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My Nauilus 73 landed here on Thursday and I've now had a few days to get acquainted with it. All in all, it is what I expected for the price point I was able to get one at which was an offer I couldn't refuse price.
I do like the build quality, aluminum, internal power supply. The keys are as I expected, playable and expressive enough for a price point in the mid-to-upper-1000's and probably in line with FA-07 and Fantom-O7 comparisons. That means a nice step up from the Krome/Kross/FA-06 boards that have been in that space and not as rich and glorious as a Kronos, Fantom, Jupiter X etc. type of flagship keybed. No aftertouch. I do think that is limiting for me. I use it a lot and it's a big sacrifice. But it feels substantially metal. Not too heavy to pick up which was a pleasant suprise.
The buttons feel a bit cheap to me and the touchscreen is too small to really work on for long periods of time.
The setlist feature is cool. There are some use of the ARP functions to move through different scenes that overcomes some of the limitations of not having all of the Kronos controls. I think for gigging, between that and using a footswitch I can make it work and I can adjust my methods to work with the tool.
I do really like the Korg soundset from Kronos. It seems like it's pretty much there. Some of the synths are a little harsh sounding right out of the box and I need to spend time smoothing out some of the saws, brass, sweeps and leads that I use. I will get there. I'm really not a fan of the menu diving into the FX on the small screen but I can get it to do what I want eventually.
I will probably keep it. For whatever reason, there are very few really excellent condition Kronos 2 61's for sale on the used market now. And when I see them the sellers want about $500-$800 more than a used one should be at this point in time. So if you own one, they are pretty sought after and it might be a good time to sell one if you have your eye on something new to replace it. The sale price from Korg and the run up in prices on used mint Kronos 2 61s really widen the price difference between Nautilus and Kronos that tick the box for Nautilus in my "bang for the buck" decision.
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16 hours ago, MikeT156 said:
The buyer stole the vintage parts and then notified Ebay that the instrument didn't work and they sent it back. Ebay was on the side of the Buyer, who was a thief.
If you are selling something vintage and are concerned about parts being stolen, etc, you should document how your product is packed with photos, or take a video demo from your phone documenting that it's in working order for any dispute resolution. One of the thing that works in your favor over time is real positive feedback that a market dispute resolution person will acknowledge you are the more trusted person based on prior feedback and documenting your product thoroughly, including the serial numbers, etc.
The one thing the markets will help you with is determining what similar units may be selling for in similar condition as well.
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1 hour ago, ImproKeys said:
I am returning it - but mostly because of build quality issues (a few keys are not correctly aligned).
Thank you for sharing this. Would it be too much trouble to ask if you can post photos of your keys out of alignment to see? I also have a first batch Stage 4 HA 73 on order in the US and I had issues with an early release of the Kurzweil Forte 7 that I sent back and got another for issues with their variant of of the TP-40. I have never had issues with the keys on the Nord HA but I know others have and I'd like to see what yours looks like for awareness if that's ok.
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1 hour ago, Docbop said:
Probably more about clearing out all remaining Stage 3's in the pipeline so it be EOL'd by Nord.
Stage 4 pre-orders will start getting to customers in the US in the 2nd half of April.
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7 minutes ago, Stokely said:
What's irksome is that the GC is still selling some used Stages for more than the new NS3s (assuming there are any) are now going for. Um, guys?
That doesn't suprise me at all. Dealers get rebate directly from the manufacturer or distributor to sell their existing stock at a discount.
Used gear that has been traded in or returned doesn't apply and if they paid out a trade-in that is their cost on it. Eventually it will sell or get discounted until it does.
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I've bought and sold through KC Garage Sale and I find it enjoyable. The transactions usually involve talking to other members over the phone and asking/answering questions, and, in general, just getting to know some long time members here in real life and talk about music and instruments with like-minded people. It's not that unusual that I have gone to see other forum members play a gig when I travel for work to their city, or make connections in other formats like Facebook friending.
I find that as a buyer, I'm good with using PayPal to buy gear from another seller here on the forum. I will just ask the seller to send me an invoice and can also back the payment with a credit card. Between PayPal dispute resolution and buyer protection on a credit card, I have some paths of resolution in the completely unexpected case that I was being scammed in some way. (which has never happened here)
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I use Reverb a lot, both as a buyer and seller. As a seller, I find qualified buyers who know exactly what they are looking for and are prepared to pay the market value for what I'm selling, because they have already comparison shopped against new merchandise.
I think that placing a credit card on file is part of how you get paid faster as a seller, too. It means that you can prepay the shipping label at a very good discounted price and it is deducted from your payout, and you are cleared for funding as soon as the shipper scans it. What I like is that I get paid really quickly under the expectations that I have properly submitted the shipping dimensions and weight, and that the customer is receiving what they have ordered to the expectations of the listing and condition.
Not everybody does those things. Hence the need for a credit card on file. If a seller isn't being honest about the shipping dimensions, weight or condition of their item, then Reverb has to be able to recover the additional shipping costs or refund a buyer even after the money has been cashed out to you. I would much rather get paid fast. If UPS catches that I didn't properly weight my item, they should be able to collect the difference on a credit card, for instance.
For MikeT, I don't think you will be happy with any online market. The first time you sell, you have to establish yourself as a vendor and you won't be paid by Reverb for your first sale until the shipment is scanned as delivered or signed for by the customer who receives it. That's only on the first shipment, but if you have that in your mind like you stated in the past selling on eBay and not being agreeable for PayPal to hold your funds before they are released on the first sale, you will probably not be happy with any marketplace since connecting a credit card and bank account is how you ultimately get your money quickly. Once you do this a few times, they trust you to fund you before the customer receives it.
It's 2023 and we live in a subscription and e-commerce world where keeping credits cards on file are part of life. Whether you are buying things from Amazon on your phone, or you have subscriptions to Netflix and Hulu with a monthly auto pay, that's the risk we willingly take every day to enjoy the things in life that we want.
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3 minutes ago, KuruPrionz said:
Hmm... your title says "lightning, not lighting."
I'm a lower tier mod but I don't know how to fix that, maybe somebody higher up can do it if you ask?
Thank you. I fixed my typo from "Lightning" to "Lighting".
This is why I don't work at the International Space Station. I would type "launch" instead of "lunch".
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Here's a topic that doesn't come up a lot, but that I'm interested in what others are doing -- Lighting!
I play a lot of dance music in bars and restaurants that often has a makeshift stage/performance area that isn't well lit. I also play a lot of "hit and run" gigs with a basic setup and pack out, and so I'm not looking to assemble a truss to mount and set lights, or do the whole DMX rigging. What I think I am really looking for are good budget lighting solutions that are compact to carry, don't have a lot of electrical or sync wiring, and can work on the floor.
Maybe some combination of some colored wash lights on the floor, small tripod mounted bars, or LED sticks on the floor. I know Chauvet is a budget brand that is sold in a lot of music dealers in the sound & DJ department. I also see a pretty steady amount of deals from mobile DJs who bought gear and lighting and are selling used to get rid of gear.
Since other band members do more in the PA, mixer and sound contribution, I was thinking about volunteering to spruce of our lightning some more. Has anyone else here done the same? I was thinking about a mention that Chuck Hollis made some time back about the APE Labs cans and wanted to go a little deeper on more suggestions from the forum crowd.
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9 minutes ago, AnotherScott said:
Even people using control surfaces as mixers benefit from 8 track faders plus a master. There have been plenty of "9 slider" controllers that were not organ oriented (e.g. you can't necessarily even set them to work in "reverse" direction).
Good point! True there. That's how it works on the Fantom as the 9th drawbar.
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48 minutes ago, AnotherScott said:
I was kind of flabbergasted when they went from 9 sliders in the original NK to just 8 in the NK2.
Why would you be flabbergasted? Hammond organ emulation has been a declining priority for multi-use keyboards and studio production over many decades. A more common sense approach is to have an even number of controls because of the way that DAWs and workstations work.
This particular forum is one that seems to skew towards Hammond emulation being in the top 3 priorities of keyboard requirements, but I think the market research of keyboard buyers, it averages out to be much, much lower of a priority or criteria for most buyers.
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1 hour ago, timwat said:
Didn't Nord Lead 3 move to encoders?
Im just happy to see "Nord Lead" as a real legit answer to a question where it's not a running joke on this forum. lol
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35 minutes ago, Radagast said:
I live in the U.S. but I agree. What’s up with that?Korg USA is a different company than Korg, Inc. in Japan. Korg USA is a distribution and support company for Korg products in the US, and some other products for US/Canada. Not to get into the semantics, but Korg USA is not a subsidiary of Korg corporation in Japan.
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32 minutes ago, mobi said:
Just wait till NAMM....
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1 hour ago, EB5AGV said:
That way you have always access to mature technology
That way you have always access to discontinued technology.There. I fixed it for you.
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I think I'm going with the 73 instead of the 61. I may regret it on really tight stages or the extra size of carrying it, but it's probably more flexible in the end.
The second part of the original thread was if something new is coming out. I don't think the mythical Kronos 3 or Kronos category replacement, grandson of OASYS or whatever you envision it to be with a next generation platform and surface controls is going to be it.
What I more likely expect from Korg when they clear out some US inventory that is slow moving is they seem to repackage the product with a new paint colors on the metal chassis and some cosmetic changes (i.e. sunburst edition, titanium edition, all the colors and reverse keys packages on the SV1, etc.)
Updating the SSD to a larger capacity is pretty minimal effort, and they update the soundset of the boot to include one or more Korg sound libraries that you have to currently buy separately on the Korg store. Then the price goes back up to what it was before the sale.
So I predict a Nautilus EX or Special Edition type of product that is otherwise the same product and they will go through a couple rounds of this to extend its lifecyle.
I know we look at that as a cop-out for not innovating, but some of those editions they've done with colors for the Kronos, SV1, etc. do look great on stage if design aesthetics matter.
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Viscount Legend Live owner here. It's the one I picked out of a lot of criteria. There were more Mojo owners here on this forum than Viscount owners when I bought it, very early as they were available. I have mine dialed in the way I like it and also use the T&F in the FX loop. It's very editable in parameters, leslie sim is excellent, full sets of drawbars, leslie out if you want that.
Advantages as others say of Mojo are the springs on the Fatar keybed (you could feasibly make this mod to a Viscount, Nord etc. as already stated here). The C/V on the Mojo is excellent.
I thought the XK5 is very nice... believe it or not, with all it does well, I didn't really like the Leslie sim on the XK5 as much, that's just me. But I did notice when it came out that it was largely being demo'd on YouTube with a rotating leslie and not the internal sim, IIRC.
At the end of the day, get the one you want. There's a wide variety of what a "real tonewheel" Hammond sounds like across age, condition, features and you can make most of these do what you want. Your audience, your fellow musicians on the bandstage, won't really care or notice, so it's really your own happiness that matters in picking a dedicated organ clone.
There isn't really a place to go and try them all out side-by-side and have a bake-off so you just need to pick the one you like and either keep it or send it back for another try.
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I also think there is a distinction between a manufacturer putting a pricing decision on products that are largely available (i.e. KorgUSA reducing the price of an item to potentially clear stock or replace with a newer model) vs. a particular retailer like Sweetwater, Guitar Center or Kraft Music participating in the same promotion as everyone else is.
There have been similar threads, for instance, about the Nord Stage 3 lineup being reduced in prices in preparation for the Stage 4 coming. A dealer may work out their own package or discount with a customer, but the general topic is that there is a US based price reduction on a keyboard which is widely looked at among the forum membership.
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I have gigged with SWAM saxes controlled by a Nord Stage 3 Compact, so similar sentiments to Chuck above.
I have Alto and Tenor saxes, trumpet and flute apps.
I think sonically they work well in a rock band context, I'm just not thrilled to use an iPad in a setup that already has two boards, so it was a nice trial, but not necessarily worth the effort to make it my standard setup.
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I guess it's all relative, too. My teenage years were in the 80's and my 20's were in the 90's. The era of owning a Rhodes, Hammond, Clav, Mellotron and MiniMoog and taking that out was before my time and I didn't really dig into mastering any of those vintage sound palettes until the 2000's started and I started to have disposable income to buy vintage instruments and amps. By that point, I was married, in graduate school and starting a family, so went from gigging 4-5 nights a week to about 2. Acquiring vintage instruments was a big passion for me 10-15 years and starting around 2017 I just lost the interest, sold those things off to better homes, and moved to all current generation technologies and workflows.
I agree with ProfD, that for the music I do, any pro level keyboard with a wide jack-of-all-trades sound palette can be functional for the sounds that I need for the music I do. Everything else is creature comforts and player experience. That being said, I'm still constantly buying and selling gear and haven't yet outgrown the excitement of finding a great deal or unboxing the latest and greatest.
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12 minutes ago, ProfD said:
With most modern KBs, a facsimile of popular sounds from the past to present is in there like Prego...every sound all at once. 😁😎
And yet... only one manufacturer gives you the "Jazz Scat" patch.... 🙂
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20 minutes ago, Doerfler said:
You are asking us? Does it cost more money? If yes, then do it.
Yes, that's in the category of "do I want more keys or less?" with this group where I should know the answer.
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I ordered the 61 but it won’t ship for a couple days and I’m wondering if I should switch the order to a 73.
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3 minutes ago, AnotherScott said:
I wonder if they're the same keys as on the Kronos LS...?
I thought they were newly created for Nautilus. Woody would know.
New Piano Sample for KeyScape
in The Keyboard Corner
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There seems to be a trend of felt pianos over recent years. Noire, Nord Felt Upright, Spitfire Originals felt piano, Keyscape. Seems to be a lot of demand for it.