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    Yamaha Genos

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    Hi --

     

    I finally had a chance to play a Genos. I posted comments and audio snippets of the Super Articulation 2 (SArt2) voices in action at:

     

    http://sandsoftwaresound.net/genos-snap-review/

     

    I plan to use the Genos at my church gig, so the review skews toward emulation of acoustic, orchestral instruments. It does quite a good job at this task. The styles and arranger stuff is for fun and practice -- not needed on the job.

     

    Hope the info helps out -- pj

     

    Music technology blog: http://sandsoftwaresound.net/

     

    Yamaha Genos

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    Hi Jerry --

     

    Glad to hear you're going to write a review!

     

    Two things that would be helpful are a list of newly sampled voices (vs. Tyros 5) and a list of the new DSP effects. Some folks -- myself included -- are comparing Genos vs. Montage so it would help to know what's new and above Montage voice- and sample-wise, too.

     

    It's harder to do this kind of analysis for Genos and other Yamaha arrangers since Yamaha doesn't publish a waveform list for its arrangers (even though its possible to do some waveform-level editing in the Yamaha Expansion Manager application). Speaking of YEM, it would be good to know what Yamaha has planned for YEM and apps.

     

    Does Yamaha provide any assistance or answer questions during the review process?

     

    Thanks and all the best -- pj

     

    Yamaha Genos

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    Hi --

     

    I had a chance to think a little more about the Genos specs. There is quite a big jump in the number of Mega Voices, Super Articulation voices, and Super Articulation 2 voices -- a bigger increase than we've seen with previous Tyros-to-Tyros upgrades.

     

    This is enabled by the new tone generation hardware.

     

    I think the end result will be highly detailed, expressive voices that are fun to play. It ain't no accident that Yamaha added a third articulation button in addition to the knobs and sliders.

     

    I can't wait to play this thing!

     

    More at: http://sandsoftwaresound.net/genos-articulation-future/

     

    All the best -- pj

     

    Yamaha Genos

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    I once read somewhere that Yamaha usually releases their latest high-end sample playback/articulation technology in their high-end arranger and Electone lines (sold only to Asia/Latin America) first. That tech later trickles down to the workstation products (eg. MOTIF).

     

    Much truth here, although the two product lines trade 8s, technically speaking. The Genos picked up the EPs released in Montage. The Montage picked up the orchestra strings from the Tyros 5. On and on.

     

    A large part of keyboard cost is sampling and new sound development. The CFX grand was developed for the Montage and now appears in the Genos. The Genos has a new C7 grand sample. The cost for all of this sound development has to be picked up somewhere by somebody. I think Yamaha throws a fair bit of this cost into the price of the Genos.

     

    Hey, hey -- pj

     

    Yamaha Genos

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    For a lot of traditional style home players, the arranger replaced the home organ. The home organ market is nearly nonexistent. As well these are popular with OMBs. The price of the Genos is right inline with the Tyros it replaces. The 61-key Tyros is $5300 vs. $5500 for the 76-key Genos.

     

    Busch.

     

    Has anyone ever profiled these home players? I am thinking they may be retired with tons of disposable income , thus dropping cash on this board.

     

    If we look at the home organs sold in the mall back in the day the price they sold for with inflation would be comparable to the Genos today?

     

    All true. On the PSR Tutorial Forum, there are folks who have pre-ordered.

     

    The Tyros and PSR seems especially popular with entertainers in Europe. Schläger music is big in Germany with many variants elsewhere. Nothing like hanging out in a biergarten with a few hundred of your close personal friends. :-)

     

    All the best -- pj

     

     

    Yamaha Genos

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    Yamaha Genos USA pricing

    http://sandsoftwaresound.net/genos-genesis/

     

    That quote came from a hit from a google search on "price", it was stand alone..

     

    Aaaaaaaaaay, no problem. I was just amused as I was about to post the link. :-)

     

    Yep, I agree $5500 street is pretty steep. For that much, I can buy a Montage6 and the replacement for the MOXF when it's announced, and still have money left over.

     

    S970 is a terrific instrument; I use an S950 for practice and home stuff. My main gig instrument is an MOX6.

     

    All the best to ya -- pj

     

     

     

    Yamaha Genos

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    Because I'm a simple-minded guitar/bass kinda dude, can someone clarify the difference between the Genos and the Montage? I thought the Montage was the new be-all, end-all, and now this thing comes along. Are they for different applications? Is this the new top o' the line, replacing the Montage? The Montage is expensive enough, and yet this one's even more. What's this thing bring to the table that the Montage ain't already got (aside from more money for fewer keys, vis a vis the Montage 88)?

     

    Grey

     

    Hi Grey --

     

    Short story: Genos is targeted for one market segment and the Montage is targeted for another. Montage is what Yamaha thinks is a synthesizer and Genos is targeted for stage performers, one man bands, in particular. Home players have adopted the Genos because it is a high-end extension of the arranger workstation line.

     

    They share a lot of technical DNA including samples and some voices. Features like voice editing, sequencing and so forth are segment-specific (in Yamaha's view). Quality is high at the top of both product lines.

     

    Choice of Montage vs. Genos comes down to musical goals. What does a player need for performance? The studio? ...

     

    Hope this short answer helps -- pj

     

    Yamaha Genos

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    Yamaha Genos USA pricing

    Posted on September 28, 2017

     

    News flash! The Yamaha Genos will come in one model: 76 keys. USA manufacturers suggested retail price, also known as MSRP or the retail list price, will be $6799. The minimum advertised price, known as MAP or the street price, will be $5,499. All prices are U.S. Dollars (USD).

     

    Hi --

     

    Thanks for re-posting that from my web site. :-)

     

    I wrote up some initial opinions, specs, etc. at:

     

    http://sandsoftwaresound.net/genos-genesis/

     

    Feel free to browse around the rest of the articles, too.

     

    I do recommend the Martin Harris demo. Martin is one of the lead developers and he usually focuses on the sweetest spots in a new release from Yamaha. Montage players should smile in a few places along the way.

     

    All the best -- pj

     

    Music technology blog: http://sandsoftwaresound.net/

     

    Praise band "perils and pitfalls"

    in The Keyboard Corner

    Posted

    The conflicts sound all too familiar. Our parish just hired a new music director after we coasted with a leader who picked tunes and handled scheduling on top a day job and other church-related responsibilities. The current MD is well-aligned with the pastor's vision, but some conflicts occasionally spring up with the old ways of doing things. (The pastor is relatively new, too.)

     

    Overall, I'm glad that I'm "just a follower." Put the chart in front of me and I'll do my best. Sure, I have favorite and despised tunes, but it's a privilege and responsibility to play. The tunes I dislike might be someone else's favorite. And the _congregation_ comes first. (Ministry = Service)

     

    I try to support the leadership and to encourage the rest of the team members as much as possible. At the very least, we all have that little voice inside that criticizes us, etc. and we all need support and encouragement.

     

    Finally, if it stops being fun, then maybe it's time for a sabbatical. Better to take a break than burn out.

     

    All the best -- pj

     

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