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Oh, okay, gotcha, this bit sounds definitely useful, will keep it in mind if someone tries to sell me something more expensive arguing by polyphony alone. I played a lot of Yamaha uprights at the local music school, which all have about the same feel to it (medium) and also practice Steinway grand which I found super heavy. I would prefer something between those two, as I don't want my hands to get accustomed to something light, when I will find playing real pianos super hard afterwards. Interesting, I found the action of Roland FP-90 similar to Yamaha lower P-series (115, 125), i.e. not particularly enjoyable. So, I wouldn't expect FP-30 to be performing any better (if higher number = better instrument). Kawai CN-27 still looks good in my book, I touched it and the local Kawai dealer offers 10 year warranty (provided there's no catch to it). I will see how long the warranty is on Yamaha P-515 once I get to try it at the shop. With DPs I seen a lot of threads/videos describing/showing bugs in action, velocity sensitivity etc. I want to buy something that will last long and if not, at least they will repair it in case something shows up.

I tried googling, but I couldn't find nice and sturdy looking stand for that one (not the X type). Moreover, with the stand, triple pedal and bench, it probably goes over $2000 again, so CN-27 might be a better option (considering the action is the same: RH3)

Thank you very much for your input

Did you try P-515? I found the following on the internet (https://www.yamahasynth.com/ask-a-question/action-on-cp40-compared-to-cp4): And this is what I'm concerned about. Natural Wood is not a full wooden key and even if it was, if the internal mechanism is not replicating a part of the real action, the overall feeling is not realistic.

I don't care about the weight, it's for my home practice

How good is the sound generation in P-515? Does it feature sympathetic resonance? Edit: whoah, I actually read up on P-515 in more detail online, and I'm surprised! They sample from Bosendorfer Imperial (the famous 97 key grand), it comes with 256 notes of polyphony (Kawai CN-27 comes with 192) and you can actually play around with various types of resonance, not only sympathetic (weakly coupled oscillators) but also what they call "damper resonance" (I guess that would be when you hold down the sustain pedal and play one note, every note responds with an amplitude depending, again, on the ratio of the frequencies), aliquot resonance ("how much overtone you'd like", though I'm not sure why it affects only top three octaves) and body resonance. This sounds very good!

Thank you, it is very nice, but without a car 200 miles is as close as 250...

Okay, thanks for the advice. I just did.

Well, I'm deciding mainly between Kawai CN-27 (local shop, tried) and Yamaha P-515 (hopefully I can audition it at another local shop). If the local dealer says that he doesn't have better models and I should go to Atlanta, I choose amongst those who are willing to work with me. Sometimes it's also about customer's experience...if those two options didn't exist, I would probably order online and hope for the best, but now that I have an option to try models that actually sound good right there in the shop, why not...

So should I try one of those casios El Lobo mentioned in his post and then keep it and buy a triple pedal unit and stand if I like it or return it if I don't?

So I went to Guitar Center, the only good thing in terms of action they had was Roland Juno-DS88 (doesn't have speakers, stand sold separately...). They also have a bunch of Yamahas and a console DP called "Williams". Never heard of it but its action was no good. I asked them about DPs with a better action and the guy told me that to try something better I should go to a bigger showroom, in Atlanta (4.5 hours away). Though I might've bumped into a person who doesn't know much about DPs, as it's called Guitar Center.

Tallahassee, FL

Thank you very much for the bundles you found! However, at that price range Kawai CN-27 (RH3 action) is already a small cabinet style piano (no stand needed), has internal speakers, comes with a bench and my local dealer offers it at $1700. Though your setups are definitely useful if one tries to find different, not necessarily cheaper, alternatives.

One of the local dealers says he is an exclusive Kawai dealer and the other shop they seem to focus mainly on Yamaha and they say they don't have Casio. So...If I wasn't concerned about money, I would try it, but if I'm buying something, I have to be sure about it (i.e. touch it myself). Thank you very much for your input though!

Thank you for the tip! I looked online and the action is said to be RH3, i.e. the same as in CN-27? However, it doesn't come with a stand and pedals, which puts it at $2000+ range (for the whole bundle)...what sets it apart? Thanks, definitely looks useful! If other options fail, I might go for this option, however since that thing lacks speakers and triple pedal unit (neither me or the shop employee I talked to found one), I would rather not. Thank you Mike for your answer! Yes, P515 sounds amazing from what I read about it and I'm curious whether my local shop can get one to demo. I might do what you suggested, but you mentioned costs...yes, while shops might be courteous enough to include free shipping, I would probably have to pay a lot to ship it back in case I want a return.

@Keepitsimple If only I didn't live in a sh*tty hole where dealers say "sorry that's a high-end instrument, we don't keep that kind in stock, you have to go to a bigger showroom to see that" and suggest a city 5 hours away. I don't have a car, so...$100 bucks spent on a bus is $100 bucks less towards the instrument itself. From what I've seen locally only Roland Juno DS88 and Kawai CN-27 had a proper action, I also tried Roland FP-90 and didn't like it. Not sure about the difference between FP-90 and FP-140, I'm not super optimistic. @CEB the cabinet style didn't occur that big to me when I looked on the internet, but you might be right...but still, I wouldn't need professional piano movers to move something of a weight and size of a desk...just take another pair of hands, put it inside a truck and haul it across the country, right? @Kawai James - great nick! ^_^ well, this is what I'm hoping for, but my local dealer is telling me generic brochure BS on how Kawai is exceptional amongst other brands and the higher price has its reasons. While I totally agree that Kawai is amazing (the digital piano he has in his showroom totally got me hooked up the first time I touched it), there is only so much I can afford, so... but totally, if he's willing to drop the price at least a bit, I wanna work with him, if he can provide a good deal compared with the music store right next door. @Jazz+ I checked PX-S1000 and I don't know the action ("scaled smart hammer action"). I can ask local dealers whether they have it so I can touch it, but I'm not sure anyone in this town does

@ElmerJFudd - I got most of my ideas from pianoworld, I just wanted to ask here as well @chigson - does it simulate sympathetic resonance, or is it matter of the software one uses to produce the sound? @fjzingo - CP88 is above my budget. I'd much love to have a piano, but there's just too many arguments against that: 1) I'm a grad student, I'm not staying here forever and moving it is a hassle. I'd probably sell it and buy another one where I'll move, which seems like a hassle. DP can be transported easily in a car. 2) Acoustic piano is a loud instrument...I have roommates and I don't think they would appreciate hearing the same thing over and over again as I'm practicing it. 3) I want to record what I play to a computer without using a complicated microphone setup

Hi, I don't know if this is a good place to ask so I'll just drop it here. I'm looking for a digital piano under $2000 that simulates the action of an acoustic piano as faithfully as possible. My candidates so far are: Kawai CN-27 tried it, like it, but a bit too pricey at around $1800 Korg G1 air didn't try, but it sounds good from the description...any ideas? 120 polyphony seems alarmingly low, considering that one note can use up to 4 oscillators Roland F-140 didn't try and I'm hesitant, I tried F-90 and I don't like the action. Does 140 have the same action? Roland Juno DS88 tried it, like the action, but it doesn't have a cabinet-style stand (just the flimsy X), lacks triple pedal unit, doesn't feature sympathetic resonance Yamaha P-515 didn't try it (sadly, I live in an area with not as many music stores as I would like), but they say it has natural wooden feel to the keys but I'm skeptical, as other from P-series (45, 115, 125) feel nothing like a real piano From the description the Grand Feel II action (Kawai) sounds really good, but instruments featuring this action are crazy expensive. Many times the catch is that the instrument itself is cheap (e.g. $1200), but you have to buy a stand, bench, pedal unit...some synths don't even have spekers, external amplifier and speakers are assumed (like Roland Juno DS) so we're at around $1600 again. I actually like the elegant cabinet-style of Kawai CN-27 with the rolling cover, pedals and bench included. That price tag tho Any other brands and models I should be aware of? What else did you try and you like it? Thank you.