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Thanks, I was wondering about the Radial USB Pro, as it does not have its own driver and is just plug and play. The Key Largo is again more than I need for my particular usage. IK technical support assure me the iRig I/O Pro will work great with the WASAPI driver.
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I am looking for a new USB audio interface for my live keyboard set up.. However, I only need a stereo output, basically just a DAC. I don"t need any inputs and most definitely not any mic pres and don"t want to pay for that or have the unnecessary bulk to carry around. So I have been looking at IK iRig I/O, Apogee Jam+, as well as even possibly Audioquest Dragonfly. My main concern is latency and if these interfaces are up to the task. None of them have their own drivers and rely on WASAPI and or ASIO4ALL. Anyone have any experience with any of them...or suggestions?
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If anyone can provide or point me toward a quick step-by-step on doing that, I'd appreciate it.
Go to
Ihttps://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/index.php?R=INIT&FV=free-software-related-products&CV=Other%20Filter&PSEL=freesoftware
and download free Custom Shop (if you have Amplitube or T Racks,you already have Custom Shop).
Open Custom Shop, go to Amps and you will see a few Leslie options, choose one and Custom Shop will give you option to buy or demo.. Go to Cabinets and do the same.
That's it. I don't believe Leslie comes up in the "Collections" option... so you only get a few Leslie amps/cabinets to try, not the full collection.
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I've been a VB3 user for many many years. After demoing VB3II and Blue3II (bummer to me that B5 can't be demo'd) I felt it wasn't really so much a question of one being better than the other, as they were all good, just different. But at one point I did demo Amplitube Leslie and using that with all of them absolutely made much more qualitative difference than any difference between the plugins themselves.
So I figured B-3X would be a clear winner. But after a couple of hours with the demo, I'm not positive it is. First problem for me is the cpu hit is severe. I'm running on an old laptop, i5, 8gb ram, but I run Diva in Divine mode no problem B-3X was right on the edge.
As it's sampled (partly?), the presets take a second or two to load. Otherwise it seemed pretty cool. I only have VB3 VI to compare with at the moment, but I most definitely can not say it is head and shoulders above even that. B3X has quite a bit more to tweak and FX etc so it is very possible with some work and time to maybe come up with something that does in fact blow me away. But quickly dialing in similar settings didn't have any clear winner... even in terms of the Leslie, which is puzzling me the most.
It definitely is a great sim, excepting cpu hit for me.. But I don't feel it quite hit me like how I remember using Amplitube Leslie with VB3 I and II and Blue3 II.
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Not going to get into the vs thing, but I love Elton's live performance on this tune. I wish he had written more like it:
[video:youtube]NfKsH_g39Rc
Best,
Geoff
Had not heard that. Im impressed. Has he other tunes like that?
Yeah that's what I was trying to say! Definitely has other tunes and performances like that. That entire album is great. Just a trio. They JAMMED! He had come over to play in US on strength of "Your Song" and everyone was expecting the usual singer songwriter of the day, ala James Taylor etc... but this trio blew minds and expectations.
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I saw Elton John at MSG in 1976 at the height of his pop stardom. Although I liked some of his stuff and had a few albums, I only went because my friend's little sister and her friends gave me a ticket to drive them down there. But I was blown away. Despite the theatrics and pop trappings... this band jammed!!! I actually found the show online some years back and was even more impressed.There was actually Phish like atonal jams, a Grateful Dead like Drums/percussion/electronica solo, all sorts of extended improvised jams and deep cuts. Opened the show with a 12 minute Hercules (not exactly a hit song) that included a solo piano interlude). Encored with "Tell Me When The Whistle Blows" (w/ The Harlem Choir) a favorite of mine... a deep cut from a rather overlooked album at the time. And hit all sorts of crazy highs and places in between. I saw many great shows at MSG but that place never bounced and swayed like it did at the show closer Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting." An absolutely mind boggling show, incredible playing, but just never imagined Elton John would take that crowd to some of those places.
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...anyway, I was wondering how you got to test drive B5? I'd really like to try it but no demo that I am aware of.
After all my comparisons with Blue 3, and VB3 I & II, I think my final determination is that using Amplitube Leslie with any of them provides the biggest benefit, rather than any particular difference between them. By themselves I think they are all good and I like and dislike a few things in each.
On their own I think Blue 3 comes out on top just because the the fast Leslie in VB3II doesn't work for me at all. But there is a vague dryness or deadness to Blue 3, while both VB3 I & II are just a bit more alive. But these are small things (and probably personal things) and they all do the job quite well. And with further work under the hood, they all offer so much adjust ability I'm sure most things could be addressed adequately.
Ultimately I am content with VB3I for now..maybe getting Amplitube Leslie at some point..or hoping Guido updates the Leslie on II...or maybe Blue 3 gets nice update etc.
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So I can't speak exactly to what Guido actually meant... but I do know that English is not his first language, and the context was to provide some tweaks to help decrease the intensity of the fast Leslie in VB3II.
I just assumed he meant there is a small amount of "dry" signal coming off the speakers that does not get directed into the horns or rotor. And he has a parameter to mix in more or less of that dry leak.
I don't think his reference to the cabinet was in relation to a dry signal, he was just pointing out another adjustable parameter that might help.
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I carry everything, including stand (which is K&M table top stand, so big and bulky) and seat in a hockey bag. They have some with wheels as well
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I will say CP5 says absolutely amazing being played by @Dave Ferris.
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I think the main difference was the CP4 was lighter and had new CFX sound engine, which some thought was improvement and others not so much.
@jazz+ good thread here also
I read a lot of posts over the last weeks describing all the advantages and improvements of the CP4 over the CP5. Well, I guess it is also time to highlight some things which I believe are still strengths of the CP5:- The CP5 is built like a tank. I had to take it apart this weekend to fix a key and let me tell you the thing consists only of wood and metal. Yes, thats why it is so heavy. On the other hand, the CP4 seems to me much easier to be damaged while being carried around
- Real time controllers: I completely miss the possibility on the CP4 to change some things in real time. I agree the user interface on the CP5 is a bit special but you could define for every sound program 3 effect parameters for the large controller knobs. This is gone for the CP4
- Layering: I actually enjoy the fact that I am able to layer up to 4 sounds with my CP5. This can generate really nice fat sounds for live playing. Only 2 layered parts for the CP4
- Effects: even having a not so straight-forward user interface in the CP5, I found it more intuitive to edit effect parameters. Also I believe not all parameters, especially in the pre-amp sections, are still available in the CP4
- Call it cheesy, but I liked to play along with some of the internal drum loops. I know some people complained about them but switching on the piano and just play along some beats can be a nice usage of some spare time
- No microphone input for the CP4: this could be a nice feature in small setups
- Design: I think the CP5 looks really cool, a little bit like a 70s E-piano. The CP4 looks like a cheap plastic keyboard
I know some things are very subjective. Nevertheless I wanted to point out some nice features since the CP5 is not in the stores anymore and everybody just talks about the CP4. RIP CP5!!!
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Midinut, this is what Guido wrote me about taming the fast Leslie on VB3II...
If the fast speed sounds too pulsating for you, you might try to:
- increasing the Distance parameter
- increase the Mid. Reflections parameter
- increase or reduce the Doppler Intensity just a bit
Also, a real Leslies lets a little portion of the dry signal get
through from behind the speakers, you might want to adjust this using
the Dry Leak and Bass Port parameters.
The Cabinet parameter lets you adjust the amount of wooden cabinet
that is mixed into the sound.
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Did I say that???? I actually did figure out how to demo the Amplitube Leslie.. it wasn't easy!! But I do have to say that it is, as many have said before, FANTASTIC!!! VB3II, which I wasn't that keen on, sounds amazing through Amplitube Leslie. VB3I also sounded great. Blue 3, which I really like, sounded quite weird through it. There are probably further tweaks to Blue3 to make it more compatible, but I didn't get into that. It was to much fun fun fun playing VB3II. If I hadn't missed the $79 deal I would have bought it, but at $129, VB3I is good enough for the moment.
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Man I went to NYC immediately when they got the Roland RD2000 on the floor. I wanted to love that keyboard so much. I thought they had really nailed it on so many fronts, particularly as a controller and loved those leds on the endless rotarys and faders... audio over usb and on and on. I was ready to ditch the CP300 and was looking at new ways to stack my second keyboard with the RD2000.
But I just didn't LOVE it when I played it. Don't get me wrong it was great, but the piano just ever so synthy sounding and the action just not quite there for me.. not quite the dynamic punch when digging in like on the CP300. I may actually still buy one, just wasn't enough to make me walk out with one at that moment. I love my CP300.
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Hey thanks ewall08530. You've got me thinking maybe the $200 might be a worthwhile investment. Those other extras along with what you consider to be superior piano patches are probably worth it. New S3000 or used CP33?
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Right, I understood those patches you mentioned you were not on 1000, it's just seemed like you were including the action as well as being different. And I just need a quality piano sound... are you saying those patches (stage piano and ambient) are in such a different league? Like the main piano sound is not really usable but those are?
I just have no opportunity to demo the Casio myself, so really apprecaier the inoput.
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The action and basic piano sound are identical on 1000 and 3000 no? For my purposes for this I don't need what I understand to be the extras of 3000. I just need it to be quality action and Grand Piano sound. Acceptable quality..you know what I mean... i know that is different for for everyone, but I mention the CP300 only in the sense that if it is way off from that kind of action and piano sound I'll just keep lugging the CP300. But if its good enough, I'm only using it for a limited, specific handful of gigs a year.. and don't need any other features...although as I mentioned the audio input of Casio is sometimes useful for this situation...and the battery power means I might use it in other different circumstances
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Great suggestion on the CP33!! I am seeing them for around $800 amd although a little more $ and a little more weight and of course used, going to seriously consider that. I definitely won't be selling my CP300 any time soon though. It is so integral to my live stage set up in so many ways
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I really appreciate the opinions so far! I checked into a Yamaha CP 4 but still $1,400 on Ebay. Right now, financially my situation is that I'll just keep schlepping the CP300... unless at $600 and with that degree of portability these things actually do kick ass "enough" to do the job.
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From this thread https://cgi.ikmultimedia.com/ikforum/viewtopic.php?t=14883
T-RackS Leslie:
-- is a single plug-in, which will run in a DAW, T-RackS 5 (the (free) Custom Shop program or a paid-for edition) or the TR5 Suite plug-in,
-- the GUI has 3 panels,
-- the first panel is for the Setup, Amp and EQ controls
-- the second is for selection of amp (from 5) and cab (from 6) and for mic positioning,
-- and the third is for mic mixing,
-- the Amp controls look generic.
AmpliTube Leslie:
-- is 11 separate gear models: 5 Leslie Amps and 6 Leslie rotary-speaker cabinets
-- they can only be loaded into the AmpliTube program or plug-in (the free Custom Shop program or a paid-for edition, v4 onwards),
-- in AT4 CS the Cab Room GUI will look and be simpler (as for other AT cabinet models),
-- the Amp controls are on each AMP GUI, which look like the different models,
-- pop-out panels on the Cabs show Cabinet selection, mic mixing, EQ, (and speaker and room browser?),
-- you can (when released) download full working models from the AmpliTube Custom Shop and try them out free of charge,
-- I presume that they can be mixed and matched with other AT4 gear models.
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Yes I was thinking I should include that in my original post. I would not be expecting to use the internal speakers. I rarely do for this situation even with the CP300.
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Yes I was thinking I should include that in my original post. I would not be expecting to use the internal speakers. I rarely do for this situation even with the CP300.
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So I am a long time (old) pro keyboardist, primarily piano player. I have gigged with a Yamaha CP300 for many years now and the previous versions of the CP300 for many years before that.
Maybe a dozen times a year I get asked to play a wedding ceremony and it is becoming tough for me hauling the CP300 around for that, as often I am then also moving locations for the cocktail hour.
So I am considering the Yamaha P125 or Casio PX S1000. I have read lots of reviews and listened to demos, but I'm not sure I can get my hands on them to demo for myself (at least for sure no one around me has the Casio).
So I'd like to ask... the first thing being are these professional enough keys for the job? I really only care about the piano sound and the action. Despite the hassle and weight of the CP300, I'd rather just use it if these are not really up for the job and I done't really feel I can pay much more than the $600 these are going for, for this purpose.
But if they are capable enough, whats the preference? I'm obviously a Yamaha guy and would just go with the P125, but the Casio seems to really be getting some good reviews and there are a couple of small things that make me lean that way... the audio input and the battery operation. Both could come in handy now and again..but certainly not deal breakers by any means.
I certainly appreciate any advice!
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BTW, LilyM; did you ever determine if you could make adjustments in the Leslie sim high speed setting or not?
Actually Guido got right back to me with suggestions to tweak the fast leslie. I'll find them and post as soon as I can find them. They made some difference for sure, but not enough really for me. In the end I kinda gave up and am still playing VB3 VI. Neither VB3 VII or Blue 3 blew me away enough to want to fork over the money to replace VB3 I. That and the fact that I just couldn't make up my mind which I liked better. I really wish I could demo B5.
I am considering however buying Amplitude Leslie, as there is one more day of sale price of $79. If I do, I will try the whole process anew...and let you know.
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