI-over-USB with MIDI-over-DIN. The Casio treats the USB and DIN ports independently (which is actually a cool feature), and I suspect that could be a factor here. Simplest thing to try, if you have the appropriate pieces, would be to use the CCK into a regular (computer style) USB to MIDI adapter (to convert it to 5-pin), or any other interface you may have that will give you 5-pin DIN MIDI right out of the iPad, and see if it works if you go from there to the Casio and then Thru to the Korg. Quote Maybe this is the best place for a shameless plug! Our now not-so-new new video at https://youtu.be/3ZRC3b4p4EI is a 40 minute adaptation of T. S. Eliot's "Prufrock" - check it out! And hopefully I'll have something new here this year. ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr88s Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I presume you are sending the program change messages on separate MIDI channels and have each board configured to respond to its own particular channel? Quote Nord Stage 2 Compact, Yamaha MODX8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mul Posted January 3, 2014 Author Share Posted January 3, 2014 Cheers another scot. You are indeed correct and cheers for the prompt response. Also found another setting in set list that implys I had to select ' auto midi sequential midi preset selection. Yes dr88s I have the boards configured correctly. When I have that appropriate journey patch selected and I have the korg on ch 2 and ter casio on 1, if I plug the USB into independently into each keyboard then the will select the required patch straight away. It seems like as anotherscott posted, there is a midi protocol disambiguation. I don't keep my live rig at home and so I will check tomorrow pre gig and see if my discovery in the midi settings of set list has changed things. Appreciate the responses guys and if anyone, especially ESCAPE ROCKS cause I reckon he has more or less the same rig and apps as myself, could chime in and let me know if they are running with multiple keyboard patch changes from setlist then please let me know how you are doing this. Cheers guys. G Quote Korg kronos, casio px5s, studiologic sl 88 studio, korg m50,korg triton, yamaha moxf6, hammond xk1, korg sp200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr88s Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 As an M50 and recently a new PX-5S user, I just want to say "Nice rig!" I have an iRig midi and Set List Maker but never got program selection via ipad to work with the M50. Truth be told I didn't put in a whole lot of effort and gave up quickly. It's nice to know it's doable. Quote Nord Stage 2 Compact, Yamaha MODX8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mul Posted January 4, 2014 Author Share Posted January 4, 2014 Cheers dr88s. I really dig your rig also. Are you the same as me and lusting after the new krone ?( Kronos really!!!) Try the setlist maker app withy the values I have provided to see if it works well for you. The midi patch change requires an in app purchase but it is very useful. I am gigging tonight and will try the work arounds you all suggested. Thanks guys. G Quote Korg kronos, casio px5s, studiologic sl 88 studio, korg m50,korg triton, yamaha moxf6, hammond xk1, korg sp200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navytmplpmly Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 1/4/2014 at 12:50 AM, mul said: Hi all. My current set up is this a korg m50 73 on top and my new, absolutely beautiful, casio privia px 5s. Never thought I would say that about a casio and in fact on these forums in the past I have even poured derision on casinos offerings but I digress. I run set list maker with its midi change function. I used to have two m50s and had these midied together as follows. iPad via cck to m50 73 and midi out to in of the other m50 (88) I used the combi bank d. The msb lsb values for this bank are 000 323 The programme number. Eg slot 000 = 000!! I used the ext 2 feature in the combi bank on the m50 73 to initiate the relevant patch changes but never like this because althought when the page turn function on the iPad app did change the patch on the first keyboard, I had to manually select the patch again in the touch screen of the first keyboard in order to send the msb, lsb, and programme change to the second keyboard. ( first world problem I, I know !). Enter the casio. Through the casio forums I easily obtained the msb lsb values to select the individual stage settings. These are as follows 112, 036 and again the corresponding stage setting value. Setting 0-0 is again 00 Only when I got the casio did I have access to a midi tru so I decided to used this and try again with the ' one touch changes all' approach with the set list app. I set up a new set list maker song, it happened to be 'don't stop believing', I have both my patches ready and check each one individually with the iPad plugged via the cck into each individual keyboard. I set the casio to midi channel 1 and the korg to 2.( default since the previous setup). To be clearer I have the casio set on my stage setting 00 ( chorus cp80) 122 - 36 00. Directly connected the app changes the stage setting. I have the korg set on my combi bank d 012 ( don't stop synth patch) 000 - 323 - 012. Directly connected the app changes the combi correctly. I assumed that if I connected the setup as follows that the ' one touch changes all' should Work. iPad via cck to casio. Casio midi tru to korg. As you may have guessed and by the length of my post, it didn't. https://cheqmark.io/ I also tried iPad to casio and midi out to korg but nothing also. When I say nothing I mean that when I select the 'dont stop patch' the keyboard connected first in the chain does bank patch select but the other keyboard seems to be losing the midi singnal somewhere in the chain. Any advice on what I am doing wrong or is there a work around. . Thanks in advise for any input. Hey guys, I'm playing solo at the moment, but I like the subscription model, and the ability to use a browser on a PC/Mac to edit songs etc of BandHelper, so thinking about switching from SLM (which I really like except for having to do all the work on an iPad) to BandHelper Basic. Has anybody used both? Is there any downside to BandHelper compared to SLM? Yeah, I know there is a free trial, but I am inherently lazy, so if somebody has thoughts I'd appreciate them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoken6 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 1 hour ago, navytmplpmly said: Hey guys, I'm playing solo at the moment, but I like the subscription model, and the ability to use a browser on a PC/Mac to edit songs etc of BandHelper, so thinking about switching from SLM (which I really like except for having to do all the work on an iPad) to BandHelper Basic. Has anybody used both? Is there any downside to BandHelper compared to SLM? Yeah, I know there is a free trial, but I am inherently lazy, so if somebody has thoughts I'd appreciate them. I switched from SLM to BandHelper because of the multidevice capability. No real disadvantages, but it is a richer app, so a little extra complexity. For example, virtually all SLM functionality is hidden under one "tab" of BandHelper, called Repertoire. Also, the multi-account stuff makes things more complex - you find yourself having to start by choosing an account, but "within that" you can still assign entities to multiple accounts etc. Cheers, Mike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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