Ross Brown Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Please bear with me if this is dumb. Sometimes I do that It is as if I think I know what I am talking about: Working on White Room (Cream) with the band last night, I noticed that I was ahead of the beat by what seemed like a lot. Perhaps because I usually find myself well behind. I havent gone back to the CD to give it a listen again, but I wonder if it was actually me way ahead or the drummer way behind. Sounded OK but was real interesting to me. I was trying different things ie holding back and playing on beat. Messed me up Could it be that this is actually a song that the bass is ahead of the beat or am I messing it up? Guitar and I were on same beat (I am usually a bit behind him too). "When I take a stroll down Jackass Lane it is usually to see someone that is already there" Mrs. Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABGBrian Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 You probably just need to listen to the song more to feel where that 1 falls. That's it. Once you can feel where the 1 is, where the phrase starts and ends you'll be fine. Official Website BandcampFacebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Brown Posted August 6, 2007 Author Share Posted August 6, 2007 Went back and listened to cd. Drummer is behind beat. Still sounds cool.... "When I take a stroll down Jackass Lane it is usually to see someone that is already there" Mrs. Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky McDougall Posted August 6, 2007 Share Posted August 6, 2007 Is the drummer behind the beat or is everyone else ahead of the beat. Rocky "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb, voting on what to eat for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb, contesting the vote." Benjamin Franklin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlrush Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Cream really kicked on that song. I had that LP when it came out, and used to listen to it on the hi-fi. 78 RPM vinyl, with the scratches and all. Dad, trying to watch the evening news, would holler from the other room for me to turn it down.That was 40 years ago and it seems like it could have been yesterday. Visit my band's new web site. www.themojoroots.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saxofunk Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Is it the 5/4 bits you're having trouble with? The version I have is on Jack's solo album Doing This.... on Ice! from a live performance. There's a a 5/4 section that pops up several times. I don't have the Cream version to compare it to so here's what I have to offer to describe the form: Starts in 4/4Extra verse: Higher on the wire... Jam a bit (8 measures, slow 4/4)5/4 bit (8 measures at tempo)V: In the White RoomC: I'll wait in this place V: You said no stringsC: Wait in the queue5/4 bitV: At the PartyC: Wait (Sleep) in this place*5/4 bitExtended outro in 4/4 (12 measures of glorious Jack Bruce fretlessness)5/4 bitcrash out. * Jack says "wait" in this version, the lyrics I found online say "sleep" - there are a couple other places where Jack changed things up but my point is to get you to the right location in the song. That may be a bit more than you're looking for, or not at all what you're after, but you made me listen to a CD I nearly forgot I owned and have never listened to outside my car. Suddenly, Jack is my man... he rocks. I owe you one. Good luck on this. Are you going fretless? - Matt W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABGBrian Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 The part in 5 is the opening segment and the bridge part. I think he was referring to the main verse riff. Official Website BandcampFacebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy from Motown Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 If you can't tell who is on the beat and who isn't, you should quit trying to be cute and just play on the beat. Playing with a metronome will show you where you tend to play in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Brown Posted August 7, 2007 Author Share Posted August 7, 2007 If you can't tell who is on the beat and who isn't, you should quit trying to be cute and just play on the beat. Playing with a metronome will show you where you tend to play in time. The drummer is off. "When I take a stroll down Jackass Lane it is usually to see someone that is already there" Mrs. Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Brown Posted August 7, 2007 Author Share Posted August 7, 2007 Is it the 5/4 bits you're having trouble with? The version I have is on Jack's solo album Doing This.... on Ice! from a live performance. There's a a 5/4 section that pops up several times. I don't have the Cream version to compare it to so here's what I have to offer to describe the form: Starts in 4/4 Extra verse: Higher on the wire... Jam a bit (8 measures, slow 4/4) 5/4 bit (8 measures at tempo) V: In the White Room C: I'll wait in this place V: You said no strings C: Wait in the queue 5/4 bit V: At the Party C: Wait (Sleep) in this place* 5/4 bit Extended outro in 4/4 (12 measures of glorious Jack Bruce fretlessness) 5/4 bit crash out. * Jack says "wait" in this version, the lyrics I found online say "sleep" - there are a couple other places where Jack changed things up but my point is to get you to the right location in the song. That may be a bit more than you're looking for, or not at all what you're after, but you made me listen to a CD I nearly forgot I owned and have never listened to outside my car. Suddenly, Jack is my man... he rocks. I owe you one. Good luck on this. Are you going fretless? Trouble is during the "V" from above... Not going fretless. Needless to say I am not playing it as well as Jack Bruce, but I do like playing it. "When I take a stroll down Jackass Lane it is usually to see someone that is already there" Mrs. Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddiePlaysBass Posted August 7, 2007 Share Posted August 7, 2007 Ironically the two worst versions of that song are on Jack Bruce's Live At The Canterbury Fayre and Cream's recent Reunion dvd's ... Great song, though. "I'm a work in progress." Micky Barnes The Ross Brown Shirt World Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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