Ross Brown Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Is there a difference? Does it matter? Can they play together? Last excuse from now fired guitar player as to why he couldn't play well... he is an east coast guitar player, other guy is a west coast guitar player.... WFT? First time I heard about this... "When I take a stroll down Jackass Lane it is usually to see someone that is already there" Mrs. Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane hugo Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 The stereotype was that east coast players play right on the leading edge of the beat, while west coast players sit way further back beatwise...at least, that's the way I always heard it growing up. I pretty much thought it was all BS myself. http://blip.fm/invite/WorkRelease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy c Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 The stereotype was that east coast players play right on the leading edge of the beat, while west coast players sit way further back beatwise...at least, that's the way I always heard it growing up. That's certainly true in the jazz world, Hugo. Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Brown Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 this could make some sense based on what the issues were.... interesting... learn something new everyday.... "When I take a stroll down Jackass Lane it is usually to see someone that is already there" Mrs. Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 Even so, that shouldn't be an excuse for poor playing. I think that regardless of what instrument one plays, they should eventually reach a level of competence to be able to adapt to various styles and grooves. To me it sounds like a cop-out. (just my opinion) BCR's homepage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picker Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 I used to think I had a handle on the whole "in front/on the beat/behind the beat" thing. Then I saw an instructional video some drummer put out. He demonstrated all three by playing the same 4/4 drum pattern, and I couldn't feel, hear or see any difference. I thought he was joking, but apparently not. So, I'm not as sanguine about the topic as I once was. By the same token, I've played with a multiplicity of drummers over the years, some of whom I'm told played at different places relative to the beat, and never had any problem playing along with any of them. It may be that because the feel the ensemble puts into or on any given song has always dictated the way I play. I guess one of the hazards of being self-taught, and learning by ear is knowing how to do things on my instruments that I have no name (or the wrong name for). But playing by feel has served me pretty well in a lot of ways. Maybe this is one of them. In any event, I can maybe see the guitarist in question saying he has a preference for one feel over the other, but making it hard or impossible to play with people using either one just doesn't seem likely to me. Sounds like you're better off without him. Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Brown Posted August 24, 2013 Author Share Posted August 24, 2013 yes. Nice guy but he refused to prepare. This excuse was interesting and new... The rehearsal without him was much much better.... "When I take a stroll down Jackass Lane it is usually to see someone that is already there" Mrs. Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu Fhtagn Posted August 24, 2013 Share Posted August 24, 2013 You find the kick - beat. You find the high hat - back beat. You go where the drummer takes you. Unless it's free-form jazz. Then, you had better have chops. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane hugo Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 yes. Nice guy but he refused to prepare. This excuse was interesting and new... perhaps even worse, he couldn't (or wasn't willing to) adapt. http://blip.fm/invite/WorkRelease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b5pilot Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 First I've heard of this east coast-west coast difference thing. Sounds more to me like his ego couldn't handle rejection so he dredged up this old stereotype to excuse his bad playing. Lydian mode? The only mode I know has the words "pie ala" in front of it. http://www.myspace.com/theeldoradosband Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric VB Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Well, there is certainly a difference between east coast and west coast swing dancing. Maybe I don't play enough guitar but if two guitars are trading rhythm and lead I don't see an issue. If they're trying to play a dual lead then, yes, the phrasing will be a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hurricane hugo Posted August 26, 2013 Share Posted August 26, 2013 Oh, the rhythms will be a trainwreck, too, at least at first. East Coast Bob didn't seem like he wanted to put in the work to make the different rhythm feels compliment each other. As a guitar player myself, I can tell you that it's a LOT of work to make two guitarists groove flawlessly together. http://blip.fm/invite/WorkRelease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Brown Posted August 26, 2013 Author Share Posted August 26, 2013 Oh, the rhythms will be a trainwreck, too, at least at first. East Coast Bob didn't seem like he wanted to put in the work to make the different rhythm feels compliment each other. As a guitar player myself, I can tell you that it's a LOT of work to make two guitarists groove flawlessly together. Yes, I believe it is a lot of work.... and when one of them is not interested in working at it... it is worse... "When I take a stroll down Jackass Lane it is usually to see someone that is already there" Mrs. Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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