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VR700 CTRLR EDITOR 1.01.5 - major hotfix release
finally, the 'sporadic' muting of sounds when VR sounds are selected on editor (dropdowns) could be indentified and fixed.
Download and install is highly recommended
For download simply use the links given in previous posts
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13 hours ago, Stokely said:
I hate, hate, hate pics and videos of myself.
"cheeeea - you are on non of the photos"
"why should I ?"
"????'
"don't like"
"not a single photo of you"
"yeah - but look at the {monument|impressive cathedral|magnifigue landscape|lucky shot|ambient light|....}"
"errr ja, nice ... [not looking at anything] - no photos of you and your friends?"
"guess there is one , here" [photo of friends grinning into the camera like a horde of apes]
"oohh how beeaaaaautiful [starring at the photo] - but where is you on the photo???"
[starting to get pissed] "SOMEONE HAD TO HOLD THE CAMERA!!!!"
"BUT no photo of you!"
"Wait ... here - your photo of mine"
"BUT you're wearing a motorcycle helmet!"
"YESSSS !!!!"
"No photo of you! Why no photo of you"
"I HATE THOSE PHOTO 'ME IN FRONT OF BRIDGE, ME IN FRONT OF TOWER, ME IN FRONT OF BAR, ME IN FRONT OF THIS AND THAT AND THIS AND THAT...' "
"You're an abnormal person"
"Photographs are for the scene, not for having the same people grinning like apes and covering any photo"
"There is something wrong with you"
"You folks only want to adore yourself"
"You're an associal person!"
"Really? And you're are all just self-regarding egocentrics"
"There is something wrong with you"
"It's my thing, isn't it ?!"
"....... but WHY are you never on photos???!!!"
"AAAAAAHHHHHHH $*%T!!X}!& !!!!"
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2 hours ago, Delaware Dave said:
well, backordered means it's not discontinued. ever hear of the chip shortage?
https://www.genuinesoundware.com/?a=showproduct&b=42
seems it's discontinued. One still can find some NOS (in Europe) though.
An alternative is a 2nd hand StudioLogic VMK-161 'Waterfall' which is sold at (european) 2nd hand portals for ca. 200 bucks: first-gen Fatar TP/8o (longer keys than actual TP/8o), no organ high trigger.-
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1 hour ago, AnotherScott said:
Yamaha definitely calls the YC61 action semiweighted. I can't speak to whether or not there is actually weight added to the key, though what leads you to believe it does not?
no believe - YC61 keys have no weights added. It's a 'simplistic plastic hinge' action (no springs).
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1 hour ago, JamieT said:
While your definition makes sense, It is contrary to almost everything else that I have read. See https://hub.yamaha.com/pianos/p-digital/a-quick-guide-to-weighted-keys/ and https://pianotone.ca/fully-weighted-vs-semi-weighted/ and https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/keyboard-actions-explained/ etc. Are all of these sites wrong?
Roland states (Roland Shermany ' Piano knowhow') : half-weighted = 'normal keys' PLUS key-weights. Afair this is what the 'common understanding' is since decades
Me seems those definitions of halfweighted as 'with stiffer springs' or 'different escapment' are extremly diffuse and unprecise.
Probably more of a marketing buzzwording effort to attribute (cheap) unweighted 'piano-styled' bugdet keyboards some 'additional value' and dilute the fundamental difference between a spring action and a hammer action.
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23 hours ago, JamieT said:
I agree. I use a CT-S1 the same way (it has the same keybed as the CT-S500). I like the color options available with the CT-S1. I would describe the action as semi-weighted because it has some resistance when you press on the keys. I like the textured surface on the keys too (high-gloss keys are very slippery). Do you use the 1/4 inch audio outs on your CT-S500?
CT-S1 is un-weighted. Weighted have per definition a 'key-weight' (a metal plate fixed into each key' - theoretically one could also produce 'heavier keys without weights just by filling the key ends with 10-20 gramm plastic material - but afaik this does not exist as it would require completely different molds).
The Casios have slighly 'stiffer' synth-actions, with the keys themself being 'light'.
The feel between an unweighted and semi-weighted is very different though - this is simple Newton physics (momentum, inertia ... )
In the last years it happens more and more often that manufacturers delcare un-weighted as 'semi-weighted' - this is only for marketing reasons (it recently happened with Yamaha YC and CK - which are both unweighted keys) - frankly speaking it's a marketing lie. -
CTRLR EDITOR v1.12.20: bugfix & feature release
This bugfix/feature release fixes important bugs in V-SYNTH/VSSD and STAGE-RHYTHM and adds some new features:
- V-SYNTH/VSSD: added 'Cutoff Aftertouch Sens' and 'Level Aftertouch Sens' in FILTER/AMP section and 'Mouse-button/Wheel scrolling' buttons to PCM-Wave select box. Fixed fixed disfunctional pcm wave select box in V-SYNTH
- STAGE 'Rhythm' : added PAN, fixed disfunctional drumkit selector box, consolidated drumkit list
- ATELIER DRUM (kit): corrected false drum-kit list
- minor bugfixes
Handling improvement for those who use V-SYNTH/VSSD 'pcm-waves' : the new little 'mouse scroll' buttons at right hand of each pcm-wave selector box allow to scroll very fast through the pcm-waves by mouse-click or mouse-wheel
direct download : https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1_CJVGF0tACCxr1m0Y5yw7YLWEg1bvMF0
v-combo website : https://v-combo.webspace.rocks/editor-vr09-730-
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post Disco, pre Disco .... love Future Shock 'modernised fusion'.
than this "Future-2-Future Live" DVD (it's on YT but DVD has amazing 5.1 experience): a flight through modal and chromatic free jazz, spiritual concepts, hiphop turntable breaks, vocoded groove, world music, transcendental synth noise sound scapes and instrumental solos - a harmonical and rhythmical all-day journey packed in two hours that always leaves me physically exhausted.
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Thanks, amigo, you got me ! Imagine this sweet song - video with the Mickey Mouse piano ...
Ok, let's move over to Tom&Jerry ... well, honestly, even that would not match ... too 'classical'
Maybe the "DP" (Disney-Piano) suits those concert halls Sunday matinees for introducing the young into classical music ? (Seriously!)
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I like the piano graphics ... but when Lang Lang starts playing the 'combination' looks ... totally ridiculous 🤡
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On 6/16/2022 at 4:33 AM, AnotherScott said:
As shipped, the VR09/VR730 plays a maximum of two sounds at once (and they cannot have different effects), though you can go beyond that with this... https://ctrlr.org/roland-vr09-vr730-v-combo-editor/
don't want to be annoying in any way .... but please don't reference ctrlr.org anymore: the website is abandoned by its owner and 'out off date'
VR09/730 editor is here: https://v-combo.webspace.rocks/editor-vr09-730VR700 editor (which adds 'hidden' functionality to 700) is here: https://v-combo.webspace.rocks/roland-vr700-v-combo-editor
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CTRLR EDITOR hotfix v1.12.19 : 'GM2 volumes'
this little hotfix is only relevant to those (if there are any ... ) that use 'GM2-engine' mode in panel SOUND-GM2:
Fixes erratic behaviour of the 'channel volume' settings.
n.b. the release also adds 'hidden' pitch bend range of +/-15 halftones in kbd config (VR factory is 12 halftones )
direct download : https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1_CJVGF0tACCxr1m0Y5yw7YLWEg1bvMF0
v-combo website : https://v-combo.webspace.rocks/editor-vr09-730-
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10 hours ago, mrk7421 said:
You have to be computer savvy as Scott ls to get anything out of that board. It wasn't obvious to me or anybody I knew how to download into this. I saw no instructions .I think I even asked on this forum....but not obvious to a novice. Why did they put those crappy EPs in there? The acoustic pianos not much better.
You could have "read the f*****g manual" where it is explained
Or watched Dexibells excellent webinars on Youtube which, amongst all other things, explain step by step custom patch installation - afair there is an one hour plus video only about the EPs (download, install, layering, customising). Or you could simply have emailed Dexibell (I was 'only interested' in J7 but got detailed, friendly explanations to all my questions and was asked for personal opinion for improving the units).
You may not have liked the APs - or just missed download/install the timbres you like, as there is Hamburg, Yamaha, Bechstein, Fazioli, 'old French' + all their 'live/bright/etc' variants - the old FP10 is a ... err... 'rather non-brilliant' sound - maybe the warm sounding 'French' could have been yours. Definitely the APs are the exact opposit of 'crapp' - they are technically highly resolved, super long decay, no looping, huge polyphony, wide sounding resonances. The only thing one could complain that they sound 'overly perfect' - sligtly cold - which is a todays general trend (even Roland jumped on then train with their FP-X models)
Finally one has to understand that Dexies are italian made - Italians have a particular 'idea of sound' - it's their tradition of 'ancient' and popular music - and there's a good portion of it in the Dexibells (e.g. the tonewheel sound) - like it or not.-
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2 hours ago, AnotherScott said:
Yeah, tonewheel organ and VA synth are the big Roland advantages, along with drums and the additional "hidden" facilities available via the unofficial PC/Mac editor.
CK advantages--in addition to "acoustic pianos/grands, FX per zone, speakers, audio-to-usb"--include real-time control over 3 split/layered sounds (instead of 2), 4 external zones (instead of 1), Rhodes sounds, transistor organs, the ability to recall sounds with 8 buttons and over MIDI (as opposed to 4 buttons and no MIDI), and organ sliders send MIDI CC. (The audio over USB, MIDI zoning, MIDI patch change, and slider CCs combine to make it a better board for integrating external sounds.)
And in terms of other acoustic instrument sounds (besides pianos/organs), it's a mix, each has some advantages over the other there, I think.
100% agree (just one precision: on VR one can recall single sounds via midi but not complete 'registrations' - the latter being a pain in the a.... absolutely incomprehensible why Roland did not deliver a fix after all the owners claims)
Midi: right, VRs capabiltiy to control external gear is basically null (or at least complicated to setup with sysex-to-CC mappers) - on the other hand you can use an external controller to play VRs complete Roland GS/SC heritage sound palette ... like a XV or SC module ...
We could continue this 'shootout' CK vs. VR for hours - it won't make sense: although both cover the 'budget all-in-one-gigging-board' segment each has its strong points and weak points, none is 'better' or 'worse' - it's upon each ones 'spec sheet' to decide which of both fits in.
@CHarrell: right, the VA-synth is that of JP-80/Integra/Gaia
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9 minutes ago, CHarrell said:
I'm gonna say it: except for the organ section, the CK61 kicks the VR09's ass in just about every meaningful metric.
not sure (despite of being a notorious critic of VR09s flaws): few days ago tried the filters in CK (for synth related sounds): not only they are far far away from anything that could seriously be called 'resonance' - with reso at max (still far from what the synth nerds call eigen-resonance), in 95% of pads/leads the 'cutoff sweeps' induce awful artefacts: loud jumps, steps, cracklings, completely different 'sounds' - sometimes even alternating between R and L channel.
this is absolutely not the case with VR: you can use its filter to make sounds hurl and cry as in a 'real synth'.
At this point we still have not haven taken into account VRs hidden multi-layer/timbral zones with 4 zones and 9-fold timbrality which makes a huge difference when layering even classic fat brass/string background or solo parts. An then we yet have not talked about the ~2000 hidden GM/GS/Sound-Canvas sounds (e.g. by external controller).
the pros of CK vs. VR are: acoustic pianos/grands (a HUGE pro though), FX per zone, speakers, audio-to-usb
the pros of VR vs CK are: the not perfect but ways better organ engine (in all aspects including integration of pedal bass), the zones/mulitlayers, the synth-engine including Virtual-Analog, the easy-going usb-recorder (and if you like the inbuild rhythms, looper, d-beam controller)
--Seriously: try to achive something like this on a CK (this was just at the beginning of discovery of VR09 secrets, more sounds have been deflowered since ...)
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On 8/1/2023 at 4:37 PM, ImproKeys said:
Thank you! The linked discussion says it all. The difference to the behavior of a real piano is obvious, given the nature of the piano tone.
But it still feels strange and somewhat unrealistic playing other sounds. On the other hand, who am I to judge how a sustain pedal would work on a real string ensemble....out of curiosity (I could not remember that an acoustic 're-sounds' even 10 seconds after the key release) I just checked this on a) VR09 b) Casio Stage piano:
in both cases the damper works 'as it should':
- on all grand/piano sounds a damper action short time after key release re-enganges a (silent) outfading sound. This is because a 'piano' continues to 'vibrate' (the whole device and also the strings) for 1-2 seconds despite the dampers back on the strings. Relifting the damper allows the strings to 'recapture' the vibrations - but this is rather a kind of 'sympathetic reverb' sound, and it only works if the pedal is reengaged within those 2 seconds
- on any patch other than (acoustic) pianos, lifting sustain pedal does end the tones - pour toujours - no 'continuation' of the sounds release when repushing the pedal.
It seems what happens on the Yam that is revives the entire 'release phase' of a sound what is imho very different from the 're-damper' effect of a piano.
So either it's a bug (software glitch, constraint of the sound chip, etc) or it's a 'design philosophy' of Yamaha (for what ever reason) - or they don't have the 're-damper effect in the piano modeling and tried to compensate it with a 'workaround'
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VR700 CTRLR EDITOR 1.01.4 - please repeat download
those who already downloaded: please download again
(there was a bug that could appear when starting the editor)
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when VR700 entered the marked, its layering and splitting were the hottest wet dreams of any proud owner of a 'glorious Red' (who, of course, would have never admitted).
Even todays Electro 6D has less layering/split capabilities
R nearly went bankrupt because they missed (ignored ?) the transition of society from 'technical focus' to 'fashion' for a much too long time.
While 'the consumer' had shifted towards 'style' and 'shiny happy PR bubble-bubble', R continued to behave like a nerdish synth manufacturer in Smith/Moog style - quite unfavorable for 'big business' in modern times
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31 minutes ago, ElmerJFudd said:
It’s great that this is a passion project for you. I have a VR700 that has come in handy in a pinch many times. When I have some dedicated time I’d like to give tweaking it with the editor and dialing in some useful patches a try. Like the other VRs that came before it and after - it simply covers a lot of bases.
note that (at least for me) the 'hidden Cosm MFX' is a game changer: one can add to any Ensemble sound pedal-controlled wah, amp-types like 'JC 120' (or some guitar-hero blasters), the 'VR Rotary', customise the sympathetic resonance and EQ of Grands etc etc etc ... and layer 2 identical (!) sounds and 'detune' them for fat, warm synth pads (just created the obligatory Jump patch - what a difference to VRs thin, digital 'factory' Jump patch ...) ... and the whole MFX/layer/detune sh*t saves to onboard Favorites
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we already got 2 (!) handfull members 🤡
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VR700 CTRLR EDITOR : release 1.01.4
1.01.4 is the (long awaited) 'stabilised' version of former development versions 1.01.3 'beta'
It runs on Windows (XP - W11), OSX and Linux (not iPads!)
It offers a 'usable' UI, EDITOR FAVORITES, V-SYNTH for creating sounds, programming of 'hacked' VR700 COSM-MFX, 'live playing aids' like 'Hammond Preset keys', 'Live Synth Mode' (using VR pots for envelope or filter sweeps) , access to 'hidden' VR options for organ, EQ, reverb types etc
Please read the inbuild 'README', Quick Help and 'Browser Tutorial'. Set EDITOR from 'EXPERT' to 'NOVICE' mode and read the context related (?) button popups
Official Editor page:
https://v-combo.webspace.rocks/roland-vr700-v-combo-editor
Direct download ('experts' and lads with hysteric AntiVirus that prevents acces to v-combo website) :https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1KbBqdkDW8eYyAESh-qqkZmEN35g1SXwr
P.S. We added a pack of 'samples' that can be loaded into VR via EDITOR FAVORTES syx-import - see download link ...
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Hi folks,
Let's see if we can assemble a handfull of VR 700 owners for discussing Mrs Potemkin herself, CRLR Editor, exchange of user patches etc
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1049660709536784
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RELEASE: EDITOR v1.12.18 important hotfix
OVERVIEW:
A major bug has been fixed that opens a warn popups when a sound is loaded into solo, lower manual or bass voices
Minor bugfixes and improvements
ALL NEW FEATURES:
- VKEY: removed (x) 'close button' : VKEY closes now by pressing again the left menu [VKEY] button
- External Program launcher config: setting the 'path' for 'Windows Apps' (from MS store) massively simplified
- Added 'welcome' for new editor releases
ALL BUGFIXES:
- Fixed major bug that opens a warn popup when a sound is loaded into solo, lower manual or bass voices
- Fixed minor bug in MidiMapper 'V-organ' (missing 'rotary on/off' rule)
Download:
https://v-combo.webspace.rocks/editor-vr09-730
Direct download for those who have troubles to acces the webpage:https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1_CJVGF0tACCxr1m0Y5yw7YLWEg1bvMF0-
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Hi,
VR700 Editor v1.01.3 "beta4" release: there was a 'heavy' bug in previous beta releases that lead to 'ghost changes' on VR700.
beta4 fixes the bug and can be downloaded following https://v-combo.webspace.rocks/roland-vr700-v-combo-editor
For those who got 'security warnings': the webhoster is using 'modern' certificates ("Let's Encrypt").
These seem to occasionally cause problems with outdated Macs and hysterical 'antivirus' programs.
The site is neither infected nor 'dangerous' - believe it or not, that's your personal problem (in fact the site is the accumulated book of wisdom for Roland V-Combo 09/730 )
Those who cannot fix their security issues can download the editor directly from the google drive (it includes also a pdf 'screen dump' of the website showing installation instructions):
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/1/folders/1KbBqdkDW8eYyAESh-qqkZmEN35g1SXwr-
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Can we talk about the Roland VR 700 again?
in The Keyboard Corner
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right. the '730 Fatar spec' feels very much like the Hammond SK. The Nord 'spec' feels a bit different (some like it, some like because it's red, and some don't like it despite being red)