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The partying hasn't stopped for the Patriots.
https://deadspin.com/patriots-owner-bob-kraft-charged-with-soliciting-prosti-1832807440
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I think that's absolutely right: it may not be easy to track down a used RD-64, at least one that hasn't been too abused (or else why would they sell it!).
Reasonable price. Listed as mint. Seller seems OK.
https://reverb.com/item/18769638-roland-rd-64-black
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AFAICT, the EPs are the same as whats in the Montage/MODX. They sound good, but not world-beating like the CFX and Imperial samples.
Oh, i thought the EPs are new samples...? And from what i hear in the demos, they sound different... (?)
I didn't do an in-depth side-by-side comparison, but they sounded and felt very similar to my MODX.
Since the CP-1, Yamaha has been using, for the most part, a naming of the Rhodes using dates. For example, the CP-1 included:
71Rd I
73Rd I
75Rd I
78Rd II
Dyno
AFAIK, these are all present in the CP-5 and CP-4
The Montage/MODX has all the original "small" sampled Rhodes from the Motif/S90 series PLUS two named RD Soft (five velocities) and RD Hard (four velocities) respectively. In addition, there are two sampled versions, apparently, of the CP-1/4/5 SCM Rhodes named Rd73 and Rd78. My ear tells me Rd73 and Rd78 are possibly re-samples of a CP-1 as you can hear some of the SCM elements in the lowest velocities that don't sound like an actual Rhodes but more like a re-sampling. I certainly could be wrong. Regardless, they sound very familiar to the CP-1/4/5.
The new CP88/CP73 only list three: Rd78, Rd75, Rd73. As these are purportedly sampled, I think they might be close to those sampled versions on the Montage/MODX.
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A couple of things I dont get:
1 - Update for new sounds is going to be September 2019
2 - CP73 action is designed to be closer to playing an electric piano.
1 - well that is a long time to wait. Nord are constantly adding to their library. Putting a date on it seems strange and why is it so far in the future?
https://usa.yamaha.com/products/music_production/synthesizers/cp88_73/update.html#product-tabs
2 - which EP are we talking about. My EP200a has a lovely action - fast and light. My Rhodes suitcase is the complete opposite - heavy and sluggish. Maybe they mean the CP70/80?
Neither the Rhodes nor Wurly 200A utilize key weights (I'm positive on the Rhodes and nearly positive on the Wurly but mine isn't set up at the moment). The keys are just wood, so they will have uniform weight throughout. The hammers of the Rhodes (neoprene, not Sparkletop felt) are virtually all the same and there's no appreciable mass difference. The 200a does use somewhat more massive felt in the bass vs. treble but I don't think it makes much of a difference in the weighted feel of the keys. The dampers on both pianos are uniform across all keys, as I recall. So, there's a big difference between these actions and an acoustic piano. They are much more balanced and I believe the CP73 is going to incorporate the balanced action as found in the Montage 8. Also, the bounce you find with the Rhodes is the result of the lack of back check, an important part of an acoustic piano action.
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In related news, I've decided to postpone my upgrade to Komplete 12 due to needing more time.
Does look nice.
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Speaking of Nord comparisons, do these boards have that super-advanced feature that lets you put the split point anywhere you want?
My god, what kind of miracles do you expect from these companies?
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Somebody mentioned earlier that Yamaha dropped SCM modelling, but CP88 EP's sound to me exactly like CP4, which are SCM.
The EPs on the Montage/MODX sound VERY similar to the CP1/5/4 to me (and are named similarly), and those are sampled. My thought is they sampled a CP-1 or derived the samples from the original sampling/recordings which became the SCM EPs.
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They are in fact, using the same action as a Montage 8 in the 73. I've played both of them.. I prefer the 88, though I wish it had escapement.
Does the action have a heavier feel on the 88? I have the Montage 8 and wish it were heavier.
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Looks very nice. I like the CS80 colored tab switches! More detailed information can be found here:
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A few observations about the Montage/MODX after I've been programming for the last couple of months.
Let me compare it with the Kronos, which I know well. Talking now about working within the Program structure. With the Kronos, everything is pretty much at max. The amp section, by default, is maxed. So too are the output(s) of the filter(s). If you use an EQ, there is an option to lower the output gain (in the case where you raise a band into distortion) but no way to raise it above 0db. In fact, the Kronos has so few options for raising gain that often your only recourse is to employ the compressor trick where you insert a compressor, set the ratio to 1:1 and then raise the output gain. It's relatively hard to drive the Kronos into distortion though it can be done with the amp sims, for example.
In contrast, the Montage/MODX offers many opportunities to increase gain within the Performance.
Within the Element (I'll leave out the obvious things like amp gain):
- The output of the filter is 230 by default but can be increased to 255.
- The output of the element (Element EQ) can be boosted by 6/12/18db.
In the Common section for the Part:
- The Output level (post-EQ) can be raised by as much as 12db.
- Many FXs allow the boosting of gain. For example, the VCM EQ 501 allows +/-12db.
You, of course, have the overall volume of the Performance and this could very well need to be lowered from 127 if the internal output stages of the Elements/Parts are boosted too much. In short, Yamaha provides many places where gain can be increased and it becomes much more of a balancing act than with keyboards like the Kronos. I personally welcome it, though it's a bit more work.
Regarding the +6/12db boost at the Main Outputs, you can balance that with the setting at Utility-->Settings-->Sound-->Volume. So if you're getting distortion at +6db, try lowing that volume setting a bit. It can get you somewhere in between 0 and +6db. I agree that the APs are quite hot and kind of throw off the balance of the other instruments. Easier to pull them down a bit than to try to bring everything else up.
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Reminds me A LOT of Serum. The presets don't knock me out like Serum, but I do like some of what I've heard, in particular, the tails on the some of the pads. Nicely programmed. At $69 I'll probably do it. Actually glad it's not another vintage recreation.
The UI is VERY good, IMO. The visuals look great and provide very useful real-time information. A modern, clean look from the king of skeuomorphism.
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You can hear a Wurly EP throughout in this isolated mix.
[video:youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8VaV6cEnPA
Man, that's nice. I wish they had that kind of stuff when I was growing up.
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An update on the looping issue. I got a response back from Melas stating the Motif/Montage have an issue that if a WAV contains any audio after the loop, this can create audible artifacts. So I went through, re-edited everything, made sure there is nothing after the loop both in Wavelab and in the Melas Waveform Editor and I'm still getting artifacts that don't show up when the WAVs are played back on the computer or when saved as an X7U in SampleRobot. So something else is amiss. I've spent far too much time on this issue. SampleRobot can function as a tool to bring in WAVs, create waveforms (Yamaha-speak for multi-samples) and then export those as an X7U. But it's not as versatile for doing that as is the Melas Editor. But at least the results are good.
Here's an example of the issue:
Looping Issue: 1st SampleRobot - 2nd Melas Editor
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FYI, this issue has been fixed in the latest release of the Montage Waveform Editor.
http://www.jmelas.gr/montage/wave.php
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Glad someone is making this option available for players doing solo or light combo gigs. Designed to work with the Sequenz stands but can be used standalone or placed on top a slab DP (6" depth).
https://sequenzmusicgear.com/en/products/lineup5/#sonicbar
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[...] I think the screen is fine, but I frequently get double-strikes most noticeably when using the virtual keyboard. Never had this issue with the Kronos.
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That might be related to touch screen calibration - or not.
See:
https://www.yamahasynth.com/forum/montage-touch-screen-doubling-my-touch
https://www.yamahasynth.com/forum/touchscreen-debouncing-problem-still-in-os-2-0
Thanks. I tried the suggestions and it seemed to help some, but did not completely alleviate the problem for me.
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You are one helluva programmer and you always get much respect from me as always but going with the Montage makes much more sense.
Looking forward to hearing the samples that you bring to Yamaha!
Thanks Benny.
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Why did you get rid of the MODX? I always respect your opinions but I tried the Montage and the MODX side by side and to my ears the Montage was much better hands down. I know you were sold on the MODX at first what changed your mind just curious?
I'm working on bringing some of my sample libraries to Yamaha. With the MODX, I can't create products for the Montage. With the Montage, I can do both. My initial plan was to buy the MODX and rent a Montage to keep costs down, but I decided to go the Montage route in the end.
I do like and frequently use the additional buttons on the right to select parts/elements. I could do this on the screen, but the buttons make the process quicker. I use these all the time. I also justified it by the idea that the FM polyphony on the Montage makes my TX816 redundant. It is infinitely easier to deal with. The more limited polyphony on the MODX prohibits it from being a complete TX816 replacement. Also, based purely on the specs I didn't think the Montage would fit on my main studio desk (an Argosy console) but after renting it, it turns out it does fit.
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The screen reminded me of my Krome's screen rather than the Montage screen in feel.
I have both and to me the MODX' display feels better than the Krome's.
I believe it's the same screen on the Montage and MODX. I had a MODX for a short while and now have a Montage. I think the screen is fine, but I frequently get double-strikes most noticeably when using the virtual keyboard. Never had this issue with the Kronos.
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If you've ever pulled out the action from something like a Rhodes/Roland MK-80, you get a sense of how much the action itself contributes to the total weight of those instruments. The individual key action weights add up quickly. But, judging from the feel of these physically heavier actions, I get a sense that the depressing and return of a key is close to a pure gravity play vs. the lighter actions which use other means, e.g. springs, to simulate the resistance of gravity and that the smaller, lighter weights play less of a role.
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how can I change or add effects on live performances on modx 7
and can I use the assign knobs(4) for effects
Thanks
Im new at this....as you can tell
you have effects at both Performance level and each Part. Not at my board right now - i'd look at the Owner manual or Ref Manual. You need to edit at the level you want to change, Effects will be one of the buttons you can select to dive into that section.
Setting up FXs on the Montage/MODX ain't like a Nord so it requires some work. Yes the knobs can be used to control the FXs.
Probably the best thing is for you to provide an example of a performance you want to change/add the FXs to and then people can help out on the specifics.
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An update on the looping issue. I got a response back from Melas stating the Motif/Montage have an issue that if a WAV contains any audio after the loop, this can create audible artifacts. So I went through, re-edited everything, made sure there is nothing after the loop both in Wavelab and in the Melas Waveform Editor and I'm still getting artifacts that don't show up when the WAVs are played back on the computer or when saved as an X7U in SampleRobot. So something else is amiss. I've spent far too much time on this issue. SampleRobot can function as a tool to bring in WAVs, create waveforms (Yamaha-speak for multi-samples) and then export those as an X7U. But it's not as versatile for doing that as is the Melas Editor. But at least the results are good.
Here's an example of the issue:
Looping Issue: 1st SampleRobot - 2nd Melas Editor
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.........Perhaps you can edit an individual voice range, I don't have a MODX (yet) to know. This kind of editing is something very common to Mainstagers. It would seem that there must be a way to adjust range. It's pretty necessary - programming splits, for instance.
Yes indeed you can. You can set all these things inside the performance itself. You can set any ranges you like, pitch it anyway you like, and all this is totally separate from the "Global" settings.
When/if Yamaha decide to allow the Octave buttons to blink/light for chromatic transpose like they do for Octave changes, then I'll probs just go back to dynamic transposing. Until then if a transpose is needed I do it IN the performance.
Hope that helps ??
A simpler, more elegant solution would be for Yamaha to provide transposition offsets in LIVE SET, similar to the Kronos. You keep the original Performance data the same. Provide an indicator -1 or +12 in the LIVE SET slot for that Performance.
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FYI, there are issues when loading looped files created using either Translator or the Melas Waveform Editor. Both introduce audible artifacts, likely an issue related to incorrect file size or incorrect loop markers. As you cannot get down to the sample level on the Montage/MODX and verify, it's hazy as to what exactly is going on. Chicken Systems has verified the issue and a fix is planned for the next release of Translator expected mid-October. I haven't heard back from Melas. Sample Robot does not have this issue. Its loops are clean.
BTW, I'm not saying that both Translator and the Melas Waveform Editor have the exact issue, only that neither product's files loop properly in the Montage, according to my findings.
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I'm renting a Montage 8 to do some initial programming and conversions. I think I'm going to have to go with the MODX8 ultimately as the Montage doesn't fit on my main desk.
I was thrilled to find out, after some experimentation, I can get the release samples completely under control. In fact, this is the best I've been able to find with any hardware sampler.
Here's a Wurly 200a example. You should be able to hear the funky "bending" of the notes on release, which IMO, make all the difference in the world with Rhodes, Wurlies, etc. It's a bigger part of the sound than you would think and is a major reason digital hardware emulations of these electro-mechanical keyboards sound unrealistic, again IMO.
Purgatory Creek Soundware 200a - Montage
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