jeremy c Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 If someone can't play in time, nothing you do in a rehearsal will help. Oh, come on... you're a teacher. People can learn to play in time. It's a skill that can be built. Teaching "time-deaf" people how to play in time is extremely difficult, and even if you make progress, they'll never get locked in to a groove and they won't be aware of it. I've been in situations where the problem was attempted to be solved in rehearsals and it always led to a change in personnel. Free download of my cd!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Malone Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 Like I said earlier, some can groove and some never will! Wally I have basses to play, places to be and good music to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcadmus Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 There will always be a weakest link. You just have to make sure it's not you. If you keep firing people who are not as good as you pretty soon everyone else will be better than you.... I always want to be the worst player in the band -- conveniently, that's not usually a problem. The better players pull me up and make me play better. "Tours widely in the southwestern tip of Kentucky" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cthulhu Fhtagn Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 I've always maintained that I'm the weakest link in the rock projects and there are way more technical bassist in town, eager to replace me. I also own a complete 300W, two speaker PA with monitors, 2 Chauvet 4Bars, a convertible hand-truck/cart, a full sized Ford 4x and a van. That should count for something. The better players pull me up and make me play better. Yep. Every time it's tried. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted July 19, 2011 Share Posted July 19, 2011 ... He was critcal of bandmates. ... That usually a sign that he knows he's not playing well and is trying to deflect attention away from himself. If the rest of the band were complaining then it must have been bad. Wow. Deja-f***ing-vu - except the weak link in the last project I was in was the bassist, and he ran me out of the band rather than accept my help trying to improve his playing and my criticism when he didn't do his homework. Drummer was so used to compensating for shitty bass players he figured it was better to stick with the talented but raw singer and her boyfriend. I figure he deserves to play with that level of musicianship if that's where his head is at. A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J. Dan Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 I have maybe an interesting perspective, although my ultimate response will not differ from the others. My primary instrument has always been keys. I used to have horrible timing...horrible. A lot of keyboard players without a lot of live experience do. I know a lot now who play from sheet music, and can't play well with others. Anyway, I somehow (auditioning on bass only) landed a gig with my last band as the bass player, also playing some keys. In the 5 years that I played with them, I not only got pretty tight on bass with the drummer, but my keys playing tightened up. With my current band, my keys were still not as tight as they should be. But I had been so used to locking to the drummer, that I've found myself doing the same now on keys. As a result, I think I've gotten pretty tight on the keys. Everybody should lock to the drummer, period. We had a change in bass players a few years ago. This guy is a technically competent player, but just doesn't lock the same way with the drummer. It caused some drama for a while, but honestly, now the drummer just turns down the bass in his mix (we use IEM's) and everything's been OK. This is OT, because our Guitar player is tight. But I guess my point is sort of that you have to evaluate what the effect on the band is in terms of the ability to lock down the timing. Does anybody besides the band notice it? If not, ignore it move on. If so, just fire the guy. Dan Acoustic/Electric stringed instruments ranging from 4 to 230 strings, hammered, picked, fingered, slapped, and plucked. Analog and Digital Electronic instruments, reeds, and throat/mouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky McDougall Posted July 20, 2011 Share Posted July 20, 2011 Everybody should lock to the drummer, period. Does anybody besides the band notice it? I've spent many, many years playing Western Swing, (Dance hall music) Everybody dances to the beat. They could not care less what the guitar player is doing. If he stopped playing, no one would notice. If the drums and bass stop, the music stops, the dance is over. Rocky "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb, voting on what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb, contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassin bill Posted July 21, 2011 Share Posted July 21, 2011 a good player will automatically play in time to the groove. unfortunately a lot of people can't do it, period. when you get to a certain level of people, they all do it. if this guy is not willing to better himself due not believing you, multitrack recording will show the issue to him. otherwise, it is what it is. good luck B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Iverson Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 People with bad time can sometimes improve dramatically with time and experience and practice with a metronome. Or sometimes it takes a one on one with the individual - it's not always a problem that can't be fixed! Even people with what seems like a tin ear can learn - not always, but sometimes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddiePlaysBass Posted July 22, 2011 Share Posted July 22, 2011 People with bad time can sometimes improve dramatically with time and experience and practice with a metronome. I record every rehearsal the band does, and share it with the band through Dropbox. Our "new" guitarist surprised me to no end when he said: "You know, those recordings are really useful. I noticed my timing was off during my solo in song X, so I have been working on that." I am still pinching myself to see if it was all just a dream, and I'm about to step out of the shower. "I'm a work in progress." Micky Barnes The Ross Brown Shirt World Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Brown Posted July 22, 2011 Author Share Posted July 22, 2011 Just as an FYI.... The guitar player send me (and the band) an email critical the way that I fired him.... He thought it was rude that I pointed out that I thought he was repeatedly unprepared... I suppose if I just said "your fired" he would have been critical that I did not tell him why... oh my.... "When I take a stroll down Jackass Lane it is usually to see someone that is already there" Mrs. Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddiePlaysBass Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 So he really did not care to know why, because in his book he did nothing wrong and you're the b*stards? "I'm a work in progress." Micky Barnes The Ross Brown Shirt World Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklab Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 Just as an FYI.... The guitar player send me (and the band) an email critical the way that I fired him.... He thought it was rude that I pointed out that I thought he was repeatedly unprepared... I suppose if I just said "your fired" he would have been critical that I did not tell him why... oh my.... Good riddance to him. Be happy that you're done with this episode and move on. I wouldn't give the guy a second thought. Obligatory Social Media Link "My concern is, and I have to, uh, check with my accountant, that this might bump me into a higher, uh, tax..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby LowTones Posted July 23, 2011 Share Posted July 23, 2011 IMHO, this is a TWO steps thing: 1 - Bass and drum should be both locked to each other like Krazy Glue. Their role is to provide the time base for the whole adventure of playing/singing a song. Who lead the other? I don't know, none I think. If they are tight, great. If not, they need to work on the problem. 2 - Everybody else in the band should follow the tempo provided by the above unified "beat" machine. Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Thorne Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Unless he has compromising photos of you with a honey badger, you probably need to get someone else to play guitar. Hey, that honey badger told me she was 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Jew Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Honey Badger just takes what it wants. \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Brown Posted August 2, 2011 Author Share Posted August 2, 2011 I was too upset about my dead water buffalo to worry about any stinkin' badgers.... "When I take a stroll down Jackass Lane it is usually to see someone that is already there" Mrs. Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcadmus Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 You're a honey badger. "Tours widely in the southwestern tip of Kentucky" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Jew Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 [video:youtube] \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b5pilot Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Funny naration. Marlon Perkins he ain't! Lydian mode? The only mode I know has the words "pie ala" in front of it. http://www.myspace.com/theeldoradosband Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Brown Posted August 2, 2011 Author Share Posted August 2, 2011 oh my God..... Thank you... "When I take a stroll down Jackass Lane it is usually to see someone that is already there" Mrs. Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Brown Posted August 2, 2011 Author Share Posted August 2, 2011 Marlin is in the helicopter.... "When I take a stroll down Jackass Lane it is usually to see someone that is already there" Mrs. Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Thorne Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 [video:youtube] I'm guessing this isn't from The Discovery Channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Iverson Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Do honey badgers have to lock with the drummer, too? LOL Is a girlfriend or wife who is always giving you a hard time about something a honey badger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Thorne Posted August 3, 2011 Share Posted August 3, 2011 Is a girlfriend or wife who is always giving you a hard time about something a honey badger? Yeah, like I'm going to answer THAT question on a public forum... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markbassdude Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Honey Badger don't care. Honey badger will eat your guitar player, covered in bees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Iverson Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Guitar players aren't always good eating, considering what we put in our bodies. As far as what we put in our MINDS, let's not even GO THERE......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Jew Posted August 4, 2011 Share Posted August 4, 2011 Oh, that's nasty. \m/ Erik "To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists of breaking the enemy's resistance without fighting." --Sun Tzu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Kent Posted August 5, 2011 Share Posted August 5, 2011 Walley, Are you Walley (with Peggy-Lady Bo) that I played with in Cambell? Richie Kent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Malone Posted August 6, 2011 Share Posted August 6, 2011 Walley, Are you Walley (with Peggy-Lady Bo) that I played with in Cambell? Richie Kent Hi Richie, yes without the "e" in my name. Wally I have basses to play, places to be and good music to make! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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