[Roland XV-3080 in the house! My rack synth cravings satisfied.]

3 hours ago, CyberGene said:

On the Roland website it says:

 

Massive internal wave memory includes incredible new sounds, plus all sounds from JV-2080 and a collection of waveforms from the JD-990 Super JD

 

Wondering if that means 128 MB 😀

Not even that much. 😃

JV-1080/2080 had an 8MB rom and JD-990 6MB. It's quite amazing what sonic magic Roland (and other 90's manufacturers) pulled out of those tiny memory spaces.

[The Sub-Mu Chord!]

21 hours ago, stoken6 said:

I submu = VII 6/9? Or am I missing something?

 

Cheers, Mike.

That's a great way of looking at it. Thanks Mike.

[California floods - how are the CA forum members doing?]

8 hours ago, TommyRude said:

...Very glad for the emissions controls that were put into place - I think back in the 70s?

Yup, EPA was part of Nixon's legacy

[OT - Hard Rock vs. Country]

6 hours ago, jazzpiano88 said:

 

There's a fine line between _____ and country.   Endlessly discussed over the years, jazz included.   Here's an example from the adjacent Michael Omartian thread on how Steely Dan was sort of actually country back in the 70s.  They used him for that sound.   Pay attention to the last line from the master..... "Yeah".  

 

 

 

 

 

This perfectly echoes the Warren Huart interview of Richard Niles I was watching the other day, in which Richard mentioned about his time at Berklee and Gary Burton's adventure with "Jazz/Country" fusion.
 

 

[The Sub-Mu Chord!]

We had a long chat about the "mu" chord a while back.

I just came across a sound I first thought was a "mu". But looking at the keys, it had a different root. Instead of 3--2-5-1, it plays as 7--2-5-1.

Not only does it retain the modern vibe of "mu", it sounds even more sentimental.
 

Sure, we can call it something like Iadd9/VII, Imaj9/VII, Vsus4/VII or VIIm#5b9, just like we named the "mu" IIIm7#5 and Iadd9/III. But "Sub-Mu" just sounds so much hipper!
 

Here's a quick demo of how it sounds in context:

 

 

 

 

[Music Materialism]

13 hours ago, HammondDave said:

Have to agree with Bill on this one….

 

https://fb.watch/q2a_sBpabY/?mibextid=cr9u03

 

Was gonna share this same vid yesterday, but these type of sentiment almost always gets a "OK Boomer" type of response from the more politically correct among us. I'm sure someone's simply gonna find some silliness in old school music to prove their point.

And to play the devil's advocate, it's not like "We're the World" changed much of anything, or "love and flowers" really made us any more altruistic than the Gen Z/Millennials.

[Can You Guess Which Library/Keyboard This Rhodes Sound Came From?]

1 hour ago, CHarrell said:

 

Does it not have LH/RH samples? (like a Snare Hit 1/Snare Hit 2) I know it took some time for sample libraries to adopt that as a pseudo standard

Not exactly LH/RH per se, but SQ does have two different snare roll samples. Although the end result sound hardly any better. 😆

With my crude MIDI programming skills, it looks like we'll at least need some round-robin single-hit or an actual drumroll sample to make it sound convincing.

 

 

[Can You Guess Which Library/Keyboard This Rhodes Sound Came From?]

1 minute ago, CHarrell said:

 

I can practically see the velocity ramp for the MIDI notes 😂 

I'm caught red-handed.

[Can You Guess Which Library/Keyboard This Rhodes Sound Came From?]

14 minutes ago, CHarrell said:

 

How are those on the HQ Quartet?

Not too shabby for a GM-ish rompler drumkit.

 

 

[Can You Guess Which Library/Keyboard This Rhodes Sound Came From?]

Time for the reveal.

Drumroll.... it's from Roland's 20-year old, largely neglected HQ Super Quartet.

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/superquartet-by-edirol

 

Considering this is only 1 out of the 70 programs from a 34MB ROM, Roland did a pretty good job there.

[Can You Guess Which Library/Keyboard This Rhodes Sound Came From?]

10 hours ago, CyberGene said:

So, after the first few straight-forward chords:

 

Gbmaj7(add 9) Ebm7/11 Abm7/9/11 Db7b9 Bbm7 Ebm7

 

What you use then as short passing chords is pretty nice and I believe is:

 

E(add9)/G# Ebm7/9/Gb B(add9)/D# Emaj7

(those are slash chords but not sure how to write them down with letters and I’m on my phone and can’t notate…)

 

Correct? 😀

Yup, you nailed it. Great ears!

Btw, there was a LONG thread from a while back on those slash chords. The "mu" chord seems to be a common tongue-in-cheek way to name them among the more cultured players.
 

 

[Can You Guess Which Library/Keyboard This Rhodes Sound Came From?]

23 hours ago, CyberGene said:

BTW, those tiny “transition” chords you play near the end are nice. Will try to figure out what they are later 😀

Glad you like it too. This tune was a demo for Native Instrument's "Elektrik Piano" package from years ago. I loved it and transcribed it into MIDI.

[OT - duckduckgo]

Same here, Google has become useless for many controversial political/geo-political topics.

And I have a feeling that it's just a matter of time DDG gives in. Maybe they already have, just less obvious than Google.

It seems Putin has less control over Yandex, than our 3-letter agencies do Google/Youtube 

[OT - Hard Rock vs. Country]

4 hours ago, D. Gauss said:

I'm not sure Hank done it this way...

"Country" has surely changed a lot over the years. I could listen to John Denver and Willie Nelson just fine.

[OT - Hard Rock vs. Country]

45 minutes ago, TommyRude said:

...he ran Def Leppard’s background vocals through a Marshall stack...

Now that's the kind of creative shenanigans I need to venture out with more often.

[California floods - how are the CA forum members doing?]

10 minutes ago, TommyRude said:

here’s my pad, slightly elevated so I think we’ll be fine

It deserves a Moog modular system 55 in every room... and then another one by the pool

[OT - Hard Rock vs. Country]

4 minutes ago, Dave Bryce said:

 

IIRC, Mr. Lange was married to Ms. Twain when he produced her record.

 

dB

That's how I used to delude myself: My producer hero got dragged into Country because of the power of love.
 

4 minutes ago, Docbop said:

Country is where old Rock and studio musicians retire to it's been going on since the 80's.  

 

True, Dan Huff immediately comes to mind.

[OT - Hard Rock vs. Country]

For the longest time, I've had a hard time understanding how Robert "Mutt" Lange went from producing Hard Rock for Def Leppard and Bryan Adams, stuff I absolutely love; to Country for Shania Twain, stuff I absolutely abhor.
 

I'm big on self-reflection and calling out my own BS. So I resisted the urge to throw up and played a couple of Twain and Leppard songs back and forth.
 

To my utter horror, once you look past the twang, the fiddles and mixing differences, they actually don't sound that much different.
 

Now I have to face the painful realization for the rest of my life: I might actually be a closet Country fan.
 

 

 

 

[Can You Guess Which Library/Keyboard This Rhodes Sound Came From?]

1 minute ago, CyberGene said:

I think almost every keyboard has a similar Rhodes sound. A bit too bright and bell-like for my taste though. 

That bright, bellish sound is likely the biggest appeal of the "Model E" and "Dyno" mods. I certainly wouldn't use them for Funk tracks, but for WestCoast style ballads they are a staple.

[Can You Guess Which Library/Keyboard This Rhodes Sound Came From?]

2 hours ago, jazzpiano88 said:

Pure guesses
1. Motif

🤝 I would have guessed Motif's ChorusDyno patch on a blind listen too.
 

1 hour ago, TommyS said:

This is a wild guess:   the Famous E    

🤝  It's certainly got that "Model E" vibe.

[Can You Guess Which Library/Keyboard This Rhodes Sound Came From?]

1 hour ago, o0Ampy0o said:

...Maybe you could provide some hints?...

Let's just say that the reveal will be surprising for a lot of us 😃

[Can You Guess Which Library/Keyboard This Rhodes Sound Came From?]

2 hours ago, Dave Number Four said:

I'll be impressed if someone gets this. Could you give us a dry version without the chorus?

Happy to oblige.

[Can You Guess Which Library/Keyboard This Rhodes Sound Came From?]

[Music Theory Necrophilia]

I don't get the point of archiving/locking older threads related to music theory.
 

They are not information that goes out of fashion like gear news.
 

For example, this question from @zephonic can be answered 20 years from now for all we care, and still retain its relevance to the viewers.

For what it's worth, here's my response:

Thanks for sharing this piece. I'm an Azymuth fan but have never heard that piece before.

To my crude ears, the first two chords are a rootless A13b9 and a DoM7 (diminished major seventh). "maj7b5" doesn't work here because a diminished 3 is present in both chords.
 

"A13b9", because I hear a V7-I progression, as evident in the attachment, once we give the 1st chord a root and finish the progression with a Dmaj7.
 

It can also be seen as a polychord: F#(upper)A9(lower). But that's just over-complication.
 

And the 2nd one can be seen as C#/D, if only for the ease of recognition.
 

It's interesting that you mentioned the 2nd chord's symbol on the 1st one. It points to the similar upper structure between the two chords, but the B and E in the 1st chord prevented it from being a GoM7.

 

 

 

 

[All Frasier intros transcribed]

My favorite is the 6th piece. However, there are quite few nits in the transcription:
 

1) It's in the key of F, not Eb.

2) The first chord is a C major or C dominant, serving as V, not a minor.

3) The second chord is Eb13b5 with 9. Marking it as F/Eb misses the quiet Db note and obscures its dominant 13 nature. This is a benign one since F/Eb is easy to play at a glance and only sounds slightly blander.

4) The third chord is D9sus4, the piano staff missed both an A and E note, and sounded too bland as a result. Marking the chord as Bb69/D not only obscures the dominant nature of the chord, but also risks introducing a Bb note that significantly changes its sound, in a bad way.

5) The top G note of the third chord is already played by both the guitar and the vibraphone. Repeating it yet again, on the piano, is just bad arrangement that wasn't in the recording.