CHarrell
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I haven't said this yet, but thanks to everyone's posts here, I've definitively decided to go for a CP4 when I get my next check or when I can sell my Minilogue XD, whichever comes first.
This will be the first time I've ever went backwards technologically with an instrument I've owned ...and I'm actually kinda excited. The features amd capabilities of the CP4 seem to be very distinct from the 88, so really I'm getting a "new" instrument. I'm excited to mess around with the SCM...people are saying the 88 has better electric pianos but I'm a tweaker (I also like changing parameters of instruments). It sounds really cool to change up an e piano to my liking--definitely wouldn't be something I do live, but usually it's instrument combinations and effects that I change up in those situations anyways. Having more sophisticated sound editing potential for different sounds is really nice, too.
So here I am, a CP88 fanboy...I look forward to giving y'all updates when I can snag one!
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5 minutes ago, pjd said:
Roland sometimes refers to as Behavior Modeling
Um excuse me, the proper term is SuperNatural.
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2 hours ago, drawbars said:
Probably never actually looks at my song list or listens to the MP3s I give her. Just another Boomer looking to play the songs he grew up with, right? 🙄 (For the record, I grew up in the '60s and '70s, and actually prefer songs from the '80s and '90s.)
Have you ever made an "EPK" video, maybe a kind of compilation of whachu got, and popped it on YouTube? The lesser the barriers and the more convenient it is to access your material, the better!
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12 minutes ago, AnotherScott said:
There's no inherent reason that could not be modeled. In fact, AWM2 cannot capture all the results of his adjustments, because it only captures a few representative points in the velocity spectrum of a given note, whereas in theory, with modeling, it would be theoretically possible to emulate the full range (i.e. up to the 127 MIDI velocities, without having to sample 127 velocity layers).
I was wondering the same.
12 minutes ago, AnotherScott said:But getting back to the CP300, that sound was resurrected in the CP88 (it was added in the 1.3 update, it's the CFIII), so if that's the sound you want, you can get it in a current model.
Heh, I never realized that's where that piano was from. They brought that from the CP300 to the CP4, then, I assume? (And probably most of their contemporary boards as a trickle down)
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4 minutes ago, JazzPiano88 said:
don’t think Yamaha has ever published any details on the method, but the consensus is that they are modeling and generating the frequency components (spectrum) of the short time Fourier Transform of the piano. The advantage being that all sampling artifacts associated with playing back the sound at various velocities and pitches are eliminated.
Ah is this part of what Blake Angelos would refer to in promo videos when he talked about "damper sensing" technology?
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4 hours ago, DovJ said:
The CP4 fingers-sound generation connection is the closest I’ve ever felt to an acoustic piano. There’s something about the “SCM” modeled AP’s and EP’s that works for me, whether I’m playing Bach, Debussy or rock
So exactly what on the pianos are modelled here? Is this their precursor to VRM? And is it really noticeable (in a positive way hopefully) compared to straight AWM2?
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4 hours ago, Dave Ferris said:
Hey thanks guys, appreciated.
Well you guys got me going again. 15 minutes away, I'm going in the morning to check it out.
https://www.guitarcenter.com/Used/Yamaha/CP4-Stage-Piano-118919441.gc?storeCode=&source=4WWRW
I actually called them up a week ago to inquire about the condition of that one, no fair! 😂
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1 hour ago, Dave Ferris said:
I used the CP300 till age 60, then got the "lighter" CP5 at 52 lbs.. I had some kind of older discontinued Yamaha soft bag that worked well for it. I would say 90% of the time I was able to handle it myself but I remember a couple of museum gigs where there were steps and no ramp or elevator and I needed help. But yeah for the time the CP300 was the best thing going until arguably the CP5 came along. And then many people still preferred the CP300. This lo-fi recording came out fairly well on the CP300.
Slick, Dave!
I have a lot of nostalgia for the CP300, it was the first keyboard I played where you could really tweak the sound in any capacity...I'd make an EP/strings layer with tremolo and felt like such a badass 😂
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On 6/12/2023 at 3:48 PM, JazzPiano88 said:
Chick Corea Elektric Band.
Man I'm so glad I came up in the last ten years.
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29 minutes ago, JazzPiano88 said:
Regarding the CP4 ease of use, it is true that you need to menu dive to choose effects and adjust adjust them other than for the reverb (can't remember about the chorus). But I think most people set up performances for their instruments with specific effects settings for what they need.
Would you say that's quick, though? Really, even "ergonomic" boards like the MP7SE operate this way, where you press a button to get you to the effects screen, then you choose your effect, then dial in the parameters. Granted, MP7SE does have lil rotary encoders you can use to immediately change any of the four parameters displayed on screen.
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Hm, that looks a little too barren on the front panel to be the 300, actually. Maybe the 5 or 1?
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Also, I reviewed some pics from Hermeto and Jovino's concert from a few weeks ago, they were not playing the CP4: I don't know what exactly, but it's a lot beefier! Possibly a CP300? One of my old roommates got one for like $200 a little bit over 10 years ago...the thing I remember most about it, besides getting a taste of programming by dicking around with tremolo settings etc., is lugging that damn goliath up a long flight of stairs for a weekly gig at a restaurant. 😂
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8 hours ago, SamuelBLupowitz said:
but the cover band thing isn’t really for me — I’m plenty busy playing interesting, original music (my own and other people’s),
Amen to that. Where you at?
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1 hour ago, Dave Ferris said:
Unfortunately my Sweetwater rep wasn't able to track a CP88 down at their new Phoenix hub, so my defective one was sent back and I guess I'll wait until they are re-stocked.
Sorry to hear that! I lived in AZ for a year and a half, the only thing you can count on is it letting you down. 😉
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4 hours ago, Bobadohshe said:
I have posted a bunch of times about this. Every few months I end up writing the same thing again on a new post.
I love the CP4. I do hundreds of gigs on it a year.
I have three CP4s. I get them repaired when they need it. One day they will be irreparable. I'm riding them until the wheels fall off in the meantime.
The CP88 while technically a successor to the CP4, is far from being "the same thing but newer and better". It has those toggle switches. It lost many of the extra sounds on the CP4. Yes it has better rhodes and wurlis, there's no doubt about that. But it's a little....jankier overall in terms of durability.
But the main thing I love about the CP4 is the piano sound and how it responds to the action. I can use the same piano patch to play a jazz set as I can do play Old time Rock and Roll. If I'm on a solo gig and play it in stereo I am so happy that I find that the fact that I'm playing a digital instrument almost entirely disappears as a road block to my inspiration. The same tone that is beautiful on its own in an intimate wedding ceremony setting where I'm playing Mendelssohn will fold wonderfully into a band sound. Jazz trio, 10 piece pop band, piano string trio, whatever.
I also love the physical 5 band EQ to the right of the controls. I use it all the time for cutting lows or giving myself a little boost of high mids during a piano montuno.
The interface isn't that hard at all. You have really worked yourself up about that. Man all these boards are so easy to use compared to anything 25 years ago that I don't think you can have any complaints. It is not a board where you constantly adjust your tone as you play, that is true. Although you can do that. It takes 2 seconds to add some reverb to a patch as you are playing, or like I said to EQ something, or to kick on your layered strings.
So go check it out.
Wow, how reassuring, thank you. Man I must seem like a ping pong ball with this. 😅 With the interface, would you say it's really quick to say: you have an EP with a chorus sound but you wanna change it to a phaser. Would you press n hold the insert effect A/B button to pull up the effect, then scroll to the effect you want based on category, then alter the parameters to your taste by cursoring your way to it (ex phaser rate), then scroll wheeling it? In practice, how fast and easy is that?
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1 hour ago, surfergirl said:
I live on Oahu, but I'm 45 to 60 minutes from Honolulu, depending on traffic
Oh, gotchu. I used to live in Mililani.
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2 hours ago, timwat said:
Yes demand here in the SF Bay Area is still quite strong. There are clubs, bars, weddings, corporate, originals, straight jazz, rock, funk, and all sorts of other types of gigs out here. There is sort of a list of players who have built a decent rep for being professional, showing up on time, learning ALL of the music, and generally not embarrassing you for hiring them.
2 hours ago, timwat said:The SF Bay Area has some well-known challenges - it's expensive to live here. But one of the many benefits is lots of active gig opportunities.
Similar story here in Seattle.
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2 hours ago, surfergirl said:
It's never been particularly good for us. Most of the good gigs are in or around Honolulu and that adds about 3 hours to the gig for travel and setup. Then the pandemic made it even worse. When we were in school 2013 to 18 it was pretty good. We tried the Rodeo thing, that was a disaster, it seems that even kids from the country aren't county enough. Then our lead guitarist moved to the mainland while his girlfriend finished Optometrist school. Our drummer is a fireman so we've had to work around his hours even before that. Now I'm busking with my half sister and having more fun than I've had in years.
Oh wow! Do you live on an island outside of Oahu?
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12 minutes ago, RABid said:
As for VST3, some very reputable developers that I trust came out saying the spec was a mess and Cubase should never have released it before fixing some problems. Some even thought that Cubase should give up control of the VST spec after such a disastrous release. It may have taken NI 10 years to update everything, but it also took Cubase a while to iron out problems in the spec.
Thanks for the added insight on this. Glad you got everything resolved!
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13 minutes ago, timwat said:
But I think at this stage of your development as a musician
Beautiful advice all around, and I think this kind of situation, as frustrating as it can be in the moment, is also just good for developing as a person. If this sort of thing goes unaddressed in a forthright way, it will inevitably lead to simmering resentment that will bubble over in ways that will create even more friction between you and the band members.
Your consideration in taking the rest of the band's feedback is admirable, and you've put a lot of effort into creating something that will please them, but you're a member of the band too! As such, your voice deserves to be heard! It's clear that you don't feel your needs being met, but as someone once told me, "Closed mouths don't get fed", and your band peeps ain't mind-readers.
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5 hours ago, drawbars said:
My next one was the Yamaha TX-81z -- or more accurately, *four* of them. I started with one, and immediately decided I needed another ... and another ... I got good enough at FM synthesis -- specifically, 4-op/8 waveform FM -- to eventually buy an MKB-500 (?) master keyboard and remove everything from my rig except an EP. I did everything on that TX rig: organ, pads, synth lead, guitars, you name it! In hindsight, some of the sounds weren't all that accurate, but it worked for a cover band in the late '80s!
Dude that's wild! You actually programmed those things?
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I'll be honest, I didn't care about it much til DAWs like Cubase announced they'd cut off VST2 support. On one level it's frustrating because of all the awesome VSTs out there that have been abandoned for years (still feeling the burn when practically every DAW dropped 32bit support), but on the other hand, VST3 has been out for almost 20 years at this point, so I can kinda get industry flagships trying to nudge technology forward by capping off an older format.
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I'm surprised they actually went and finally updated at least the majority of their plugins to VST3...only took them like a decade.
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Thanks so much for those insights, you two. *sigh* I have a feeling if I'd get the CP4, I'd just wish I'd be playing the 88. I need to do some thinking, but I'm probably gonna bump up my budget...what's the phrase, you either buy cheap or you buy twice? (...or...ya know.....three times..........)
So now here's a fun issue. Now that I'm thinking of getting a "current" board: it's been almost two years since the last CP update (and was a while before the other one)...Yamaha is frustratingly tight-lipped about this, but I wonder with all the overlap between the CP and YC, if the CP is unofficially dead. I've been on Ideascale for years and at this point it's basically a bunch of CP owners begging Yamaha for any kind of status update, let alone an actual keyboard update. And now, with the latest update, YC has now introduced a mechanical keyboard that even the CP88 doesn't have. Fodder for a 1.6 update? Sure, but there's just no guarantee at this point...either they're doing a mega update, or they abandoned ship on the CP88 entirely.
So now, if I can find one used, I'm tempted to do a @Michael Wright type solution and get a YC88, with a more promising future, along with a cheap but decent nothing-weighing 61 second board for the organ
I briefly owned the YC88 before its 1.2 update, which is when they really seemed to take things up a notch. Obviously, there are way more sonic possibilities than the CP, but there were some niggles I had with the interface. One of them was the effects, where you had to flip through the list of 30ish to get to the one you wanted. There's the shortcut effect-type buttons where you press EXIT and the switch to toggle through them, but those are so far apart that it was invariably a two-handed effort. This can be an issue when you're, you know, using two hands to play (the CK has this issue as well but it's somewhat mitigated by the effects types actually being listed on the panel with a knob to quickly scroll through).
I've been looking through the update release notes, but did they ever address that? Or has anyone found a good workaround to that solution?
2023: CP4 instead of CP88?
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A four hour drive. 😅